Jesus was never prayed to once in the Bible

[Runningman]

"The Spirit of Jesus" (Acts 16:7)

There is a "Spirit of Jesus" because people have spirits, but Jesus isn't the Spirit of God. The "Spirit" who is speaking to the churches in Revelation 2:23 is God. See Revelation 1:1 where it confirms Jesus' message to the church was given to him by God.

 

[Runningman]

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Repeat as many times as you wish and the result is still the same. If the message to the church is from God the Spirit (Revelation 1:1, Revelation 2:29) and then Jesus says "I am he" then he isn't speaking on his own behalf. He would be speaking on behalf of God. Thus, Jesus doesn't know or search the hearts of all because he isn't God.

If yours is a doctrine, please provide the foundation for it with a breadth of Scripture. If you have one single verse that doesn't even say what you explicitly assert it does then that isn't a doctrine, that's a dogma.

 

[grace2]

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

repeat until the cow comes home.

My position stands.

 

[brightfame52]

Repeat as many times as you wish and the result is still the same. If the message to the church is from God the Spirit (Revelation 1:1, Revelation 2:29) and then Jesus says "I am he" then he isn't speaking on his own behalf. He would be speaking on behalf of God. Thus, Jesus doesn't know or search the hearts of all because he isn't God.

If yours is a doctrine, please provide the foundation for it with a breadth of Scripture. If you have one single verse that doesn't even say what you explicitly assert it does then that isn't a doctrine, that's a dogma.

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Also, Jesus tells the Laodicea Church that as many as He chastens He Loves, another prerogative of God

Rev 3:18-19

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
CP Heb 12:5-6

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Job 5 17

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

 

[brightfame52]

repeat until the cow comes home.

My position stands.

I most certainly will, until I see you on Judgment day !

 

[Runningman]

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Also, Jesus tells the Laodicea Church that as many as He chastens He Loves, another prerogative of God

Rev 3:18-19

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
CP Heb 12:5-6

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Job 5 17

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

That's because there is a hierarchy. Jesus being chastened does not mean he is God because Jesus was also chastened in order to learn obedience. The Lord over Jesus is the Father, but the Lord over the church is Jesus, the one over their own family is also a chastener. Being a chastener doesn't preclude someone is God.

The idea being conveyed in all of the scriptures you referenced is that the message to the churches is still what was given to him by God to speak to them.

God has to be chastened into obedience?

Hebrews 5
8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered.

Parents are God for chastening their children?

Ephesians 4
4Fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath; instead, bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

These questions are rhetorical just to help get you on the right track. Your assertion is called a false dichotomy.

 

[Runningman]

I most certainly will, until I see you on Judgment day !

I hope you'll be there with us crying out to God who sits on the throne. It doesn't say the lamb is the God on the throne. I guess you don't believe this.

Revelation 7
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.
10And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”

 

[grace2]

I most certainly will, until I see you on Judgment day !

Do you think you cannot be judged?

You are still denying Jesus' authority to Judge.

Everything you guys brings up your heresy.

I can spot them right away.

 

[brightfame52]

That's because there is a hierarchy. Jesus being chastened does not mean he is God because Jesus was also chastened in order to learn obedience. The Lord over Jesus is the Father, but the Lord over the church is Jesus, the one over their own family is also a chastener. Being a chastener doesn't preclude someone is God.

The idea being conveyed in all of the scriptures you referenced is that the message to the churches is still what was given to him by God to speak to them.

God has to be chastened into obedience?

Hebrews 5
8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered.

Parents are God for chastening their children?

Ephesians 4
4Fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath; instead, bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

These questions are rhetorical just to help get you on the right track. Your assertion is called a false dichotomy.

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Also, Jesus tells the Laodicea Church that as many as He chastens He Loves, another prerogative of God

Rev 3:18-19

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
CP Heb 12:5-6

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Job 5 17

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

 

[brightfame52]

I hope you'll be there with us crying out to God who sits on the throne. It doesn't say the lamb is the God on the throne. I guess you don't believe this.

Revelation 7
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.
10And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”

Rev 6

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The Great Day of whose Wrath has come ?

