Jesus is God {title edited}

[Odë:hgöd]

No one is judged yet.

Judging and Condemning are very similar, for example John 3:17-18 which says:

"God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the
world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does
not believe stands condemned already." (cf. John 3:36)

The Greek word translated "condemned" in that passage is the same word for
"judged" at Rev 20:12-13, which says:

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were
opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged
according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the
dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and
each person was judged according to what he had done."

When the two passages are juxtaposed, it's readily seen that the condemnation
spoken of by John 3:17-18 is an action in this life that places folks on the docket to
face judgment in the next life by the event spoken of by Rev 20:11-15.

However all condemnation can be easily avoided.

"I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me,
have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have
already passed from death into life." (John 5:24)
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[Runningman]

Judging and Condemning are very similar, for example John 3:17-18 which says:

"God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the
world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does
not believe stands condemned already." (cf. John 3:36)

The Greek word translated "condemned" in that passage is the same word for
"judged" at Rev 20:12-13, which says:

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were
opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged
according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the
dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and
each person was judged according to what he had done."

When the two passages are juxtaposed, it's readily seen that the condemnation
spoken of by John 3:17-18 is an action in this life that places folks on the docket to
face judgment in the next life by the event spoken of by Rev 20:11-15.

However all condemnation can be easily avoided.

"I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me,
have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have
already passed from death into life." (John 5:24)
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According to John 3:18,36 and John 5:24, the condemnation only applies to those who know about Jesus, heard the message, had a chance to believe, and then rejected it. It doesn't apply to people who have no idea who Jesus is. One may even say it's a mercy to not give what's holy to those who will only trample it and store up wrath for themselves on the day of judgement.

No one has literally been judged quite yet. The judgement to eternal life isn't now. It's all works based. God doesn't give immortality to people who live their life doing evil, sinning, etc. There can be the guarantee of the inheritance to eternal life, but not the actualization of it until later. It can also be lost, otherwise a works-based judgement wouldn't be necessary.

Luke 20
34Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

Romans 2
5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.

 

[Mr GLee]

No one is judged yet.

The time will come soon enough.

One appointment to die.. no retrial

Hearing the gospel as it empowers to believe. The gospel saves us. not or first birth dying flesh We are born without he hearing of faith "understanding of the invisible things of God" .Not lies as oral tradition of dying mankind

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Christs understanding given to us by faith His power. We have in effect by faith are judged by Christ . Christ suffered in judgment in our stead

The lamb of God slain from the six day God did work. Demonstrated over two thousand years ago

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all (by faith)appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

We receive the work of his labor of love as the reward he freely gives it to those born again from above

No retrial, double jeopardy. . over and over exposing him to public shame as if one demonstration of the dynamic dual is not enough.

 

[grace2]

Judging and Condemning are very similar,
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Are you saying some are already judged to be cast out?

You are wrong.

We will be judged according to what we have done when the time comes.

Read the book of revelation.

 

[Mr GLee]

Are you saying some are already judged to be cast out?

As many as the Holy Father gave the son of man, Jesus they were elected from the foundation of the world.

The other their flesh and blood returns to dust and temporal spirit given under the letter of the law (death) returns to God . They will not rise up on the last day under the sun.

I would offer in respect to the unbelievers it will be just as if they were never born the first time. . the sufferings ends here .

Two kinds mercies Satan would say one.

The mercy of God mixed with grace born again

The mercy of God that they suffer no more in the land of sufferings .

God himself subject to his living word . defining the word mercy. If he wasn't mercifully he would cease to be God eternal God is Mercy. God is Light .God is Love. God is Spirit.

James 2:13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

 

[grace2]

As many as the Holy Father gave the son of man, Jesus they were elected from the foundation of the world.

The other their flesh and blood returns to dust and temporal spirit given under the letter of the law (death) returns to God . They will not rise up on the last day under the sun.

I would offer in respect to the unbelievers it will be just as if they were never born the first time. . the sufferings ends here .

Two kinds mercies Satan would say one.

The mercy of God mixed with grace born again

The mercy of God that they suffer no more in the land of sufferings .

God himself subject to his living word . defining the word mercy. If he wasn't mercifully he would cease to be God eternal God is Mercy. God is Light .God is Love. God is Spirit.

James 2:13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

I have no idea what your point is.

 

[Eleanor]

According to John 3:18,36 and John 5:24, the condemnation only applies to those who know about Jesus, heard the message, had a chance to believe, and then rejected it. It doesn't apply to people who have no idea who Jesus is. One may even say it's a mercy to not give what's holy to those who will only trample it and store up wrath for themselves on the day of judgement.

According to Ro 5:18, all mankind is condemned, no exceptions but Jesus, and those of saving faith in him (Eph 5:8-9).

