THE ANGELS THAT SINNED

[Keiw1]

No, no, no, and no.
Your calculations are off.

Not at all--The prophecy was-From the removal of the last king in Jerusalem=607bce, it says 2520 days, but that lasted way longer than 2520 days.( 70 years i believe) but applying a day for a year rule-2520 years-607+ 2520=1914=the establishment if Gods kingdom in heaven. Its why satan and his angels were tossed out forever.

 

[Red Baker]

I'm going to post later, I see I have a lot of reading I need to get caught up on, first.

RB

 

[Red Baker]

This still leaves Paul's mention in 1 Cor. 15:40 of "terrestrial bodies" (which are humankind) in contrast to "celestial bodies" (which are the species of created angelic flesh).

Your definition of "celestial bodies" is not what a celestial body is~celestial bodies are bodies or heavenly bodies which are "objects in space" such as the sun, moon, planets, and stars~not angels! Sir, they are not species of created angelic flesh! Need help call NASA.1 (202) 358-0001

I'll be right back to help guide you in Genesis 6~but guess where I'm going? To Jesus' words concerning Noah's day! He never mentioned fallen angels having sexual liaisons with women, resulting in a mongrel super race, which some call the Nephilim?

 

[Red Baker]

Red, you need to pay really careful attention to Genesis 6:3. God said, immediately after the verse about the sons of God marrying the daughters of men, "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is flesh..." This flesh of mankind's species is a different type of flesh than that of the sons of God. The two types of flesh are being mentioned by God in this one verse.

3 Resurrections~Greetings this Lord's day, I have read Genesis 6 many time sover in the last fifty years, and will continue to do as you said....

pay really careful attention

Good advice, but as you preach to me are you heeding Romans 2:21a~"Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?"

I think I fully understand these words: "My Spirit shall not ALWAYS strive with man~the meaning of the passage therefore is, that it is in vain for the Spirit of God to dispute with the flesh, which is incapable of reasoning. God gives the name of flesh as a mark of ignominy to men, whom he, nevertheless, had formed in his own image. And this is a mode of speaking familiar to Scripture.~why reason any longer with man, because he ALSO IS FLESH, and we know well what the scriptures said of flesh from Romans 8:5-8!

No, there is only one type of flesh mentioned in Genesis 6! The sinful flesh of man, void of the Spirit of God, which is incapable of submitting itself to the law of God, and indeed has no desire to do so.

Paul also compared these different types of flesh in 1 Corinthians 15:39-40. "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."

I have already dealt with this above, and left you a number to call to get help.

The celestial angels have one type of flesh bodies which was not intended to reproduce after its own kind. But some of the angels rebelled against this restriction for their species, and married womenkind in order to propagate a hybrid species for themselves, and corrupt the human gene pool.

3 Resurrections let look at Jesus' words when speaking about the days of Noah.

MAtthew 24: 37-39~"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

Jesus took the sins that those men were guilty of in Noah's day and described his days for us, to tell us they shall repeat themselves again "JUST AS IT WAS" BACK IN NOAH'S DAY! They were eating, drinking, marrying and given in marriage~just as we are saying~the sons of the righteous line marrying into the children of men. More later on this.

If this "sons of God" marrying the "daughters of men" was only ungodly human women marrying the righteous human males, there is no biological reason why this has ever resulted in giants being born to such unions.

3 Resurrections, that is simple to answer: giants not in the sense of status, but MEN OF RENOWN, know for their building and planting, etc! much like we see in our day. Men of old, where men of renown! Note: Moses does not speaks of all the men of this age; but of certain individuals, who, being stronger than the rest, and relying on their own might and power, exalted themselves unlawfully, and without measure much like men do in our day whom the world consider giants as far as what they have accomplished.

At one time America was a religious nation overall, but look at it now~where are those children of godly parents of old~they have married into the world and their children are the giants of Genesis 6! The wealth of the world is at an all time HIGH! But the true worship of God is at an all time low!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not at all--The prophecy was-From the removal of the last king in Jerusalem=607bce, it says 2520 days, but that lasted way longer than 2520 days.( 70 years i believe) but applying a day for a year rule-2520 years-607+ 2520=1914=the establishment if Gods kingdom in heaven. Its why satan and his angels were tossed out forever.

Picking and choosing a sovereign to begin your calculations doesn't do the job.
The Last Days began with the Advent of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2, around 33 AD.

 

[Wordsmith]

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I accept that the angels that sinned are locked up.

I realize that is what you accept but you are wrong in the theory that all of them are chained, and have been shown so from Daniel and Ephesians.

I also accept that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
We are created as flesh and blood. How is this resolved? Can you answer that we are flesh and blood and saved but at the same time cannot inherit the kingdom of God?

Yes I can ! Well actually I can point you to the words of Paul.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We are flesh and blood on this earth but when Christ returns we shall be changed into body like that of Jesus, flesh and bone with no need of blood.

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.


Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

You passage in Ephesians says that these principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness are OF THIS WORLD. Angels are not of this world.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


You miss quote to fit your narrative and avoid the truth of scripture. The passage says they rule the darkness of this world and are not flesh and blood so YOU are left with the problem of telling who they are since you avoid the common sense you tout.

The angels that sinned are locked up. Are you going to change Paul's meaning to say these are angels which are not of this world to suit your belief?

I do not have to change Paul's words as you did in Ephesians 6:12. The powers we wrestle against are not flesh and blood , they are rulers of the darkness of this world and they are spiritual wickedness in high places not chained up some where. It is you who must tell us who they are . You seem like you have no problem saying who they are not so try telling us whoo they are! Nobody I know of claim they are "of this world".

 

[Rella]

Yes. To me it does.

