The Hell of the Bible Explained!

[RR144]

Some deny the existence of hell, but the Bible clearly teaches it, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

MANY MISUNDERSTAND the subject, and some still hold to the heathen doctrine of eternal torture, which was attached to Christianity early in the Dark Ages, and so they believe in hell as viewed by the heathen instead of in the hell of the inspired Word of God.

• It's important that we examine carefully and learn thoroughly the Bible teachings on hell. The only Old Testament word translated hell is sheol, to which the New Testament word Hades corresponds. In the King James Version the Old Testament word, sheol and the New Testament word, hades are translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times. Frequently when translated hell, the margin reads, “or, the grave,” or vice versa (Psa. 49: 15; Jonah 2: 1, 2).
• Contrary to the idea that hell is a place of fire and torture the Bible says, “there is no work, or device, or knowledge, or wisdom, in the grave [sheol], where you are going”; “in death there is no remembrance of you. In the grave [sheol] who shall give You thanks”; “the grave [sheol] cannot praise You: death cannot celebrate You” (Eccl. 9: 10; Psa. 6:5).
• Good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (hell) at death. Jesus “poured out His soul to death” (Matt. 26: 38), and descended to hell, but “His soul [His being] was not left in hell” (Acts 2: 27, 31).
• In Old English the word hell simply meant to hide or to cover. To "hell potatoes" meant to plant and cover them with earth. The word hell is properly used as signifying the secret or hidden condition of the dead. It had no reference whatever to a place of torture until that meaning was attached to it from heathen superstitions and theologians of the Dark Ages.
• When God told Adam of sin’s penalty, He did not say “In the day that you eat of it you shall live forever in torture,” but He told him the truth: “you shall surely die, i.e., cease to live” (Gen. 2: 17).
• Contradicting God, Satan told the first lie (John 8: 44), “You will not surely die” (Gen. 3: 4), by which he has since deceived many into believing that the dead are not really dead, but that at death they live on, and without waiting for the resurrection day (John 5: 28), go directly into heaven or into eternal torment.
• The Bible states plainly that “the soul who sins shall die” (Ezek. 18: 4); that “the wages of sin is death” [cessation of life, not life in torment]. On the other hand, the gift of God is eternal life (Rom. 6: 23) through Jesus Christ.
• Do you not see, that if the penalty against Adam and his race had been eternal torment, Jesus would have had to suffer an eternity of torture to redeem the human race? On the contrary, the “wages of sin is death,” “Christ died for our sins,” He tasted death for every man; and He “was raised from the dead” (1 Cor. 15: 3, 4). God through Christ ransoms all, not from eternal torture, but “from the power of the grave [sheol]” (Hos. 13: 14).
• Eventually “all that are in the grave shall hear His [Jesus’] voice, and shall come forth” (John 5: 28, 29 RSV). When sheol or hades delivers up all who sleep in Adamic death, sheol and hades will forever cease to exist. “O grave [sheol] I will be your destruction.”
• Sodom and Gomorrah are set forth by God “as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 7) then; the fire that is not burning any longer did destroy those cities, and brought upon them destruction. These will be awakened in the world’s judgment day (John 5: 28). However, they will not be reinstated to their former wicked condition.
• The word translated “tormented” in Rev. 20: 10 should have been rendered “tested” or “examined;” the devil, the beast and the false prophet will be examined forever by the righteous, and recognized as deserving destruction.
• The wicked “shall be punished with everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1: 9). Moreover, they “shall go away into everlasting punishment” [not everlasting life in torture, but death], (Matt. 25:46); “for sin, when it is finished, brings forth death” (James 1: 15); everlasting death is everlasting punishment. But the righteous only will have life eternal (John 3: 36).
• “God is love” and He desires us to “worship Him in spirit and in truth,” out of love for Him, not because of fear of punishment now and in the hereafter.

“Perfect love casts out fear” [dread]. (1 John 4: 8-12)​

 

[Fred]

The word translated “tormented” in Rev. 20: 10 should have been rendered “tested” or “examined;”

Neither Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament as well as the BDAG (3rd Edition) agree with you.

• “God is love” and He desires us to “worship Him in spirit and in truth,” out of love for Him, not because of fear of punishment now and in the hereafter.

Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy Name?

