Jesus was never prayed to once in the Bible

[Fred]

Got anything that says Jesus knows the hearts of all?

Sure do.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/mystery-of-the-most-holy-trinity.1317/page-4#post-52902

Thanks for making this easy for me.

 

[brightfame52]

And yet we still have nothing in the Bible says that says Jesus knows the hearts of all.

Rev 2 23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Only God can say that according to Jer 17 10

I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Its the Son of God speaking in Rev 2 23 we know that from Vs 18

18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

 

[Josheb]

And yet we still have nothing in the Bible says that says Jesus knows the hearts of all.

Nothing? Are you sure about that?

Does the Spirit of God know the hearts of all people?

 

[Runningman]

Sure do.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/mystery-of-the-most-holy-trinity.1317/page-4#post-52902

Thanks for making this easy for me.

Post it here. I am not clicking any links and looking at a different thread. So you used another comment to not prove what you're saying?

 

[Runningman]

Rev 2 23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

He is speaking to a specific group of people. He didn't say he searches the hearts of all. Another way of looking at this, since this is a message that God gave Jesus (Revelation 1:1) then Jesus is simply repeating what God said. In that case, it would be God, not Jesus, who is searching the hearts.

Only God can say that according to Jer 17 10

I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Correct. That means Jesus isn't God.

Its the Son of God speaking in Rev 2 23 we know that from Vs 18

18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Jesus' revelation to the churches was given to him by God. Jesus and God aren't the same person.

Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,

 

[Fred]

Post it here.

No. I already gave the link.

I am not clicking any links

Fine. Keep hiding.

 

[Runningman]

No. I already gave the link.



Fine. Keep hiding.

I'm calling you out and you think I'm hiding? Okay, keep telling yourself that.

 

[Fred]

I'm calling you out

Wow. This is intriguing.

Okay, keep telling yourself that.

No need to.
It's obvious.

Thanks for making this easy for me.

 

[brightfame52]

He is speaking to a specific group of people. He didn't say he searches the hearts of all. Another way of looking at this, since this is a message that God gave Jesus (Revelation 1:1) then Jesus is simply repeating what God said. In that case, it would be God, not Jesus, who is searching the hearts.


Correct. That means Jesus isn't God.

Jesus' revelation to the churches was given to him by God. Jesus and God aren't the same person.

Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,

It means the Son of God is God. He I AM HE

Rev 2 23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

You are the ones who is making up the unbiblical stuff.

You have tons and tons of them.

that's what happens when you don't know what the Bible says.

Post it here. I am not clicking any links and looking at a different thread. So you used another comment to not prove what you're saying?

Spoken like a true lazy mind. Closed mind. Know it all. Arrogance in the highest.

 

[grace2]

Spoken like a true lazy mind. Closed mind. Know it all. Arrogance in the highest.

Everything runningman says is true.

On the other hand.....

 

[Mr GLee]

It means the Son of God is God. He I AM HE

Rev 2 23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Remember the Son of man Jesus (dying mankind) has no power to rebuke the spirit of lies or power to raise the dead to new life

The words given to the apostle, prophet Jesus are the living words given to him by the father. His living words having the power of life and death .They are shown working in two ways. bringing life and death. . powerful words.

John 18:5-6 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

The first time above. . the power of the word I AM he they with Judas went backwards slain in the judgement

John 18:7-9 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

 

[Runningman]

It means the Son of God is God. He I AM HE

Rev 2 23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

I think you answered your own question, but didn't quite catch it. Revelation 1:1 says the message to the churches is what God gave to Jesus. Therefore, the message to the church in Revelation 2:3 would be the message from God, not the message from God. As you pointed out in Jeremiah 17:10, it is God who searches the hearts of all. Do you see that God and Jesus are not the same person in scripture?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I think you answered your own question, but didn't quite catch it. Revelation 1:1 says the message to the churches is what God gave to Jesus. Therefore, the message to the church in Revelation 2:3 would be the message from God, not the message from God.

The seven churches in Revelation are Jewish [home] churches. They are not Gentile churches because this prophecy is not to Gentiles but to the New Covenant Jewish church-fellowships in these various towns and cities populated by Jewish Christians. Every prophet in the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Revelation) was sent to the Hebrew/Jewish people except one: Jonah.
Everything in Revelation concerns Israel including the Temple, their history, their culture and religious practices. Even to the Return of Israel's Messiah in chapter 19 to fight alongside Israel and to defeat Israel's enemies (Zech. 14:1-4.) And those enemies of Israel are Gentiles (non-Hebrew/Jew.)

As you pointed out in Jeremiah 17:10, it is God who searches the hearts of all. Do you see that God and Jesus are not the same person in scripture?

No, not the same Person, but the same essence which is Deity. There are three Persons in the Trinity. Each Person is the essence of Deity. But all three Persons is One God. Co-equal.
This is not Sabellianism. This is not Modalism.

And Jesus did know the "hearts" of men knowing through His practical knowledge of Scripture to discern what is in man's thoughts by what comes out of their mouths.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Mt 12:36–37.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: Mt 15:19.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Heb 4:12–13.

What Jesus lacked in practical knowledge, which was limited (He did not know the day and hour of His return), He made up in His knowledge of the Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets. Teaching above that knowing Scripture one can discern body, soul, and human spirit in man, Jesus in this knew what was "in" man which is the same as knowing what is in men's "hearts" (more specifically, knowing their thoughts.)

