THE ANGELS THAT SINNED

[donadams]

No, the giants were a result of the union between the angelic sons of God and daughters of men. Here it is in the LXX,which shows that the giants did not precede those forbidden unions between angels and human women.

"Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, THOSE were the giants of old, the men of renown." The word "THOSE" refers back to the giants that were upon the earth in those days, explaining just how that phenomenon had occurred.

What does “giants of old” mean?

How long was adam in the garden before the fall?

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[CrowCross]

Not in the nature of angels to marry or have offspring

In heaven? What about after they left their first estate? Can 2 male angels have offspring?

And the giants were already in the land before the offspring Gen 6:4
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No they wern't....but you say they were, so, where did they come from?

 

[CrowCross]

Already there before the offspring!

Chapter and verse please.

 

[3 Resurrections]

What does “giants of old” mean?

That is spoken from the perspective of the writer of Genesis. Compared to the author's time when Genesis was being written, it would have been "of old" when those angels had fallen into this particular sin. It's the way we talk today when a senior citizen says, "Back in the old days when I was a kid..."

How long was adam in the garden before the fall?

This is a separate issue, but I believe Adam and Eve lived in the garden before the Fall maybe about 36 plus years. Because that was the age Christ was when He was crucified. Adam was the example of all humanity as sinners who descended from him, in the same way that Christ was the righteous head of all those which He represented. The age Adam was when all the human race was plunged into death by his disobedience, I believe was the same age as Christ Jesus at His crucifixion, by whose obedience many were made righteous and given eternal life.

 

[Rella]

All the fallen angels are now dead. God killed Satan and destroyed the entire Satanic realm back in AD 70. Yes, pride had much to do with the different sins (plural) which the third of the righteous angels committed, causing their fallen condition. One of those sins was in taking human women to sire hybrid sons, since all angels in scripture are presented as male, with no way to propagate their own species among themselves.

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WHERE specifically do you read that all the fallen angels are now dead? Including Satan???
Rev 12
9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole [a]world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,
“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even [b]when faced with death.

Surly you are not going to drag Jude 1:6 as your proof of mentioning AD70?

6 And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

"eternal restraints"............................

Not according to Peter, who backs up Jude...

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)

AD70 was not that time.... It is yet to be.

 

[Rella]

That is spoken from the perspective of the writer of Genesis. Compared to the author's time when Genesis was being written, it would have been "of old" when those angels had fallen into this particular sin. It's the way we talk today when a senior citizen says, "Back in the old days when I was a kid..."

This is a separate issue, but I believe Adam and Eve lived in the garden before the Fall maybe about 36 plus years.

Because that was the age Christ was when He was crucified. Adam was the example of all humanity as sinners who descended from him, in the same way that Christ was the righteous head of all those which He represented. The age Adam was when all the human race was plunged into death by his disobedience, I believe was the same age as Christ Jesus at His crucifixion, by whose obedience many were made righteous and given eternal life.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The "Earth" in scripture is very, very often referring specifically to the LAND of ISRAEL - the "promised land", and not to the globe at large. To a Jew, the land of Israel was their inheritance. Everything beyond those boundaries was a separate, outside category for them.

No, Isaiah is referring to the earth.
It's not a metaphor to turn the earth upside down as referring to the local area.

We even have God through Jeremiah 22:29 speaking to the land of Israel as if it were an animate thing: "Oh Earth, Earth, Earth, hear the word of the Lord..." This was a prophecy on that occasion spoken specifically to Judah.

Sure, but Isaiah was speaking of the earth.

We have to be very careful when reading prophecies directed to "the earth" that we are not accidentally imposing a condition upon the entire world and its inhabitants, when it very well could be only the land of Israel that was the focus.

YOU have to be careful. If it says earth, it means earth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Matt 4 tempted by satan in the wilderness?

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

How can an adjective be a noun?
Besides, if you take Satan as Lucifer the angel, well, the angels that sinned are all locked up.
You can't make an adjective a noun when the Holy Spirit wants it to be an adjective.

 

[3 Resurrections]

WHERE specifically do you read that all the fallen angels are now dead? Including Satan???

I have mentioned that I will try to put up a separate post with the scriptures related to the destruction of the Satanic realm in AD 70. It would detract from the original theme of this post, I'm thinking.

 

[3 Resurrections]

YOU have to be careful. If it says earth, it means earth.

The "earth" does not necessarily mean scripture is speaking of the entire planet. In the original languages, there are distinctions to be made between the land of Israel, the habitable world and the cosmos. In the context of Isaiah 24:1, it is the land of Israel under consideration. That is why it mentions "priests".

 

[jeremiah1five]

The "earth" does not necessarily mean scripture is speaking of the entire planet. In the original languages, there are distinctions to be made between the land of Israel, the habitable world, and the cosmos.

Yeah, I know.
But Isaiah was speaking of the earth in 24:1. It says "earth" was turned upside down.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Yeah, I know.
But Isaiah was speaking of the earth in 24:1. It says "earth" was turned upside down.

