I had a great conversation with @Hazelelponi the past few days. We did not judge each other. We did not attack each other. We openly talked and in the end saw that we do agree on some things but not on others. And these differences are not so far we are not brother and sister in Christ because we are. And we should not tear each other down because we see things differently
No one is tearing anyone down. That is your perception, and it is unfortunate that you perceive it that way. No one is saying these differences mean we are not brothers and sisters in Christ. What is being dealt with is finding from scripture, and by doing the necessary work so that what we say is supportive of our view, which of the two views (in this case, though it has ventured off topic of the OP, primarily of which comes first, regeneration or faith.) Your view in which faith comes first is rooted in the belief that man chooses salvation for himself, or rejects it, by his own will. And that is not saying, that you are saying
you believe that salvation is not all of God. It is what it amounts to being, whether that is what you believe it is or not. But that aside, all anyone has been trying to do is show you from scripture that the Bible teaches that regeneration precedes faith, but that they come together at the same time. Chronologically the new birth is necessary for the faith. It is the idea that God would choose only some to give to Christ, and Christ only died for those some that he chose, that you are fighting against. If you were to acquiesce even for a moment, long enough to soak in the scriptural evidence being given, i.e. acknowledge that one thing, that indeed the Bible does teach regeneration before faith, the whole house of cards you have built would come tumbling down. So you don't examine the scriptural evidence we give or address it. And if that is what you want to do, then so be it. But there is treasure you cannot fathom behind that door you won't open. But we are never going to agree to disagree. We will continue to disagree. You can't ask us to stop just because you want us to.
I guarantee if I came in and spoke to people like they have spoken to me it would
Not end well for me
For example? Please stop making everything personal. It is a Christian apologetics forum.
I will gladly discuss the word. Knowing sometimes we say things that are oppressive and accusatory. Call Me out I will repent but let’s also Practice what we preach
See? Posting like this instigates what it is you are accusing others of. You are the one doing it. So take a breath and try to remember to leave things like this out of the conversation. In case you haven't noticed, my post responding to you began with a neutral and civil position discussing the issue and the ways in which it is being dealt with, and now here I am, having instead, if I respond, to be responding to remarks that have nothing to to with theology or doctrinal debates. WHich produces more remarks that have nothing to do with theology or doctrinal debates. There is no reason you should take offense at my saying that. No reason you should perceive it as talking down to you, insulting you or anything else against you personally. It is simply trying to make this a better place for all of us, you too, by pointing out how one thing leads to another.
The name of this chatroom is Christ centered
Let make Christ our center. Not our own personal Doctrinal beliefs. If this is a reformed chatroom it should say so.
Christ is the center of every response we make. There is in Christianity this thing called the Doctrine of Christ or Christology. It is crucial to all discussions and of necessity must be doctrinally oriented and doctrinally sound. A person should have personal doctrinal beliefs, based on the doctrines (foundation) of Christ's church as revealed in the Bible. That does not mean, as you seem to imply or believe, that if we have personal doctrinal beliefs it is not biblical but simply by name Calvinist or Reformed. Those doctrines were pulled out of Scripture and I agree with them for the most part. Most of the active members are Reformed but the site is not restricted to only the Reformed. It is a place however where we don't get brutalized everytime we post something, and so we are comfortable here.
If I made a post @makesends asking people to explain to him the truth of Gods word because he is not seeing it. I Am sure that post would either be deleted or I would be called out
It’s one thing to say can someone help him explain our view better
It’s another to accuse someone of
Not knowing the truth
You read "not knowing the truth" into his post. He said "you do not see it". Meaning you can't understand what he has been saying but maybe someone can say it in a way in which you are able to understand. There is nothing wrong with that and if you had posted the very same thing regarding another person, staff would never have seen it as you telling them they did not know the truth. There is something to be said for a person being overly sensitive and perceiving people and what they say in the worst possible light.
Grammatical force: