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The Hell of the Bible Explained!

"Belly of Hell" are not in the original text.

"Heart of the Earth" is a Catholic doctrine. Hell is not a teaching or belief in Judaism.

I am certain that Christ did not come here to introduce Pagan beliefs.

Hi Thanks

I agree did not come to introduce Pagan beliefs (out of sight out of mind)

Belly of the whale. . sufferings crying out for strength and was strengthened by the power of the father with both parables used as a witness that Christ was yoked with them .Heart of earth same suffering . Belly of Hell or Heart of the Whale .Six of one a half dozen of another .

Living sacrifice, pouring out His Spirt life on dying flesh. Not dead sacrifice never to rise to new spirit life

He does not hear the prayers of what some call patron saints. The living seeking after the dead legion.
 
Where does Rev 20:10 fit in this idea that hell is not biblical but Pagan?
Its Biblical defined as it is written .Not pagan oral tradition.

It (hell) suffering, is real every day we live in these earthen bodies called death Christ calls powerless .

Believers today Yoked with Christ like Abel.

Abel received the gospel rest making his daily burdens lighter with a living hope beyond the grave.

When the first murderer of the father of lies occurred the whole creation was cursed corrupted, As hell he increased the work load Cain became a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth. the sufferings of hell was greater than he could bear (death)

Genesis 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear

Cain a restless wanderer all the days of his life always looking behind. . . no strength from the Father to lead.

No early parole . No get out of jail free card like that of Abel lol
 
Hi Thanks

I agree did not come to introduce Pagan beliefs (out of sight out of mind)

Belly of the whale. . sufferings crying out for strength and was strengthened by the power of the father with both parables used as a witness that Christ was yoked with them .Heart of earth same suffering . Belly of Hell or Heart of the Whale .Six of one a half dozen of another .

Living sacrifice, pouring out His Spirt life on dying flesh. Not dead sacrifice never to rise to new spirit life

He does not hear the prayers of what some call patron saints. The living seeking after the dead legion.
I thought I would point out that Yahshua said he would be in the grave, not in the heart of the earth. Another Pagan belief.
 
Its Biblical defined as it is written .Not pagan oral tradition.

It (hell) suffering, is real every day we live in these earthen bodies called death Christ calls powerless .

Believers today Yoked with Christ like Abel.

Abel received the gospel rest making his daily burdens lighter with a living hope beyond the grave.

When the first murderer of the father of lies occurred the whole creation was cursed corrupted, As hell he increased the work load Cain became a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth. the sufferings of hell was greater than he could bear (death)

Genesis 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear

Cain a restless wanderer all the days of his life always looking behind. . . no strength from the Father to lead.

No early parole . No get out of jail free card like that of Abel lol
Sorry, I am confused.

Are you indicating that there is no eternal fire that we could experience for even a short point before the everlasting death?

We dont need to worry about what was said " Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

or as the Aramaic states.

“And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul; rather be afraid of him who can destroy soul and body in Gehenna.”
 
It does not say that. It says tormented day and night yada,yada.

I believe you are not talking about Rev 20:10 but more likely Rev 22:19 where if you add or take away from the book you can have your name removed... RUBBED OUT... FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE.

You want to use Websters definitions.

1
: extreme pain or anguish of body or mind : agony
She wrung her hands piteously together, looking like a soul in torment.—Lucy Maud Montgomery


2
: a source of vexation or pain
Love is a delight; but hate a torment.—Herman Melville

… the twin torments of his probable manic depression and chronic stomach pains.—Neal Karlen


3
: the infliction of torture (as by rack or wheel)

And it is NOT a parable, it is a metaphor at best.

What is it with you people who toss the p and m words around like jelly beans anytime you cannot fathom what you are reading.And then scrounge around for something that suits you.

Sheeesh. I just was exchanging with another, elsewhere who claimed that the Hebrew translation was mistranslated from Latin.

You have trouble with the Greek translations?

