Will we know others in heaven as we knew them on earth? Isaiah 65:17

[atpollard]

Remembrance of people can be the cause of love, but one can have his memories taken away and replaced with new thoughts that could be the cause of love.

Isn't that the ZOMBIE ELECT that Arminians accuse Irresistible Grace of creating? God will take away EVERYTHING of who you are and make you "Stepford Wife" happy ... pass the SOMA.

Spoiler

Soma is a fictional drug in Aldous Huxley's 1932 dystopian sci-fi novel Brave New World. In the novel, soma is an "opiate of the masses" that replaces religion and alcohol in a peaceful, but immoral, high-tech society far in the future. Soma, a narcotic tranquilizer in tablet and vapor form, is regularly taken by all members of society in order to produce feelings of euphoric happiness. Soma, however, is harmful or even deadly when taken in large amounts. In Brave New World, the mother of John the Savage died after consuming too much soma. Inspired by Huxley's trip to India in the mid-1920s, is based on the historical soma drink, used in Hindu rituals to induce a hallucinogenic state. Besides soma, Huxley also incorporated other ideas based on Indian culture into the book, such as the caste system used in the fictional society of the World-State.

The idea of soma has become well-known in popular culture, and it has been compared to later real-life drugs like Valium. The name has become representative of modern society's dependence on prescription drugs.

 

[atpollard]

Aside: I haven't seen you for a while.

Thanks. Yeah, Christian sites drive me nuts ... so I take long mental health breaks to watch "The Chosen" or "Robin Hood" (either Errol Flynn or the Disney Fox and Bear version)

 

[fastfredy0]

Isn't that the ZOMBIE ELECT that Arminians accuse Irresistible Grace of creating?

I've never heard the term before. Hmmm .... we all die and come back to life with a new body so that semi fits the ZOMBIE idea.

God will take away EVERYTHING of who you are and make you "Stepford Wife" happy ... pass the SOMA.

We definitely are going to be changed. He's going to take away the 'sin nature'. Might not be much of me left.

 

[fastfredy0]

Thanks. Yeah, Christian sites drive me nuts ... so I take long mental health brakes

... but we need your wisdom!!!

 

[atpollard]

I've never heard the term before. Hmmm .... we all die and come back to life with a new body so that semi fits the ZOMBIE idea.

They like the term ROBOTS.

"If we don't have LIBERTINE FREE WILL to control what God is allowed to do, then God is creating a bunch of mindless ROBOTS or PUPPETS (including the reprobates) ... and they could NEVER love a God like that!"

[Did that sound more familiar?]

 

[fastfredy0]

hey like the term ROBOTS.

Yes, I am familiar with that. My response is that Arminians see God as a robot in regards to salvation as God must respond to what arminians self determine.

 

[makesends]

atpollard said:
[Rev 6:9-11 NASB20]

applicable verse IMO ... seems they have some memory, at least for a while

There are several verses in Rev that imply time passage, even one mentioning "for about the space of half an hour". The problem is that the whole context seems very symbolic, so it is hard to know just what is meant. Furthermore, the Bible seems replete with anthropomorphisms, not only as they apply to God's person and attributes, but concerning things that otherwise are simply beyond our ken.

I know you weren't referring to the time passage question, but the notion of "memory". My point is that what we think of as memory may well be the knowledge of simply fact. I don't think God forgets, as we understand it. After all, all fact was "in his mind" from the beginning (yes, I know that is an anthropomorphism too --maybe it would be more accurate to say, all fact was his facts from the beginning). All that happened is swallowed up into the far more substantial reality of heaven, and none of it missing, I think.

 

[fastfredy0]

The problem is that the whole context seems very symbolic, so it is hard to know just what is meant. Furthermore, the Bible seems replete with anthropomorphisms, not only as they apply to God's person and attributes, but concerning things that otherwise are simply beyond our ken.

AMEN!!!
I wish revelation was more to the point. You have Jesus saying He speaks in parables so people won't understand which is counter-intuitive to the word 'revelation'. I was just reading Revelation. It is awe inspiring, but figuring out a time line and so many statement like "looked like a grasshopper and shot whatever from its tail" leave you wish more questions than you started out with.

I don't think God forgets, as we understand it.

Definitely, yet He uses anthropomorhisms that suggest He does. Because of the contradiction, we call it an anthropomorhism.

We better not say too much on the subject as we might be hit by lightning or get a talking to like Job when he asked too many questions.