That context goes on to describe how the established order in Israel of economics, religion, employment status, etc. would all be flipped upside down. In the upheaval of the Babylonian deportations and destruction of the nation and the temple, every rank and status of people would be affected. It wouldn't matter if you were a priest or a member of the people - there was no difference - these were all taken into captivity. It wouldn't matter if a lender were as rich as Midas. He would be a prisoner being deported to Babylon in the same way his borrower would be. Mistress or maid, it didn't matter; both women would be considered the same in captivity.

There is the same type of phrase used in Acts 17:6 when the unbelieving Jews accused the disciples of disruptive behavior. "And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also." It's just a form of speech being used - not that Paul and the other believers had flipped the poles of the planet upside down.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That context goes on to describe how the established order in Israel of economics, religion, employment status, etc. would all be flipped upside down. In the upheaval of the Babylonian deportations and destruction of the nation and the temple, every rank and status of people would be affected. It wouldn't matter if you were a priest or a member of the people - there was no difference - these were all taken into captivity. It wouldn't matter if a lender were as rich as Midas. He would be a prisoner being deported to Babylon in the same way his borrower would be. Mistress or maid, it didn't matter; both women would be considered the same in captivity.

No, the word in Hebrew describes the earth:
EARTH (אֶרֶץ, erets; γῆ, gē). The dwelling place of humans.

There is the same type of phrase used in Acts 17:6 when the unbelieving Jews accused the disciples of disruptive behavior. "And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also." It's just a form of speech being used - not that Paul and the other believers had flipped the poles of the planet upside down.

The Scripture is to be taken literally.
What is said in Isaiah is literal, and what is said in Acts is figure of speech.
Don't you know how to study the words and take the Word of God as He's said it instead of making shipwreck of what's written.

 

[3 Resurrections]

No, the word in Hebrew describes the earth:
EARTH (אֶרֶץ, erets; γῆ, gē). The dwelling place of humans.

That describes the land of Israel.

The Scripture is to be taken literally.
What is said in Isaiah is literal, and what is said in Acts is figure of speech.

At times, yes, scripture is very literal, and at times it uses symbolism and metaphor to make a point. Sometimes both. Context helps a great deal to understand which sense to apply to a passage. Since it requires a balance of both of these things, there is room to give grace for those who don't agree which should be applied to which text.

I do know that God said that as long as the earth remained, that there would be seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, and that day and night would not cease. And that "the earth abideth forever". I'm not worried about this planet's future with that covenant promise from God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That describes the land of Israel.

At times, yes, scripture is very literal, and at times it uses symbolism and metaphor to make a point. Sometimes both. Context helps a great deal to understand which sense to apply to a passage. Since it requires a balance of both of these things, there is room to give grace for those who don't agree which should be applied to which text.

I do know that God said that as long as the earth remained, that there would be seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, and that day and night would not cease. And that "the earth abideth forever". I'm not worried about this planet's future with that covenant promise from God.

Forget it.
You’re too far out there.

 

[donadams]

In heaven? What about after they left their first estate? Can 2 male angels have offspring?

No they wern't....but you say they were, so, where did they come from?

Gen 6:4

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Line one: giants in the land
Line five: offspring

The first offspring were Cain and Able, were they giants?

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[donadams]

In heaven? What about after they left their first estate? Can 2 male angels have offspring?

No they wern't....but you say they were, so, where did they come from?

How does leaving a habitation change their nature?

 

[3 Resurrections]

How does leaving a habitation change their nature?

How did eating a piece of forbidden fruit change Adam and Eve's nature? It was the righteous angel's act of disobedience in leaving their habitation or principality which changed their nature into the fallen state, in the same manner as a single act of disobedience did for the original couple's nature.

 

[donadams]

That is spoken from the perspective of the writer of Genesis. Compared to the author's time when Genesis was being written, it would have been "of old" when those angels had fallen into this particular sin. It's the way we talk today when a senior citizen says, "Back in the old days when I was a kid..."

This is a separate issue, but I believe Adam and Eve lived in the garden before the Fall maybe about 36 plus years. Because that was the age Christ was when He was crucified. Adam was the example of all humanity as sinners who descended from him, in the same way that Christ was the righteous head of all those which He represented. The age Adam was when all the human race was plunged into death by his disobedience, I believe was the same age as Christ Jesus at His crucifixion, by whose obedience many were made righteous and given eternal life.

Does men of renown mean large in stature or a great man?

Napoleon, hitler, and Churchill we’re all men of renown but small men

Nimrod was a great man of renown was he a giant?

Were all the giants wiped out in the flood?

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[donadams]

WHERE specifically do you read that all the fallen angels are now dead? Including Satan???
Rev 12
9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole [a]world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,
“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even [b]when faced with death.

Surly you are not going to drag Jude 1:6 as your proof of mentioning AD70?

6 And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

"eternal restraints"............................

Not according to Peter, who backs up Jude...

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)

AD70 was not that time.... It is yet to be.

A response on here
Also James 4:7
1 pet 5;8
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