 

[grace2]

According to Ro 5:18, all mankind is condemned, no exceptions but Jesus, and those of saving faith in him (Eph 5:8-9).

So what are you saying?

Do you have a point in this comment?

 

[Eleanor]

So what are you saying?

Do you have a point in this comment?

See the post to which it was responding, in terms of what I highlighted in that post.

All mankind is condemned (Ro 5:18), not just those who have heard about Jesus and have not believed.

 

[grace2]

See the post to which it was responding, in terms of what I highlighted in that post.

All mankind is condemned (Ro 5:18), not just those who have heard about Jesus and have not believed.

So? you don't think God will not permit anyone in His kingdom?

What is the gospel for then?

 

[Eleanor]

So? you don't think God will not permit anyone in His kingdom?

What is the gospel for then?

No, I think what the NT states: that all mankind is condemned (Ro 5:18), except those who believe in and trust on the person and atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) for the remission of their sin and right standing with God.

Condemnation is not about "not hearing," for all mankind is condemned (Ro 5:18).
Only believers in Jesus Christ are saved from that condemnation.

 

[grace2]

No, I think what the NT states: that all mankind is condemned (Ro 5:18), except those who believe in and trust on the person and atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) for the remission of their sin and right standing with God.

Condemnation is not about "not hearing," for all mankind is condemned (Ro 5:18).
Only believers in Jesus Christ are saved from that condemnation.

There is no exception.

Jesus is the one who can judge who is His or not.

No one can self-claim to be saved.

You are not the Judge.

that's what I mean, you triune god believers are all so messed up.

 

[Runningman]

According to Ro 5:18, all mankind is condemned, no exceptions but Jesus, and those of saving faith in him (Eph 5:8-9).

It says they are condemned because they do not believe in the name of God's Son. They would have to hear about God's Son have a chance to believe. Therefore, they are not condemned.

John 3​

18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.​

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Paul, in Romans 10, lends theology to what Jesus said. They cannot believe in someone they haven't heard of.

Romans 10​

14How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach?​

 

[Runningman]

According to Ro 5:18, all mankind is condemned, no exceptions but Jesus, and those of saving faith in him (Eph 5:8-9).

Romans 5:18, 19 applies in a specific sense in regards to Adam. sin and death spread to all people from Adam and life can spread to all people through Jesus. It doesn't mean that you ate from the forbidden tree. Its doesn't exist anymore nor is God going to judge you about why Adam and Eve did what they did. People are judged on an individual basis for the choices they make.

 

[grace2]

People are judged on an individual basis for the choices they make.

Some sins are so clear too.

Like spreading god is triune.

So they need to come out of it if they want to be in God's kingdom.

 

[Fred]

It says they are condemned because they do not believe in the name of God's Son. They would have to hear about God's Son have a chance to believe. Therefore, they are not condemned.

False conclusion.

Romans 10​

14How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach?​

"The One" (which appears twice) in Romans 10:14 refers to Jesus.

 

[Arial]

It says they are condemned because they do not believe in the name of God's Son. They would have to hear about God's Son have a chance to believe. Therefore, they are not condemned.

John 318Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Romans 5 says the trespass of one man (Adam) led to condemnation for all men. Do you really believe that no one is condemned before God pre death and resurrection of Christ?

Romans 3 tells us that all are under sin (9-19) Verse 20 tells us the whole world is held accountable to God. We are told the same thing at the very beginning of creation, when we were made in His image and likeness and given our duties as His subjects. And given only one "Do not" command.

Paul, in Romans 10, lends theology to what Jesus said. They cannot believe in someone they haven't heard of.

Romans 1014How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach?

That is how the gospel is spread. How people are drawn to Christ. And Scripture does not lend theology to what Jesus said---what He says is theology, and from theology come doctrines.

 

[grace2]

That is how the gospel is spread. How people are drawn to Christ. And Scripture does not lend theology to what Jesus said---what He says is theology, and from theology come doctrines.

So what is your point?

Does what Jesus says count or not?

Spreading against Jesus' word does not count?

 

[Odë:hgöd]

~

You are wrong.

Important Safety Tip: Unless you sincerely believe yourself infallible, and/or channeling
God's thoughts; I strongly recommend you avoid telling people they are wrong lest the
hapless day arrive when you are forced to eat your words. Leave yourself avenue for
an honorable retreat instead of disgrace.

"I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless
word they have spoken. For by your words you will be innocent, and by your words you
will be condemned." (Matt 12:36-37)
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[Runningman]

False conclusion.

The Bible isn't false.

"The One" (which appears twice) in Romans 10:14 refers to Jesus.

Yes and the one who saves is God.

John 3
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.