Young Earth/Old Earth

[Inertia]

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

That's mostly correct. The word translated as 'heaven' is from the King James translators and this is incorrect. It has a plural meaning and it is properly translated in English as 'heavens'. This is easy to recognize in Hebrew ( הַשָּׁמַיִם ) due to the ( יִם ) on the left side of the word. The NKJV and many other translations also adopted the plural meaning.

It is a brief description of the initial creation event that focuses on the creation of the universe as well as Earth. Additional detail is found in other creation passages in the bible.

In Genesis 1:2 a paradigm shift occurs where the primary focus is on a water-covered Earth or Eretz in Hebrew ( אָרֶץ ).

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Indeed.

Genesis 2:1 "The heavens and the earth were completed with everything that was in them. By the seventh day, God finished the work that he had been doing, and he ceased on the seventh day all the work that he had been doing. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he ceased all the work that he had been doing in creation." (NET)

This passage summarizes all of God's work.

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[TibiasDad]

I have no problem with revealed.

Except God said “Light Be!”, which is a creative, not revelatory, command! This is a creative scenario not a purely revelatory statement.

Sticking with the bible....the Big Bang didn't happen. Yes, God spread out the universe but didn't use the BB. This is evidence as the earth pre-daying the stars.

The Bible’s expression needs to be interpreted as a poetic rendering, not a literal scientific statement. The Bible doesn’t say “Big Bang” but the BIg Bang is not contrary to the biblical description either!


Doug

 

[CrowCross]

Except God said “Light Be!”, which is a creative, not revelatory, command! This is a creative scenario not a purely revelatory statement.

As I said, I have no problem with God introducing his shekinah glory...or even creating that glory to spread through the new dimension he was creating.

I have also said the light could be the creation of angels.

The Bible’s expression needs to be interpreted as a poetic rendering, not a literal scientific statement. The Bible doesn’t say “Big Bang” but the BIg Bang is not contrary to the biblical description either!


Doug

If this is poetic in the sense that it explains some sort of allegory then what of the creation of man from the dust then Eve from Adams rib? Is that now poetic?

The BB theory is contrary to what the bible says as the earth was created prior to the stars.

 

[Carbon]

Though I believe the earth is the center...but id not why would it matter?

If you really want to get into it you can go here.
Inertia would enjoy it.

I believe inertia would agree with me that the earth is not in the center of the universe. That’s been proven.

 

[CrowCross]

I believe inertia would agree with me that the earth is not in the center of the universe. That’s been proven.

Really????

 

[David1701]

Yes, Jesus was fully God and fully man.

And is, and ever more shall be!

 

[CrowCross]

And is, and ever more shall be!

10-4

 

[GeneZ]

Without doubt, but he didn’t created it, it was revealed. Only that which is temporal need be created. Otherwise, Gen 1:3 is not a creative event.

As an “Old-Earther”, the Big Bang would account for the creation of physical/temporal light, as well as the beginning of “matter”.

Doug

If that were so? How did we get "day and night" if that were the case?

After such an explosion it would have to be an all encompassing, sustained, light after such an gigantic explosion..
Add to that? It would not be able to be switched on and off, like we see for the first three days and nights in Genesis.

After the beginning and the heaven and earth were created, the prehistoric world was created. Angels were given dominion over that world like Adam over the created world he was placed into.

Angels were the first rational creatures to be given dominion over animals - their own animals. Dinosaurs.

 

[David1701]

If that were so? How did we get "day and night" if that were the case?

After such an explosion it would have to be an all encompassing, sustained, light after such an gigantic explosion..
Add to that? It would not be able to be switched on and off, like we see for the first three days and nights in Genesis.

After the beginning and the heaven and earth were created, the prehistoric world was created. Angels were given dominion over that world like Adam over the created world he was placed into.

Angels were the first rational creatures to be given dominion over animals - their own animals. Dinosaurs.

Where does the Bible say that:

1) Angels were given dominion over animals?

2) The animals over which angels, allegedly, were given dominion, were dinosaurs?

(Hint: it doesn't)

 

[Carbon]

After the beginning and the heaven and earth were created, the prehistoric world was created. Angels were given dominion over that world like Adam over the created world he was placed into.

Angels were the first rational creatures to be given dominion over animals - their own animals. Dinosaurs.

Not sure where you get this from?

 

[GeneZ]

Where does the Bible say that:

1) Angels were given dominion over animals?

2) The animals over which angels, allegedly, were given dominion, were dinosaurs?

(Hint: it doesn't)

Hint......

Its not supposed to!

God wants to become advanced through more and more knowledge and to grow up in our ability to think with the Word of God!

​

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more
and more in knowledge and depth of insight."

Philippians 1:9​

Insight is not something Christians gain by having everything in Scripture being spelled out for us in black and white...

Its one reason why God left so many things unanswered in how it is written.
For we must grow in grace and knowledge before the Holy Spirit will lead us
into seeing insights. In part. its to reveal before the angels how far we have advanced in our maturity in Christ.

"Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this."
2 Timothy 2:7​

grace and peace ............

