THE ANGELS THAT SINNED

[Wordsmith]

A great deal of 'views' on doctrine came about later. We and they did not know everything in one lesson.

Can be true, but not in this case the Sethite view is not supported by scripture it is contrived.

 

[Wordsmith]

Do you have two natures? No, you don't. It wasn't necessary for any outside influences to test Jesus. He knew who He was.
The human nature of Christ was tested. He knew He had a human nature. He knew it needed to be tested especially after the Holy Spirit drove Him out of the city for that testing.

4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
The Holy Spirit Authored the Scripture. He calls the human nature of Jesus "devil" which means "traducer" which means "false accuser."

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
Jesus fasted. The "devil": did not make Him do it.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Jesus knew He was the Son of God. On that knowledge He considered making stones into bread but the Logos addressed it with Scripture

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
ibid.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
The "devil" doesn't have such power. Jesus walked to the Temple.

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Again, being tested as to His power to float to the ground. But nowhere in the Gospels did Jesus ever do this.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Two natures. One human (Jesus), the other divine (Christ.)

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
If you take "devil" as a person (Satan/Lucifer) which is grammatically impossible since the word is an adjective and NOT a noun, angels don't have such power over the Son to abduct Him to places they want to go. NO WHERE in Scripture is Jesus Christ subservient to angels, besides, they are all locked up so find some other explanation for who the "devil" is because it is NOT an angel.

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
It's all about who's going to have the preeminence: Human or Deity.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
God wins the day.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mt 4:1-11
The human mind ceases its attempt at running the show.
And these are the good, elect angels of God. Not the ones that sinned for they are all locked up.

Very simple. Two natures. Human and divine. But you could never understand what it's like. One Mind. Two natures. Which one is going to ascend? The Logos wins.

I don't care how many times you post this you are never going to be right about Jesus being tempted by an attitude and quoting scripture to himself. There are evil entities out there Jesus dealt with them we have to deal with them they are real and not attitudes or figments of imaginations.

You have backed youyrself into a theological corner with your stance on angels and that is affecting other things in scripture because the box you have placed yourself in does not allow Jesus to be tempted by who scripture says He was. You have to try to explain away reality because of the position you are married to in 2 Peter. On one hand I pray you never have to deal with a demon possessed person but then again it might be good for you to look into the eye of one who is truly possessed and have to with the sword of the Spirit fight your way out of that situation. If that ever happens I guarantee your theology will change faster than you can say "in the name of Jesus".

 

[jeremiah1five]

You didn't get there from from scripture you need that to be true to support a preconceived theory. There are many in the church today and all throughout church history and before the church came into being that believe differently than you.

Yes, they take sons of God to be angels which cannot be for they were all locked up in the time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 before man was created.
It says that God turned the earth upside down. When did this happen?
North America used to be in the southern hemisphere. Now it's in the northern.
When did God turn to earth upside down?


24 Behold, the LORD cmaketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste,
And turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Is 24:1

When did God do this?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Can be true, but not in this case the Sethite view is not supported by scripture it is contrived.

What's contrived is the idea that spirit beings mating with material girls.
Talk about far out.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't care how many times you post this you are never going to be right about Jesus being tempted by an attitude and quoting scripture to himself. There are evil entities out there Jesus dealt with them we have to deal with them they are real and not attitudes or figments of imaginations.

You have backed youyrself into a theological corner with your stance on angels and that is affecting other things in scripture because the box you have placed yourself in does not allow Jesus to be tempted by who scripture says He was. You have to try to explain away reality because of the position you are married to in 2 Peter. On one hand I pray you never have to deal with a demon possessed person but then again it might be good for you to look into the eye of one who is truly possessed and have to with the sword of the Spirit fight your way out of that situation. If that ever happens I guarantee your theology will change faster than you can say "in the name of Jesus".

Not attitude. His Mind. His thoughts about who He is and whether to be obedient to the Father.
It was a test of His human side of Him.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Jesus Christ is the First fruits of EVERYTHING.

Don't forget the 144,000 who were also called the "Firstfruits" (Rev. 14:4). The 144,000 First-fruits (literally) stood with the risen Lamb on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, because they and He both went into the city of Jerusalem that resurrection day back in AD 33, as was reported about the Matthew 27:52-53 resurrected saints.

 

[3 Resurrections]

24 Behold, the LORD cmaketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste,
And turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Is 24:1

When did God do this?

Try looking at these Isaiah 24:1-3 verses in the LXX. It says, "Behold, the Lord is ABOUT TO lay waste the world, and will make it desolate, and will lay bare the surface of it, and scatter them that dwell therein. And the people shall be as the priest, and the servant as the lord, and the maid as the mistress; the buyer shall be as the seller, the lender as the borrower, and the debtor as his creditor. The earth shall be completely laid waste, and the earth shall be utterly spoiled: for the mouth of the Lord has spoken these things."