 

[Ghada]

MANY MISUNDERSTAND the subject, and some still hold to the heathen doctrine of eternal torture, which was attached to Christianity early in the Dark Ages, and so they believe in hell as viewed by the heathen instead of in the hell of the inspired Word of God.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences

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• Contrary to the idea that hell is a place of fire and torture the Bible says, “there is no work, or device, or knowledge, or wisdom, in the grave [sheol], where you are going”; “in death there is no remembrance of you. In the grave [sheol] who shall give You thanks”; “the grave [sheol] cannot praise You: death cannot celebrate You” (Eccl. 9: 10; Psa. 6:5).

The body alone knows nothing.

Luk 16:25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

The wicked do not praise God, neither on earth nor thereafter.

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• Do you not see, that if the penalty against Adam and his race had been eternal torment,

Sin by lust is death of the soul to the Spirit of life.

Death of the body is natural.

• Jesus would have had to suffer an eternity of torture to redeem the human race?

Jesus didn't suffer the death of sin, because He knew no sin.

Jesus laid His body down for our sins. And raised His body for our justification.

• “Christ died for our sins,”

To be made exceeding sinful and repented of for His mercy's sake.

• God through Christ ransoms all, not from eternal torture, but “from the power of the grave [sheol]” (Hos. 13: 14).

Mat 1:21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jhn 1:29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world

2Pe 1:3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Deliverance by Jesus Christ is from lust and sin. No man is delivered from the righteous judgment of God by works.

Heb{9:27} And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The bodies of the righteous are delivered from the grave by resurrection unto life with Jesus Christ. The bodies of the unrighteous are delivered from the grave by resurrection unto shame and contempt, forever apart from God and the Lamb.

If any man lives by his own lust and will unto the grave, then that man will continue forever by himself alone in blackness, away from the fellowship of God with man.

Jde 1:12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

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• The word translated “tormented” in Rev. 20: 10 should have been rendered “tested” or “examined;”

Testing and examining time is now only.

• the devil, the beast and the false prophet will be examined forever by the righteous, and recognized as deserving destruction.

Rev 14:11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The devil, beast, and false prophet are the only three named. The rest are those not found written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 14:10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

The wandering stars of torment are only known by the angels and Lamb of God.

• The wicked “shall be punished with everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1: 9). Moreover, they “shall go away into everlasting punishment” [not everlasting life in torture, but death], (Matt. 25:46); “for sin, when it is finished, brings forth death” (James 1: 15); everlasting death is everlasting punishment. But the righteous only will have life eternal (John 3: 36).

Heb 1:7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Gen 1:27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

All angels are created immortal spirits, and all men are created immortal souls in the image of God. If any man wishes for oblivion after this life, it is self-decepting rejection of God's judgment of every man by our works.

Any imagination that the soul is only the body, is a natural theology for them that reject the eternal things of the Spirit of God, and His creation of immortal angels and souls of men.

It's another rejection of eternal judgement by works.

• “God is love” and He desires us to “worship Him in spirit and in truth,” out of love for Him, not because of fear of punishment now and in the hereafter.

Psa 36:1 The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.

1 Peter{1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

“Perfect love casts out fear” [dread]. (1 John 4: 8-12)​

The upright of heart and righteous in Christ Jesus, have no need to be afraid of the judgment of their works by the Father, and His terror upon them that do evil.

The righteous of the Lord call upon His true judgment and seek it:

Psa 7:8The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.

Psa 106:3Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

1 John{3:7} Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous

1 John{2:29} If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[Josheb]

Some deny the existence of hell, but the Bible clearly teaches it, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

MANY MISUNDERSTAND the subject, and some still hold to the heathen doctrine of eternal torture, which was attached to Christianity early in the Dark Ages, and so they believe in hell as viewed by the heathen instead of in the hell of the inspired Word of God.