Well, I do understand.... makes it easier to discount anything I say.

Lets just say I am aka Ginger Rella, occasionally Cinder Rella.

 

[Hobie]

I would love to hear it.

My theory is the angels did it again with the women like in Gen 6...or...they are the offspring of one of Noahs sons wives who had Nephlim blood..

Need to read what scripture says especially when it comes from Christ...
Matthew 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:24-25
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I realize that is what you accept but you are wrong in the theory that all of them are chained, and have been shown so from Daniel and Ephesians.

Then you reject the Holy Spirit's words that the angels that sinned - and that includes ALL the angels that sinned - are locked up.

Yes I can ! Well actually I can point you to the words of Paul.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We are flesh and blood on this earth but when Christ returns we shall be changed into body like that of Jesus, flesh and bone with no need of blood.

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.


Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.



Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The Scripture says these forces are of this world.
Men are of this world, angels locked up are not. They are from heaven.

You miss quote to fit your narrative and avoid the truth of scripture. The passage says they rule the darkness of this world and are not flesh and blood so YOU are left with the problem of telling who they are since you avoid the common sense you tout.

That's correct. They are not flesh and blood but are mental. The attitudes of evil men are the ones in charge at this time and they are the rulers of this world.

I do not have to change Paul's words as you did in Ephesians 6:12. The powers we wrestle against are not flesh and blood , they are rulers of the darkness of this world and they are spiritual wickedness in high places not chained up some where. It is you who must tell us who they are . You seem like you have no problem saying who they are not so try telling us whoo they are! Nobody I know of claim they are "of this world".

Again, these forces are OF THIS WORLD, and since the good angels are in heaven with God and the angels that sinned are locked up, the only reasonable conclusion is that these forces at work are the result of the rulers of THIS WORLD and this includes MEN.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Well, I do understand.... makes it easier to discount anything I say.

Lets just say I am aka Ginger Rella, occasionally Cinder Rella.

Are you female, then?

 

[Rella]

Are you female, then?

If I tell you my pronouns are her and she, does that answer your question?

 

[Wordsmith]

Then you contradict God Himself. He says the angels that sinned - and that means ALL OF THEM - are chained up.

I did not contradict God Himself! You added to the Word of God in bold letters. "ALL OF THEM" is your private interpretation which is not in the text or the context of Scripture on this topic. There have been more than one sin of angels and at different times in history in fact those that work against the kingdom of God are still sinning.

So, seeing you ignore God's revealed truth to suit your belief

What you claim as God's revealed truth has not been revealed to many others throughout biblical history. This is your claim not accepted by many many others. Historically the angel explanation has been around far longer than this totally unprovable line of Seth theory which is a made up invention of man to ignore God's truth.

I can't take you seriously as a seeker of God's truth - which is what EVERY child born of God is and does.

There you go again questioning my salvation because I disagree with you! SHAMEFUL !

You could actually be taken more seriously if you could actually back up the "Line of Seth" nonsense with Scripture.

 

[Wordsmith]

Are you female, then?

What would that matter????

 

[Wordsmith]

Then you reject the Holy Spirit's words that the angels that sinned - and that includes ALL the angels that sinned - are locked up.

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

How many time do we have to go through this? It is you rejecting the Holy Spirit's words. THIS VERSE TELLS YOU WHAT THE SIN WAS! It was not the sin of rebellion that got SOME of them chained up.

 

[Rella]

I did not contradict God Himself! You added to the Word of God in bold letters. "ALL OF THEM" is your private interpretation which is not in the text or the context of Scripture on this topic. There have been more than one sin of angels and at different times in history in fact those that work against the kingdom of God are still sinning.


What you claim as God's revealed truth has not been revealed to many others throughout biblical history. This is your claim not accepted by many many others. Historically the angel explanation has been around far longer than this totally unprovable line of Seth theory which is a made up invention of man to ignore God's truth.


There you go again questioning my salvation because I disagree with you! SHAMEFUL !

You could actually be taken more seriously if you could actually back up the "Line of Seth" nonsense with Scripture.

Hey, Wordsmith,

Welcome to the club.

Last forum I was on questioned mine by 13 different people.... and all over a simple disagreement .

What would that matter????

If I am male, female or possibly trans?

My guess... twisting the meaning of 1 Cor 13:14 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

That eliminates the possibility that women actually do think

 

[jeremiah1five]

If I tell you my pronouns are her and she, does that answer your question?

Let me just say that God is not the author of confusion.

 

[Wordsmith]

The Scripture says these forces are of this world.
Men are of this world, angels locked up are not. They are from heaven.

This statement has noting to do with the quote you attached it to . Go back reread my post and try again.

 

[CrowCross]

Need to read what scripture says especially when it comes from Christ...
Matthew 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:24-25
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

OK???? I've heard this before...and once used it as an argument against the angels roll in Gen 6...You have to ask the question..does this apply to the angels that LEFT their first estate...lets say, heaven where there was no marriage...and entered into the realm of humans where they could marry and produce offspring?

Other things to consider is does "given in marriage"...mean having children? Obviously the answer is ..no.
Also....all the angels in the bible appear as male. So, how would marriage work for the angels "in heaven"?

 

[Wordsmith]

Hey, Wordsmith,

Welcome to the club.

Last forum I was on questioned mine by 13 different people.... and all over a simple disagreement .

If I am male, female or possibly trans?

My guess... twisting the meaning of 1 Cor 13:14 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

That eliminates the possibility that women actually do think

I am not one who falls for the nonsense and misuse of "women staying silent". Another controversy misused in some churches. We are all God's children and He can and does use whom ever He choses.

 

[Wordsmith]

Let me just say that God is not the author of confusion.

Correct but some who post are.