Lets look at the Apocrypha

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Lets look at Aramaic, from the Peshitta

ואכלקרצא מטעינהון אתרמי בימתא דנורא וכבריתא איכא דחיותא ונביא דגלא ונשתנקון איממא ולליא לעלם עלמין܂

και ο διαβολος ο πλανων αυτους εβληθη εις την λιμνην του πυρος και θειου οπου το θηριον και ο ψευδοπροφητης και βασανισθησονται ημερας και νυκτος εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων10

Etheridge translation:

20:10 And the accuser who seduced them was cast into the lake of fire and of sulphur, as was also the beast of prey and the false prophet; and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Murdock translation:

20:10 And the Accuser who seduced them, was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where also were the beast of prey and the false prophet: and they shall be tormented, day and night, for ever and ever.

Interlinear translation:

10And their Seducer, The Devil, was cast into The Lake of Fire and Brimstone where The Beast and The False Prophet are, and they shall be tormented day and night for the eternity of eternities.

The complete Jewish Bible

10 The Adversary who had deceived them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Ya want some more? Revelation 20:10 - Compare Bible Verse Translations

Compare Translations for Revelation 20:10​


You have to do your own translating for this
Read Revelation (RSVA)
SBL Greek New Testament
10 καὶ ὁ διάβολος ὁ πλανῶν αὐτοὺς ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν λίμνην τοῦ πυρὸς καὶ θείου, ὅπου καὶ τὸ θηρίον καὶ ὁ ψευδοπροφήτης, καὶ βασανισθήσονται ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων.

AND

The Latin Vulgate
10 et pseudoprophetes et cruciabuntur die ac nocte in saecula saeculorum

Different languages... saying the same thing.

NOW where is YOUR translation with your Touchstone in it.
The word "touch stone" was given the INTERPRETATION of (torment-ed.)
It is a parable that means the person has been (rubbed out.) DEAD.

Rubbed out: Definition of RUB OUT
 
Sorry, I am confused.

Are you indicating that there is no eternal fire that we could experience for even a short point before the everlasting death?

We dont need to worry about what was said " Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

or as the Aramaic states.

“And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul; rather be afraid of him who can destroy soul and body in Gehenna.”
Gehenna is a word used as a parable to mean destroyed. It was where broken pottery was dumped.
 
Gehenna is a word used as a parable to mean destroyed. It was where broken pottery was dumped.

Hi Thanks

I would offer..

The field of clay or field of blood .

Clay. . . water + dry land. It represents blood. Blood represent spirit life. Dry land and water used that way many, many times. Focusing on the Potter

Acts 1:18-20King James Version Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

I thought I would point out that Yahshua said he would be in the grave, not in the heart of the earth. Another Pagan belief.

Heart of the earth to represent sufferings. Abel like all sons of God blood cries out .for a incorruptible body.

Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

A to Z

Tomb above ground is used .Not grave. Grave no chance of breathings.

Christ suffered pouring out His Spirt life on dying flesh, He cannot die.

Belly of the Whale. Must be the same in that parallel parable. The three day and night propmised demonstration Suffering unto death .Heart of earth. By his wounds we are healed .

Belly whale trouble with wife. . . the heart of the matter .lol

Earth and heart used that way throughout 21 times .

Where your heart is there we can find his treasure .

Yoked with Him our sufferings can be made lighter with a living hope beyond the grave

Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
 
Hi Thanks

I would offer..

The field of clay or field of blood .

Clay. . . water + dry land. It represents blood. Blood represent spirit life. Dry land and water used that way many, many times. Focusing on the Potter

Acts 1:18-20King James Version Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.



Heart of the earth to represent sufferings. Abel like all sons of God blood cries out .for a incorruptible body.

Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

A to Z

Tomb above ground is used .Not grave. Grave no chance of breathings.

Christ suffered pouring out His Spirt life on dying flesh, He cannot die.

Belly of the Whale. Must be the same in that parallel parable. The three day and night propmised demonstration Suffering unto death .Heart of earth. By his wounds we are healed .

Belly whale trouble with wife. . . the heart of the matter .lol

Earth and heart used that way throughout 21 times .

Where your heart is there we can find his treasure .

Yoked with Him our sufferings can be made lighter with a living hope beyond the grave

Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Do not defend Paganism in Christianity.
 
Do not defend Paganism in Christianity.
Paganism . . .Out of sight out of mind fools ?

Hebrews 9:2 7And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hell simply suffering in there earthen bodes of death (powerless)not Limbo or purgatory the wondering, wondering salvation .

The second death letter of the law death and its daily sufferings of hell. The death of death

The idea of bones dug up and judged again like Pope Formosus Cadaver trial And dead mans bones the passed around to be eulogized That defines Paganism .