Do you see a pattern going on here? Those things which were ranked highest in the land of Israel (such as the priests, lords, etc.) would be on the bottom level, and vice versa. This has nothing to do with shifting the literal poles of the globe. This time when God would "pervert the face thereof" of the land of Israel was an imminent event for the nation after God spoke those words by the prophet Isaiah. The ordered structure of economics, religion, business arrangements, and employment would all be flipped upside down in the turmoil that was coming for the people of Israel.

Can this Isaiah 24 prophecy be fulfilled in a secondary sense after that imminent Babylonian destruction of the nation? Yes, I believe it has been, back in the AD 66- 70 era. Because Peter said in Acts 3:24 that ALL the prophets who had spoken had foretold of events that would take place in those first century days. That included Isaiah.

 

[3 Resurrections]

I don't care how many times you post this you are never going to be right about Jesus being tempted by an attitude and quoting scripture to himself. There are evil entities out there Jesus dealt with them we have to deal with them they are real and not attitudes or figments of imaginations.

You are on target that Jesus was tempted by Satan as an agency outside of Himself, and not by an "attitude" emerging from within Himself. You're correct; Christ was not having a conversation with Himself.

However, any fallen members of this Satanic realm are not presently a threat to us, and haven't been since God destroyed them all back in AD 70. Demon possession ceased back then when God promised that He would "cause the unclean spirits to pass out of the land" in Zechariah 13:2, subsequent to the city of Jerusalem's destruction in AD 70.

That first-century generation was wrestling with "principalities and powers, and the rulers of the darkness of this world", but that spiritual warfare battle with a loosed Satan and his devils ended back then in that generation when God slew that Dragon and burned Satan to ashes on the earth, as Isaiah 27:1 and Ezekiel 28:18-19 had predicted.

 

[Rella]

You are on target that Jesus was tempted by Satan as an agency outside of Himself, and not by an "attitude" emerging from within Himself. You're correct; Christ was not having a conversation with Himself.

However, any fallen members of this Satanic realm are not presently a threat to us, and haven't been since God destroyed them all back in AD 70.

Demon possession ceased back then when God promised that He would "cause the unclean spirits to pass out of the land" in Zechariah 13:2, subsequent to the city of Jerusalem's destruction in AD 70.

That first-century generation was wrestling with "principalities and powers, and the rulers of the darkness of this world", but that spiritual warfare battle with a loosed Satan and his devils ended back then in that generation when God slew that Dragon and burned Satan to ashes on the earth, as Isaiah 27:1 and Ezekiel 28:18-19 had predicted.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Try looking at these Isaiah 24:1-3 verses in the LXX. It says, "Behold, the Lord is ABOUT TO lay waste the world, and will make it desolate, and will lay bare the surface of it, and scatter them that dwell therein. And the people shall be as the priest, and the servant as the lord, and the maid as the mistress; the buyer shall be as the seller, the lender as the borrower, and the debtor as his creditor. The earth shall be completely laid waste, and the earth shall be utterly spoiled: for the mouth of the Lord has spoken these things."

So, our understanding is twisted up by translations? Then NO ONE possesses truth in the body of Christ?
Not buying.
We have the Scripture, and it was cared for by the Hebrews who kept and copied the oracles of God.
The best translation is the KJV.
God oversaw its making and dispensing.

Do you see a pattern going on here? Those things which were ranked highest in the land of Israel (such as the priests, lords, etc.) would be on the bottom level, and vice versa. This has nothing to do with shifting the literal poles of the globe. This time when God would "pervert the face thereof" of the land of Israel was an imminent event for the nation after God spoke those words by the prophet Isaiah. The ordered structure of economics, religion, business arrangements, and employment would all be flipped upside down in the turmoil that was coming for the people of Israel.

Scripture says otherwise.

Can this Isaiah 24 prophecy be fulfilled in a secondary sense after that imminent Babylonian destruction of the nation? Yes, I believe it has been, back in the AD 66- 70 era. Because Peter said in Acts 3:24 that ALL the prophets who had spoken had foretold of events that would take place in those first century days. That included Isaiah.

So, to destroy Babylon it was necessary for God to destroy the earth.
Nope.

 

[3 Resurrections]

We have the Scripture, and it was cared for by the Hebrews who kept and copied the oracles of God.
The best translation is the KJV.

Christ Jesus and the Apostles quoted the LXX often. What is good enough for them is good enough for me.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't care how many times you post this you are never going to be right about Jesus being tempted by an attitude and quoting scripture to himself. There are evil entities out there Jesus dealt with them we have to deal with them they are real and not attitudes or figments of imaginations.