 

[Mr GLee]

The seven churches in Revelation are Jewish [home] churches. They are not Gentile churches because this prophecy is not to Gentiles but to the New Covenant Jewish church-fellowships in these various towns and cities populated by Jewish Christians. Every prophet in the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Revelation) was sent to the Hebrew/Jewish people except one: Jonah.
Everything in Revelation concerns Israel including the Temple, their history, their culture and religious practices. Even to the Return of Israel's Messiah in chapter 19 to fight alongside Israel and to defeat Israel's enemies (Zech. 14:1-4.) And those enemies of Israel are Gentiles (non-Hebrew/Jew.)

He that has ear or an interpretation from the Father. Let him hear what the Father says to the sects, churches .Seven equals complete or perfect .No one know the number of sects .No importance to those who walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God .

There were hundreds or more sects called families or tribes during the first century reformation . Two or three gathering together under the hearing of his faithfulness (sola scriptura) He is there in the midst Again two of three the smallest denomination.

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings (Satan goal) His desire that dying mankind eulogize the dead flesh of dying mankind .

Revelation2: 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God

Not what the Spirit of Christ say to a outward Jew, dying mankind But what the Spirit says to the new name of the bride, Christian previously calling her Israel as in all of Israel is not born again mankind. Some remain unconverted as Jacob the deceiver.

Christian literally meaning resident of the heavenly City of Christ prepared for the one bride the church . named after her founder and husband Christ. A more befitting name to name the bride of al the nations of the world .

Some of the Jews outward after the dying flesh of Jacob the deceiver. Tried to use thier birth certificate hoping Jewish flesh could profit for something. Forgetting that Jesus said of his own dying flesh it profits for zero . Many disciples that hated the gentiles (off with their heads) were hoping dead flesh could profit. . . they no longer followed the Son of man Jesus our brother in the Lord .

The Bible the one source of the faith of God defines the words within. . not the church dying mankind .

GREEN (born again Jew new creation) .

BLACK (nothing changes nothing "dead faith ")

Romans 2:28-29King James Version27 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Revelation 2:9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[Runningman]

The seven churches in Revelation are Jewish [home] churches. They are not Gentile churches because this prophecy is not to Gentiles but to the New Covenant Jewish church-fellowships in these various towns and cities populated by Jewish Christians. Every prophet in the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Revelation) was sent to the Hebrew/Jewish people except one: Jonah.
Everything in Revelation concerns Israel including the Temple, their history, their culture and religious practices. Even to the Return of Israel's Messiah in chapter 19 to fight alongside Israel and to defeat Israel's enemies (Zech. 14:1-4.) And those enemies of Israel are Gentiles (non-Hebrew/Jew.)

I find it interesting the distinction you're making between Jews and Gentiles in Christianity when there isn't a different New Covenant based off of one's ethnicity. Do you think this is important to mention and, if so, why?

No, not the same Person, but the same essence which is Deity. There are three Persons in the Trinity. Each Person is the essence of Deity. But all three Persons is One God. Co-equal.
This is not Sabellianism. This is not Modalism.

If I understand you correctly, the essence is the deity. Is God a person or an it in your view? Also, do you consider yourself to be a Trinitarian?

And Jesus did know the "hearts" of men knowing through His practical knowledge of Scripture to discern what is in man's thoughts by what comes out of their mouths.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Mt 12:36–37.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: Mt 15:19.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Heb 4:12–13.

Exactly. The Bible is clear about what is in the heart of the common man. This isn't knowledge that would have been exclusive to Jesus.

What Jesus lacked in practical knowledge, which was limited (He did not know the day and hour of His return), He made up in His knowledge of the Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets. Teaching above that knowing Scripture one can discern body, soul, and human spirit in man, Jesus in this knew what was "in" man which is the same as knowing what is in men's "hearts" (more specifically, knowing their thoughts.)

Right, I agree with that, but that isn't the same thing as literally being the God. Jesus was himself "tempted in all ways" while God cannot be tempted.

 

[brightfame52]

I think you answered your own question, but didn't quite catch it. Revelation 1:1 says the message to the churches is what God gave to Jesus. Therefore, the message to the church in Revelation 2:3 would be the message from God, not the message from God. As you pointed out in Jeremiah 17:10, it is God who searches the hearts of all. Do you see that God and Jesus are not the same person in scripture?

It means the Son of God is God. He I AM HE

Rev 2 23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[grace2]

It means the Son of God is God. He I AM HE

Again, your ignorance of the Bible is showing vividly.

You are speaking like a core triune god believer over and over.

 

[Runningman]

It means the Son of God is God. He I AM HE

Rev 2 23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 1:1 says the message to the churches was from God. That would make Jesus the messenger. If Jesus says to the churches in Revelation 2:23 "I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts" then that would be the message Jesus gave from God, not the message from Jesus. That would mean Jesus doesn't search all hearts.

Let's settle this. Where is anything explicit and direct in the Bible about Jesus searching or knowing the hearts of all men? No one has found it yet after millennia. Please let me know when you do.

 

[grace2]

Let's settle this. Where is anything explicit and direct in the Bible about Jesus searching or knowing the hearts of all men? No one has found it yet after millennia. Please let me know when you do.

right on!!!!!!!!!!