The context of the appointment to die once must be incorporated .Once he did bear their sin not twice. Double jeopardy.

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 
Sheol and Hades both translate- the GRAVE.
Hades was the god of the underworld and the ruler of the dead. He was the son of the Titans Cronus and Rhea, and the brother of Zeus, Poseidon, Demeter, Hera, and Hestia. Hades was also known as Pluto or Pluton, which means "the wealthy one" or "the giver of wealth".

In Greek mythology,( something twisted by satan) It doesn't exist. The grave is real. The bible says Jesus went to Hades= the Grave for 3 days.
Did you guys read my replies to this op?


My point is that nowadays we use these terms interchangeably but in the gospel era the meanings of those words were not identical, and the terms were not synonymous. It is also not likely Jesus used the Greek or Roman terms (since he spoke in Aramaic or Hebrew) and he certainly was not affirming pagan views.
 
Hades is a Greek myth.
Yes, used to represent death never to rise to new spirit life. The killings letter of the law . Thou shalt not or deader than a door nail.

Satan the counterfeiter the author of Greek mythology. Copying the priesthood of believers. defined in Exodus 7,

Using Barnabas as Jupiter the father of gods and Paul as Mercurius the preacher of the gospel

Same way as with Moses as if our father and Arron the preacher of the good news

Acts 14:10-12King James VersionSaid with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. ( Preacher)

Exodus 7King James VersionAnd the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. (preacher) Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak (preach) unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land. And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

Death the letter of the law. . .never to rise to new spiritual life
 
Annihilationism is taught in the bible

Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism) is a belief that after the final judgment some human beings will be totally destroyed so as to not exist, or that their consciousness will be extinguished, rather than suffer everlasting torment in hell. Annihilationism is directly related to the doctrine of conditional immortality, the idea that a human soul is not immortal unless it is given eternal life by God.

Atheist claim they could never worship a God who is more evil than any person who lived, by torturing people in Hell for all eternity.



Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Genesis 3:3
but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
God never said they could not examine the fruit.

Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

The serpent’s doctrine is that there is eternal life in Hell.

Note: The word Hell is nowhere to be found in the original bible text.





Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction.

Deuteronomy 32:39
"See now that I myself am He! There is no God besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.

1 Samuel 2:6
"The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.

Proverbs 2:18
For her house leads down to death, and her paths to the death of spirits.

Proverbs 8:36
But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death."

Proverbs 11:19
The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death.

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.

Proverbs 23:14
Punish him with the rod and save his (soul / spirit) from death.

Psalm 56:13
For you have delivered me from death and my feet from stumbling, that I may walk before God in the light of life.

Psalm 118:18
The LORD has chastened me severely, but he has not given me over to death.

Hosea 13:14
"I will ransom them from the power of the grave ; I will redeem them from death. Where, O death, are your plagues? Where, O grave, is your destruction?

Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'

Ezekiel 18:32
I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Ezekiel 18:23
I do not take any pleasure in the death of the wicked declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, I am pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
 
Matthew 16:28
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Mark 9:1
And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the kingdom of God come with power."
Luke 9:27
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the kingdom of God."
John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,…
James 5:20
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades (Grave).
Revelation 6:8
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades (Grave) was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and Hades (grave) gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades (grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
Matthew 10:28
And do not fear them which can kill the body, but are not able to kill the (soul / spirit): but rather fear him which is able to destroy both (soul / spirit) and body in (hell / Gehenna.)
A soul consist of both body and spirit.
Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
Job 27:8
For what hope have the godless when they are cut off, when God takes away their life?
The Serpent's doctrine is that there is eternal life in Hell, and that God is a liar, and that people will not surly die.
 
Did you guys read my replies to this op?


My point is that nowadays we use these terms interchangeably but in the gospel era the meanings of those words were not identical, and the terms were not synonymous. It is also not likely Jesus used the Greek or Roman terms (since he spoke in Aramaic or Hebrew) and he certainly was not affirming pagan views.
My posts are correct.
 
@CherubRam
Alrighty then. This is not in the bible....????/ Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28)

If it is not there, then does that mean that there is nowhere for eternal punishment?

Rev 20:10 states... KJV

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I dont know about you but I do know that I would not like to be in a burning lake.