• It's important that we examine carefully and learn thoroughly the Bible teachings on hell. The only Old Testament word translated hell is sheol, to which the New Testament word Hades corresponds. In the King James Version the Old Testament word, sheol and the New Testament word, hades are translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times. Frequently when translated hell, the margin reads, “or, the grave,” or vice versa (Psa. 49: 15; Jonah 2: 1, 2).
• Contrary to the idea that hell is a place of fire and torture the Bible says, “there is no work, or device, or knowledge, or wisdom, in the grave [sheol], where you are going”; “in death there is no remembrance of you. In the grave [sheol] who shall give You thanks”; “the grave [sheol] cannot praise You: death cannot celebrate You” (Eccl. 9: 10; Psa. 6:5).
• Good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (hell) at death. Jesus “poured out His soul to death” (Matt. 26: 38), and descended to hell, but “His soul [His being] was not left in hell” (Acts 2: 27, 31).
• In Old English the word hell simply meant to hide or to cover. To "hell potatoes" meant to plant and cover them with earth. The word hell is properly used as signifying the secret or hidden condition of the dead. It had no reference whatever to a place of torture until that meaning was attached to it from heathen superstitions and theologians of the Dark Ages.
• When God told Adam of sin’s penalty, He did not say “In the day that you eat of it you shall live forever in torture,” but He told him the truth: “you shall surely die, i.e., cease to live” (Gen. 2: 17).
• Contradicting God, Satan told the first lie (John 8: 44), “You will not surely die” (Gen. 3: 4), by which he has since deceived many into believing that the dead are not really dead, but that at death they live on, and without waiting for the resurrection day (John 5: 28), go directly into heaven or into eternal torment.
• The Bible states plainly that “the soul who sins shall die” (Ezek. 18: 4); that “the wages of sin is death” [cessation of life, not life in torment]. On the other hand, the gift of God is eternal life (Rom. 6: 23) through Jesus Christ.
• Do you not see, that if the penalty against Adam and his race had been eternal torment, Jesus would have had to suffer an eternity of torture to redeem the human race? On the contrary, the “wages of sin is death,” “Christ died for our sins,” He tasted death for every man; and He “was raised from the dead” (1 Cor. 15: 3, 4). God through Christ ransoms all, not from eternal torture, but “from the power of the grave [sheol]” (Hos. 13: 14).
• Eventually “all that are in the grave shall hear His [Jesus’] voice, and shall come forth” (John 5: 28, 29 RSV). When sheol or hades delivers up all who sleep in Adamic death, sheol and hades will forever cease to exist. “O grave [sheol] I will be your destruction.”
• Sodom and Gomorrah are set forth by God “as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 7) then; the fire that is not burning any longer did destroy those cities, and brought upon them destruction. These will be awakened in the world’s judgment day (John 5: 28). However, they will not be reinstated to their former wicked condition.
• The word translated “tormented” in Rev. 20: 10 should have been rendered “tested” or “examined;” the devil, the beast and the false prophet will be examined forever by the righteous, and recognized as deserving destruction.
• The wicked “shall be punished with everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1: 9). Moreover, they “shall go away into everlasting punishment” [not everlasting life in torture, but death], (Matt. 25:46); “for sin, when it is finished, brings forth death” (James 1: 15); everlasting death is everlasting punishment. But the righteous only will have life eternal (John 3: 36).
• “God is love” and He desires us to “worship Him in spirit and in truth,” out of love for Him, not because of fear of punishment now and in the hereafter.

“Perfect love casts out fear” [dread]. (1 John 4: 8-12)​

Do you think Jesus used the word, "Sheol," or "Hades"?

 

[RR144]

Do you think Jesus used the word, "Sheol," or "Hades"?

Sheol is the Hebrew, but Hades the Greek version is used by our Lord.

Matthew 11:23
And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Luke 10:15
15 And you, Capernaum, [a]who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades.

Luke 16:23
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

 

[Josheb]

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Do you think Jesus used the word, "Sheol," or "Hades"?

Sheol is the Hebrew, but Hades the Greek version is used by our Lord.

Yes, that is correct. That, however, does not answer my question. Do you think Jesus used the word, "sheol," or "hades"?

Matthew 11:23
And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Luke 10:15
15 And you, Capernaum, [a]who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades.

Luke 16:23
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

You've already posted "sheol" is Hebraic," and "hades" is Greek. Now follow through on those facts. Do you think Jesus used the word, "sheol," or the word "hades"? In other words, did Jeus teach using the Hebrew language (or Aramaic) or did he teach using Greek language? Or do you think he may possibly have taught in first century Latin?



Do you think Jesus used the word, "sheol," or "hades"?

 

[RR144]

Do you think Jesus used the word, "sheol," or the word "hades"? In other words, did Jeus teach using the Hebrew language (or Aramaic) or did he teach using Greek language? Or do you think he may possibly have taught in first century Latin?

I don't know, I wasn't there!

