The Biblical Meaning of "Son of God"

[Paul]

The Son is the proper recipient of prayer which proves he is the Almighty.

It proves God has exalted Him to His right hand and every knee will bow and declare Him to be Lord to the glory of God the Father.

The Father is also the proper recipient of prayer because He is the Almighty and if its proper for the Son then how much more proper to the God of the Son.

I pray to but mostly to Jesus but I know Him to be Gods Firstborn. I asked Him about the trinity.

 

[Fred]

It proves God has exalted Him t

Jesus affirmed latreuō is due unto God alone (Luke 4:8).

Listen to Jesus.

 

[Arial]

It proves He and the Father are one. In Him dwells all the fullness of the Deity.

What do you think in him means? What do you think "all the fullness of God"? If you refer to Col 1:19-20 the passage reads in various translations: "For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell." or "for it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;". Either God or Father. Not Deity.

What say you about the verses that precede that one? Col 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones of dominions or rulers or authorities---all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

[Arial]

I state the oneness that Jesus taught between Him and the Father -truth as given from above.

It is you who are deflecting.

If you think what I state is a lie prove it from scripture.

Are you denying the Trinity? That is what I asked. Does the above answer that question? The answer would be either "yes" or "no".

 

[Paul]

What do you think in him means? What do you think "all the fullness of God"? If you refer to Col 1:19-20 the passage reads in various translations: "For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell." or "for it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;". Either God or Father. Not Deity.

What say you about the verses that precede that one? Col 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones of dominions or rulers or authorities---all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. I believe Jesus was chosen before the world began not at the incarnation.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

 

[Paul]

Are you denying the Trinity? That is what I asked. Does the above answer that question? The answer would be either "yes" or "no".

I'm denying they are the one and same Deity. It is the Fathers Deity always. From Him all things come including His Firstborn. I am affirming that the Father is living in Jesus and that is the oneness He taught. But then again, I don't believe Jesus's was a newly formed human spirit in Mary's womb but his spirit had a beginning at some point in History before the world began. The Deity was gifted not formed. Yes, I stated beginning as in begotten. The only begotten God. OR the only begotten like to like Son of the Father.

John 1:18 Greek Text Analysis

In this context the Firstborn is God. He is ALL that the Father is.
He and the Father are one in the unity of the Fathers Deity how then could He NOT be God?

Theres the Son.
Then there's about that Son

 

[makesends]

You didn't read this:
Now this is eternal life that they know us the only true God.

What your stating is that Jesus Himself calling the Father the only true God is not useful who the true God is.

Noted

But I follow Him.

Are you going to answer my point?

What I was stating is that the "and" renders your point moot. But, since you think otherwise, I'm happy to deal with what you say, as though it was relevant: That Jesus refers to the Father, and that is, HIS Father, as the only true God, no more defeats the doctrine of the Trinity than anything else does —Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is never spoken of as another God. There is only one. And the three persons of the Trinity are all three, that one God.

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel" (God With Us).

"For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." —And right there is the Trinity, all in a description of the Son.

But I doubt you will admit it, in spite of all the Scriptures showing the same thing, you want the "natural" way of looking at things, defining God according to the humanocentric POV.

 

[Arial]

I'm denying they are the one and same Deity. It is the Fathers Deity always. From Him all things come including His Firstborn. I am affirming that the Father is living in Jesus and that is the oneness He taught. But then again, I don't believe Jesus's was a newly formed human spirit in Mary's womb but his spirit had a beginning at some point in History before the world began. The Deity was gifted not formed. Yes, I stated beginning as in begotten. The only begotten God. OR the only begotten like to like Son of the Father.

John 1:18 Greek Text Analysis

In this context the Firstborn is God. He is ALL that the Father is.
He and the Father are one in the unity of the Fathers Deity how then could He NOT be God?

Theres the Son.
Then there's about that Son

So, yes, you are denying the Trinity?

 

[Eleanor]

I am in Good company.

Denial of the Trinity is not good company (Mt 28:19)

 

[Paul]

Denial of the Trinity is not good company (Mt 28:19)

I don't deny the Father or the Son. Its God my Father and Jesus my Lord.

 

[Paul]

Are you going to answer my point?

What I was stating is that the "and" renders your point moot. But, since you think otherwise, I'm happy to deal with what you say, as though it was relevant: That Jesus refers to the Father, and that is, HIS Father, as the only true God, no more defeats the doctrine of the Trinity than anything else does —Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is never spoken of as another God. There is only one. And the three persons of the Trinity are all three, that one God.

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel" (God With Us).

"For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." —And right there is the Trinity, all in a description of the Son.

But I doubt you will admit it, in spite of all the Scriptures showing the same thing, you want the "natural" way of looking at things, defining God according to the humanocentric POV.

According to Jesus The Father is my God.
As in My God and Your God.

I believe Jesus has the Fathes nature and is all that the Father is. (God)
We disagree on how that is so.

 

[Paul]

So, yes, you are denying the Trinity?

I agree in part.

 

[Arial]

I agree in part.

There is no such thing as "in part" when it comes to the Trinity. A person can't redefine it to suit their beliefs and call it the Trinity. The Trinity is what it is.

 

[Eleanor]

I don't deny the Father or the Son. Its God my Father and Jesus my Lord.

Misrepresentation. . .which is dishonest

You deny the Trinity when you deny the divinity (Godhood) of the Father, or of the Son or of the Holy Spirit, which you do in denying the Godhood of Jesus.

 

[Arial]

I don't deny the Father or the Son. Its God my Father and Jesus my Lord.

There is only one Lord.

 

[Carbon]

It proves God has exalted Him to His right hand and every knee will bow and declare Him to be Lord to the glory of God the Father.

The Father is also the proper recipient of prayer because He is the Almighty and if its proper for the Son then how much more proper to the God of the Son.

I pray to but mostly to Jesus but I know Him to be Gods Firstborn. I asked Him about the trinity.

Well, Jesus is God, and the second person of the Trinity.

 

[Arial]

I have loved the lord and prayed to Jesus as far back as my memory goes and received answers. I now have white hair.

I worship God my Father and Jesus my Lord as is the will of God.

I have the spirit of Christ in me.

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