 

[GeneZ]

Not sure where you get this from?

Fossil evidence - added to Jeremiah's prophesy against the destruction of their land by using the same Hebrew we find in Genesis 1:2.
The Hebrew does not mean "empty and void." It means chaos and utter destruction with an eerie sense of emptiness.

Here is Jeremiah citing Genesis 1:2's Hebrew words...


Jeremiah 4:23 -

I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone."

Read all of Jeremiah 4. You should see what utter destruction was coming their way!
The apostate Jews had been throwing their children into fire for added excitement during
outdoors sex rituals they had turned to!

To put it mildly.. that was reason why God was furious and not playing games with them.

But... for the sake of the remnant living among the people?
Jeremiah had to modify the actual intent of Genesis 1:2, by adding verse 4:27.

Jeremiah 4:27 -

This is what the Lord says:​

​

“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."​

Added it, because those Jews know natively and spoke Hebrew.
They understood the utter destruction spoken of that is to be found in Genesis 1:2.

Jeremiah added 4:27 because in Genesis 1:2 the previous earth was in a state of utter chaos and destruction
as the Hebrew was declaring. We get watered down translations at times. Bible scholars are not all equal.

Spiritual warfare tries to censor what we are supposed to know!
But, the Spirit who is guiding us into all truth, will prevail for those who love Him.

grace and peace ............

 

[CrowCross]

Where does the Bible say that:

1) Angels were given dominion over animals?

2) The animals over which angels, allegedly, were given dominion, were dinosaurs?

(Hint: it doesn't)

I was wondering, were the dinosaurs wiped out in the first or second flood? Considering there was no first flood that destroyed the earth the pre-Adamic earth I must say the second flood of Noahs time did in the dino's....except for those Dino's that walked off of the ark.

 

[David1701]

Hint......

Its not supposed to!

God wants to become advanced through more and more knowledge and to grow up in our ability to think with the Word of God!

​

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more
and more in knowledge and depth of insight."

Philippians 1:9​

Insight is not something Christians gain by having everything in Scripture being spelled out for us in black and white...

Its one reason why God left so many things unanswered in how it is written.
For we must grow in grace and knowledge before the Holy Spirit will lead us
into seeing insights. In part. its to reveal before the angels how far we have advanced in our maturity in Christ.

"Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this."
2 Timothy 2:7​

grace and peace ............

Oh boy!

Extra-biblical doctrine is not Christian. Don't confuse "insight" with imagination.

 

[David1701]

I was wondering, were the dinosaurs wiped out in the first or second flood? Considering there was no first flood that destroyed the earth the pre-Adamic earth I must say the second flood of Noahs time did in the dino's....except for those Dino's that walked off of the ark.

There was only one global Flood - Noah's Flood; and, the Earth was only "pre-Adamic" for 5 days.

The dinosaurs were not wiped out by the Flood. The ones that came off the ark died out after that.

 

[GeneZ]

Oh boy!

Extra-biblical doctrine is not Christian. Don't confuse "insight" with imagination.

Can you please give us all insight into what Paul meant by 'insight?'

 

[David1701]

Can you please give us all insight into what Paul meant by 'insight?'

I was referring to what YOU meant by "insight".

 

[ChristB4us]

There is something specific God rested from. Something that an English translation will typically not allow us to see.

Genesis 2:1-3, has a Hebrew word with a specific meaning.
A meaning which gets buried in a typical English translation.

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. ​

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so ​

on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the ​

seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work ​

of creating that he had done."​

The Hebrew word for 'creating' is Bara.
Only God can have this word attributed to Himself in relation to creating something.

God rested from 'bara.' Which means?

​

"In the beginning God created [out from nothing] the heavens and the earth."​

Even on the Sabbath day God creates the circumstances for each day we have.
But, each day is something he makes out from something already in existence. Its not 'bara.'

God never stops creating those circumstances for our lives.
Genesis 2 says, He rested from "bara."

But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now ​

[He has never ceased working], and I too am working.” John 5:17​

grace and peace .................

@Carbon & @TibiasDad & @Inertia

And so God created everything out of nothing and yet you refuse to see the following verses to Genesis 1:1 as testifying to how He did that for why He rested on the seventh day for all His work in creating?

 

[CrowCross]

@Carbon & @TibiasDad & @Inertia

And so God created everything out of nothing and yet you refuse to see the following verses to Genesis 1:1 as testifying to how He did that for why He rested on the seventh day for all His work in creating?

It appears that the original element was created ex-nihlo...H2O....From that water God made "dirt"...and from the dirt God made Adam..and from Adams rib (side) God made Eve.

 

[GeneZ]

I was referring to what YOU meant by "insight".

It requires having enough learning of accurate doctrine that is stored in your spirit, for the Holy Spirit guide your heart in the correlation of truth as to see a solution to an unanswered question.

It also lands you in a battle field where those who lack the needed teachings, rather than ask how you got there, will assume and accuse you that you simply imagine what you think.



Philippians 1:9

(notice what it says insight requires

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight."​

There is a lot more to learn for many of us. Myself included.