That said, the jury is still out as to what language Jesus did speak, Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. My money is Hebrew / Aramaic

 

[Josheb]

I don't know, I wasn't there!

That said, the jury is still out as to what language Jesus did speak, Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. My money is Hebrew / Aramaic

My money is on his speaking Hebrew or Aramaic, too.

If that is true, then Jesus did not use the words "hades," which is Greek, or "hel" which is Norse. Those words, therefore, come from the New Testament writers, and not Jesus. Those Jews who wrote the New Testament wrote in Greek because that was the common language of the surrounding cultures (although Matthew may have been originally written in Aramaic and then later translated into Greek). Using Greek, those writers used the language common and well-known to the Greek and Roman cultures to which they were writing. Words like, "hades", "hel," and "tartarus," were used instead of the Hebraic/Aramaic "sheol" because that was the pagan/Gentile word for sheol, or the grave.


Jesus probably did not actually use the word "hades," or "hel," or tartarus" because those are not Hebraic/Aramaic words, and they are not words consistent with Old Testament Judaism.


Does that sound right to you?

 

[RR144]

Jesus probably did not actually use the word "hades," or "hel," or tartarus" because those are not Hebraic/Aramaic words, and they are not words consistent with Old Testament Judaism.

So what are you suggesting? The scriptures aren't inspired? Given that all of Jesus words, in fact the entire New Testament was written in Greek, then everything is suspect

 

[Josheb]

So what are you suggesting? The scriptures aren't inspired? Given that all of Jesus words, in fact the entire New Testament was written in Greek, then everything is suspect

So....... are you having difficulty answering the question asked?

Just answer the question and I/we will eventually get to the point.

Scripture is inspired. It is inspired by God, the only God, the Creator God AND His word is true and correct and authoritative to all that it speaks. So please do not ever again think that is what I am saying, implying, or in any way, shape, or form insinuating. Jesus taught about the grave quite a lot. It's doubtful he actually used the actual Norse term "hel" doing so. Possible, but not likely. The word he most likely used over and over and over again, and again was "sheol," because he was speaking to an almost exclusively Jewish audience that predominantly did not believe in a life after death (because most of them were Sadducean, not Pharisaic or Essenic.

Now, if you would, please go back to Post 8 and answer the question asked. I'll then move onto another aspect of Jesus' teaching relevant to the words used in the inspired and authoritative word of God so that the hell of the Bible can be explained and understood in light of whole scripture.

Just hang in here with me a little longer . Even if we disagree in the end (though I doubt we will), it'll be worth it.

 

[Papa Smurf]

• Do you not see, that if the penalty against Adam and his race had been eternal torment, Jesus would have had to suffer an eternity of torture to redeem the human race?

Hello RR144, the punishment for all who die outside of Christ is eternal because they cannot pay the price that was set by God to atone for their sins (only the spotless Lamb of God is capable of doing that for us). This is why those who die apart from Christ spend the rest of eternity in the Lake of Fire (~not~ because "eternal torment" was the price set by God, it wasn't, but because they are incapable of paying the price that He did set).

However, this was not true of the Lord Jesus Christ who ~was~ capable of paying the required price (to atone for the sins of all who come to saving faith in Him), and that by His death on the Cross ~alone~ (not by an eternity spent in a place which was incapable of holding Him .. e.g. Acts 2:24).

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - I have a bit more that I'd like to comment on (about this and other parts of your post), but that will have to wait for another day.

1 Peter 1​

18 You were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, ​

19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. ​

 

[Mr GLee]

I would offer its appointed for all men to die once "the wage of sin". .No double jeapordy or retrial .

Hell the living sufferings of the letter of the law (thou shalt not or death. . never to rise to new spirit life . The death of the letter.it will not raise up in the new creation and destroy it . One demonstration

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (death of death)

We are healed by his wounds. The father bruised the heel it crushed the head of the father of lies the Legion .A living sacrifice not dead. . .

The Father poured out His Holy Spirit of life on the Son of man . in jeapordy of his own Spirit life .

A false doctrine needed to commune with the dead called today patron saints (3,500 and rising). A law of the fathers lying commandments of dying mankind passed down from the Pharisees with Sadducees . Sign and wonder seekers

Limbo and purgatory needed for mankind to believe dead is not really dead (re-incarnation the false gospel. . dead hope )

 

[Papa Smurf]

• Sodom and Gomorrah are set forth by God “as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 7) then; the fire that is not burning any longer did destroy those cities, and brought upon them destruction. These will be awakened in the world’s judgment day (John 5:28). However, they will not be reinstated to their former wicked condition.