You have backed youyrself into a theological corner with your stance on angels and that is affecting other things in scripture because the box you have placed yourself in does not allow Jesus to be tempted by who scripture says He was. You have to try to explain away reality because of the position you are married to in 2 Peter. On one hand I pray you never have to deal with a demon possessed person but then again it might be good for you to look into the eye of one who is truly possessed and have to with the sword of the Spirit fight your way out of that situation. If that ever happens I guarantee your theology will change faster than you can say "in the name of Jesus".

There are NO ANGELS that are sons of God.
But there is only ONE Only-Begotten Son of God.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
Heb 1:4–5.

There are NO ANGELS that are sons of God.
The sons of God are human in Genesis 6.

 

[3 Resurrections]

So, to destroy Babylon it was necessary for God to destroy the earth.

The "Earth" in scripture is very, very often referring specifically to the LAND of ISRAEL - the "promised land", and not to the globe at large. To a Jew, the land of Israel was their inheritance. Everything beyond those boundaries was a separate, outside category for them.

We even have God through Jeremiah 22:29 speaking to the land of Israel as if it were an animate thing: "Oh Earth, Earth, Earth, hear the word of the Lord..." This was a prophecy on that occasion spoken specifically to Judah.

We have to be very careful when reading prophecies directed to "the earth" that we are not accidentally imposing a condition upon the entire world and its inhabitants, when it very well could be only the land of Israel that was the focus.

 

[donadams]

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. 2 Peter 2:4.

The number of angels that sinned are one-third.

They are ALL "cast to hell, and delivered in chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment."

ALL the angels that sinned.

This means that any and all evil in the world is the result of the sinful nature in mankind.
And it is all-encompassing:

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only.
Gen. 6:5.

This explains a great deal, such as the sons of God who married the daughters of men were human, those from the Covenant line of Seth and the ungodly line of men and women who disobeyed the LORD.

Jesus seeing Satan fall as lightning was at the time God cast them to hell reserved in chains of darkness awaiting the judgment.

There is no Satan except as the word is used: adjective and noun - "adversary."

Matt 4 tempted by satan in the wilderness?

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

 

[donadams]

I disagree with this one statement. I hope that's OK.

Who were the sons of God?
In the book of Job we read...Job 1:6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

The book of Job in chapter 38 goes on to say:
6 On what were its foundations set,
or who laid its cornerstone,

7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

There were some "sons of God" (angels) that sinned...which left their first estate and married the daughters of men.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The offspring of these fallen angels were called Nephilim. The giants.

Not in the nature of angels to marry or have offspring

And the giants were already in the land before the offspring Gen 6:4
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[3 Resurrections]

And the giants were already in the land before the offspring Gen 6:4
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No, the giants were a result of the union between the angelic sons of God and daughters of men. Here it is in the LXX,which shows that the giants did not precede those forbidden unions between angels and human women.

"Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, THOSE were the giants of old, the men of renown." The word "THOSE" refers back to the giants that were upon the earth in those days, explaining just how that phenomenon had occurred.

 

[EarlyActs]

Not in the nature of angels to marry or have offspring

And the giants were already in the land before the offspring Gen 6:4
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Do you realize they are angels in revolt? They want to do anything and everything to God's creation which is the opposite of the commanded order. Like Prager writes about the Law on human sex: any form of it other than married male-female humans is condemned.

 

[donadams]

All the fallen angels are now dead. God killed Satan and destroyed the entire Satanic realm back in AD 70. Yes, pride had much to do with the different sins (plural) which the third of the righteous angels committed, causing their fallen condition. One of those sins was in taking human women to sire hybrid sons, since all angels in scripture are presented as male, with no way to propagate their own species among themselves.

Can anyone substantiate this response?
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[donadams]

No, the giants were a result of the union between the angelic sons of God and daughters of men. Here it is in the LXX,which shows that the giants did not precede those forbidden unions between angels and human women.

"Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, THOSE were the giants of old, the men of renown." The word "THOSE" refers back to the giants that were upon the earth in those days, explaining just how that phenomenon had occurred.

Already there before the offspring!

Line one: “giants”

Line four: “offspring”
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[donadams]

Do you realize they are angels in revolt? They want to do anything and everything to God's creation which is the opposite of the commanded order. Like Prager writes about the Law on human sex: any form of it other than married male-female humans is condemned.

How do you or he explain Abraham? Not married to Sara’s maid servant?

And Jacob had twelve sons by four women married to two at one time?
Not married to the maid servants
Lea (6)
Rachel (2)
Lea’s maid servant (2)
Rachel’s maid servant (2)

Where does it say angels marry? Or have offspring?

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