 

[grace2]

Rev 6

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The Great Day of whose Wrath has come ?

we all know Jesus is given the power and authority to judge all of us. watch out for who is spreading the false gospel first of all.

It is nothing new, friend.

 

[Runningman]

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Also, Jesus tells the Laodicea Church that as many as He chastens He Loves, another prerogative of God

Rev 3:18-19

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
CP Heb 12:5-6

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Job 5 17

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

I asked you to show some Biblical support for Jesus searching the hearts of all people, but you seem to be conflating Jesus with God. God is the one who gave the message to Jesus to in turn give the message to the church. When Jesus spoke to them, he is informing them about what God said.

For example, after Jesus said what God told him to say, there isn't a verse about Jesus knowing the hearts of all or him chastening people. Chastening comes from God, hence why Jesus was himself chastened. The searching of all peoples' hearts come from God, hence why the Bible doesn't say Jesus searches all hearts.

The crux of your doctrine is that t doesn't have any Biblical support. "I search all the hearts" and " I chasten you" or "I am God" etc aren't things Jesus taught and it isn't something any of the apostles/disciples taught either. There are literally no quotes or actions by Jesus in the Old Testament either.

And yet we still have these gems...

John 12
49I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it. 50And I know that His command leads to eternal life. So I speak exactly what the Father has told Me to say.”

Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass...

Revelation 2
29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

[Runningman]

Rev 6

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The Great Day of whose Wrath has come ?

Ah, I see you're quoting from the KJV. Well, most version actually say "their wrath" not "his" wrath. In that way, you've conflated the Lamb with God who sits on the throne. Most versions word this verse in the following Biblically consistent manner because it's also grammatically correct with the translation. Only the BYZ and TR manuscripts say "His."

This allows them both to have wrath together and doesn't necessitate the lamb being God.

Revelation 6
17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

 

[brightfame52]

we all know Jesus is given the power and authority to judge all of us. watch out for who is spreading the false gospel first of all.

It is nothing new, friend.

He is God

 

[brightfame52]

I asked you to show some Biblical support for Jesus searching the hearts of all people, but you seem to be conflating Jesus with God. God is the one who gave the message to Jesus to in turn give the message to the church. When Jesus spoke to them, he is informing them about what God said.

For example, after Jesus said what God told him to say, there isn't a verse about Jesus knowing the hearts of all or him chastening people. Chastening comes from God, hence why Jesus was himself chastened. The searching of all peoples' hearts come from God, hence why the Bible doesn't say Jesus searches all hearts.

The crux of your doctrine is that t doesn't have any Biblical support. "I search all the hearts" and " I chasten you" or "I am God" etc aren't things Jesus taught and it isn't something any of the apostles/disciples taught either. There are literally no quotes or actions by Jesus in the Old Testament either.

And yet we still have these gems...

John 12
49I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it. 50And I know that His command leads to eternal life. So I speak exactly what the Father has told Me to say.”

Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass...

Revelation 2
29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Rev 2:23

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Also, Jesus tells the Laodicea Church that as many as He chastens He Loves, another prerogative of God

Rev 3:18-19

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
CP Heb 12:5-6

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Job 5 17

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

 

[brightfame52]

Ah, I see you're quoting from the KJV. Well, most version actually say "their wrath" not "his" wrath. In that way, you've conflated the Lamb with God who sits on the throne. Most versions word this verse in the following Biblically consistent manner because it's also grammatically correct with the translation. Only the BYZ and TR manuscripts say "His."

This allows them both to have wrath together and doesn't necessitate the lamb being God.

Revelation 6
17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

This is whose wrath you should fear

Rev 6

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The Great Day of whose Wrath has come ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

This explains where you stand. You are a trinitarian.

As I said, ignorance will label me a Trinitarian.

 

[grace2]

As I said, ignorance will label me a Trinitarian.

denial will not get you anywhere.

 

[grace2]

He is God

meaningless and empty claim.

bye.

 

[brightfame52]

meaningless and empty claim.

bye.

Say that at the Judgment when you stand before Him