Hello again RR144! As far as the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (and their surround) being an "example" of what Hell will be like, that's what the Bible tells us (as you have already pointed out for us). However, I would disagree that it's a perfect example because, unlike the physical realm that we live in today, the Lake of Fire is going to be never-ending (just like the new heavens and the new earth will be) in the age to come.

What I believe is most important about Sodom and Gomorrah today is that what happened there millennia ago continues to stand today as an important warning to us, one that speaks clearly of God's impending Judgment of the ungodly (of the judgment and eternal condemnation that will befall all who are not in Christ when they die), and of the great need of any who are not already in Christ to repent and be saved by Him (before it is too late for them to do so).

It is also a stark reminder to every believer of our need to be His faithful witnesses (to the many in this world today who are still walking in darkness .. cf Romans 10:17).

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - I hope to address the ending of your quote above (about the intermediate state and the resurrection of the dead) in my next post, but for now, I thought it best to finish with some insights taken from Dr. Barnes Notes (on Jude 7).

The phrase ‘eternal fire’ is one that is often used to denote future punishment—as expressing the severity and intensity of the suffering. ​

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As here used, it cannot mean that the fires which consumed Sodom and Gomorrah were literally eternal*, or were kept always burning, for that was not true. The expression seems to denote, in this connection, two things: (1.) That the destruction of the cities of the plain, with their inhabitants, was as entire and perpetual as if the fires had been always burning—the consumption was absolute and enduring—the sinners were wholly cut off, and the cities for ever rendered desolate; and (2) that, in its nature and duration, this was a striking emblem of the destruction which will come upon the ungodly. ​

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I do not see that the apostle here means to affirm that those particular sinners who dwelt in Sodom would be punished for ever, for his expressions do not directly affirm that, and his argument does not demand it; but still the image in his mind, in the destruction of those cities, was clearly that of the utter desolation and ruin of which this was the emblem; of the ~perpetual~ destruction of the wicked, like that of the cities of the plain. If this had not been the case, there was no reason why he should have used the word eternal—meaning here perpetual—since, if in his mind there was no image of future punishment, all that the argument would have demanded was the simple statement that they were cut off by fire. ​

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The passage, then, cannot be used to prove that the particular dwellers in Sodom will be punished for ever—whatever may be the truth on that point; but that there is a place of eternal punishment, of which that was a striking emblem. ​

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The meaning is, that the case was one which furnished a demonstration of the fact that God will punish sin; that this was an example of the punishment which God sometimes inflicts on sinners in this world, and a type of that eternal punishment which will be inflicted in the next. ~Barnes, A. (1884–1885). Notes on the New Testament: James to Jude (R. Frew, Ed.; pp. 392–393). ​

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*The 1st Century AD Jewish historian Philo reports that the fires that consumed these cities of the plain were still burning, even as he wrote about them, 2,000 years later.

 

[Josheb]

Sheol is the Hebrew, but Hades the Greek version is used by our Lord.

Jesus' first century audience was overwhelmingly Jewish. Yes?

• What was the meaning of sheol to the first century Jew?
• What was the meaning of hades to the first century Jew?
• What was the meaning of sheol to the larger Gentile population that read the gospels?

This op is about the hell of the Bible explained, yes?

 

[Josheb]

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Some deny the existence of hell, but the Bible clearly teaches it, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

MANY MISUNDERSTAND the subject, and some still hold to the heathen doctrine of eternal torture, which was attached to Christianity early in the Dark Ages, and so they believe in hell as viewed by the heathen instead of in the hell of the inspired Word of God.

• Good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (hell) at death. Jesus “poured out His soul to death” (Matt. 26: 38), and descended to hell, but “His soul [His being] was not left in hell” (Acts 2: 27, 31).

What is the Greek word used in Acts 2:27 and 31?

 

[Mr GLee]

So what are you suggesting? The scriptures aren't inspired? Given that all of Jesus words, in fact the entire New Testament was written in Greek, then everything is suspect

I would offer.

Believers are healed by his wounds, bruises, stripes . Bruised of the father crushing the head of the serpent.