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Whatever the word used — Gehenna, Tartarus, hell, or the eternal lake of fire — none of these places hold any value or hope for the child of God, who is called to put his or her hope, trust, faith, and soul in the Lord above all.


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Gehenna — its name conjures up a picture of a dark, fiery, evil place of refuse and pain, filled with gnashing of teeth and agony beyond all comprehension.
Jesus referred to it nearly a dozen times in the gospel accounts, and today, the word is often synonymous with hell, a terrible, vile place that evokes violent images of anguish, unrelenting misery, and destruction.




But what is Gehenna in the Bible? Here, we delve into its Hebrew origin and meaning.

What Does ‘Gehenna’ Mean in the Bible?​

Most of the time, Christians think of Gehenna as the place Jesus referred to in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke to illuminate the dangers of not falling in line with the way of the Lord. Those who walk astray — the hypocrites, the wicked, the enemies of the Father — are destined to an eternity of excruciating destruction in the fiery pits of hell.

But we first learn about Gehenna in the Old Testament. The word Gehenna is derived from the Hebrew ge Hinnom, or the “valley of Hinnom.” Mention of the place comes in 2 Chronicles 28 in relation to Ahaz, a king of Judah who did evil in the eyes of God.
In addition to making worship sacrifices for the Baals, false gods, 2 Chronicles 28:3 tells us, “He burned sacrifices in the Valley of Ben Hinnom and sacrificed his children in the fire, engaging in the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites” (NIV).



A few chapters later, we read about another king of Judah, Manasseh, who was even more evil than his ancestral predecessor. Manasseh not only worshipped the stars, erected altars to the Baals, and made sacred poles to honor the false mother goddess, Asherah, but he also desecrated God’s temple.
As the Bible tells us, “He sacrificed his children in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced divination and witchcraft, sought omens, and consulted mediums and spiritualists. He did much evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger” (2 Chronicles 33:6).
These children were thought to have been sacrificed to the false god Molech, or Molek, who was particularly despised by the Lord. Molech was referred to as the “detestable god of the Ammonites” in 1 Kings 11:7 and was associated with child sacrifice and gruesome orgies.



Therefore, this valley, this Gehenna, was a detestable place to God’s people. God refers to it as the “valley of slaughter” in Jeremiah 7:31 and in Jeremiah 19:2-6, a place of ruin and disaster.
In Isaiah 30:33, it is referred to as Topheth, a horrible, fearsome place: “Its fire pit has been made deep and wide, with an abundance of fire and wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of burning sulfur, sets it ablaze.”
Later, the valley was used as a place to contain the garbage and filth of the city. As Easton’s Bible Dictionary illustrates, “Here the dead bodies of animals and of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast and consumed by fire kept always burning. It thus in process of time became the image of the place of everlasting destruction.”

What Did Jesus Say about Gehenna?​

It is this violent, disgusting place of filth — the dumping ground of the city — that Jesus uses to illuminate his point about the evil awaiting those not in alignment with God the Father.



Jesus mentions Gehenna at least 11 times in the New Testament, and some of the apostles refer to it as well. The word is mostly rendered “hell,” with Gehenna in the margins or footnotes.
For example, in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus uses the word several times. In Matthew 5, He warns that it is far better for the body to endure temporary pain, loss, destruction, or other maladies here on earth than to suffer an eternity of destruction in hell. As Jesus says in Matthew 5:29-30,

“If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.”



While the NIV and most modern English translations use the word “hell,” the word in Greek is geenna, or Gehenna, defined by Strong’s Concordance as “a valley west and south of Jerusalem, also a symbolic name for the final place of punishment of the ungodly.” This concept of a “final place” for the ungodly and evil naturally becomes, for most people, tantamount to hell.
A few chapters later, Jesus again uses this fearsome symbol of the hellish valley, urging His followers, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28). Better short-term suffering than everlasting torment in the Valley of Slaughter, Jesus is saying in essence.
In case it’s not clear, Matthew shows Jesus repeating this warning in Matthew 18:9 — better one eye on earth than two forever in hell — and again in Matthew 23, proclaiming impending woe and destruction to the Pharisees and other hypocrites, a “brood of vipers.” “How will you escape being condemned to hell?”, Jesus asks (Matthew 23:33).
 
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