A living spiritual sacrifice Christ pouring out His Spirit on dying flesh. God . .cannot die

The spiritless lifeless blood of the sacrifice must be poured out to show spiritual life was given. It returns to dust, field of clay.. The temporal spirit returns to the father of all spirit life

Not dead never to rise to new spirit life. Jonah and Jesus sufferings (belly of whale . . heart of earth). being strengthen by the father to both will and do the good will of Christ our husband .

God does not commune with the dead (necromancy ), He heard and answered them three times in both cases

Jonah 2King James Version Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hell suffering. Yoked with Him the daily burdens of hell can be made lighter with a living hope beyond the grave . The end of suffering

 

[RR144]

What is the Greek word used in Acts 2:27 and 31?

Strong's #86 ᾅδην HADES

 

[Papa Smurf]

• Sodom and Gomorrah are set forth by God “as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 7) then; the fire that is not burning any longer did destroy those cities, and brought upon them destruction. These will be awakened in the world’s judgment day (John 5: 28). However, they will not be reinstated to their former wicked condition.

Hello again RR144, more than simply "awakened", yes, as the Bible makes it clear that there will be a bodily resurrection of ALL who have died (both of the righteous, who died in Christ, and of the ungodly, who did not) and that ALL will then have bodies that are fitted for eternity (wherever they end up spending it).

Just to be clear, what do you mean by the dead being "awakened"? Do you hold, for instance, to the sleep of the soul during the Intermediate State? Thanks!

Finally, you said that "they will not be reinstated to their former, wicked condition". That's an interesting thought, but how do you know that it's true?

I suppose I should also ask, what "condition" will they be "reinstated" in and how were they changed into this new condition after they died .. some sort of purgatory experience perhaps (also, where does the Bible tell us about all of this)

Thanks again

God bless you!!

~Papa Smurf

 

[Mr GLee]

No limbo or purgatory

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

It is appointed for men to die once. No retrials or double jeapordy, No sufferings after one takes there last breath.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead (In there trespasses) and sin shall hear the voice (Gospel) of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all (believers )that are in the graves( asleep like Lazarus) shall hear his voice (rise) , And shall come forth; they .(both those asleep and those awake when he returns) that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

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Strong's #86 ᾅδην HADES

That is correct. The word in Greek is "haden," and that is true of Both Acts 2:27 and Acts 2:31.

What does this op state the word is?

Some deny the existence of hell, but the Bible clearly teaches it, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

MANY MISUNDERSTAND the subject, and some still hold to the heathen doctrine of eternal torture, which was attached to Christianity early in the Dark Ages, and so they believe in hell as viewed by the heathen instead of in the hell of the inspired Word of God...................

• Good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (hell) at death. Jesus “poured out His soul to death” (Matt. 26: 38), and descended to hell, but “His soul [His being] was not left in hell” (Acts 2: 27, 31).

Is because the KJV was used and not the Greek? Why do you suppose the KJV translated "haden" as hell and not as hades? Or is the mistake yours alone and you took liberty ith the text for the sake of the op?

I do not want you to answer those questions.

What I would like you to do is 1) focus, and 2) stick to the text of scripture and the meaning of those words as the original first century audience would have understood them. The very first rule of exegesis is to read the text exactly as written unless there is something in the surrounding text that provides a reason to do otherwise. The second rule of sound exegesis is to understand the text as the original author and his original audience would have understood it.....

.....and not as 17th century Englishmen would have understood it, and not as 21st century Americans understand it, and not as post-biblical doctrines define it.

Can you do that?

Your op claims to explain a Biblical hell, not a hell of doctrinal definition. Let's see if we - you and me - can parse scripture accurately and arrive at a Biblical explanation because Acts 2:27 and 31 do NOT use the word "hell." They use the word "hades," and the word hades had a very specific meaning to the first century Jew and a somewhat different meaning to the first century pagan.

Do you know the difference?

If so then put down the defenses and work with me as a brother in Christ, walk with me side by side through the scriptures and what we both know about first century Judaism and its surrounding paganisms.

Yes?​

Would you please start that collaboration by answering the questions in Post #14? Thank you I'm off to church. In the interim take the time to look up the Greek in some of the English translations where the word "hell" is used because you will discover the word "hell" does not occur in the Greek of those translations. That's important when it comes to a Biblical explanation of hell.

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