How Are We Saved?

[Eleanor]

when a person calls upon the Lord for salvation from a true heart they are saved the who so ever will/shall. see all through the years man has tried to improve the plan of salvation. when the Holy Spirit draws/speaks to us. the night i got saved i asked God to save me.. 3 simple word God save me. no big prayer no one saying repeat after me simply God save me and he did . when i got saved i knew nothing about the elect or anything else// i knew i was lost and need to be saved/ no 3 step plan Just me and the preacher and the Lord. i didnt even say Lord forgive me i am a sinner just God save me .

But you didn't do that in your own power, whether you knew it or not.

 

[Eleanor]

Depends on your definition of a TRUE HEART. An R.C. for instance would define a TRUE HEART as including the need for baptism for the forgiveness of sin. The thread is about the aspects of a TRUE HEART.
Like, I can say a person who DOES THE RIGHT THING will be saved, but what is THE RIGHT THING.

Isn't it rather a person who has the right thing, the regeneration of the Holy Spirit, who then "does" faith?

 

[Eleanor]

Ephesians 1:3-12 (KJV)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
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Selah’s thoughts: ”accepted in the beloved“ = The elect have already been accepted in the beloved, which is Jesus Christ. because God Himself did it before the foundation of the world. And He has already given us “eyes to see and ears to hear” — an understanding/wisdom—because He has already made it known to us! This is why the elect of God, once they hear the gospel, will always follow their Shepherd. They will always answer His call.
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The elect often don't respond to the gospel the first time they hear it.

 

[Selah7]

Through faith.

By Grace. God’s all-sufficient GRACE supplies the faith in Him. Selah

 

[Selah7]

The elect often don't respond to the gospel the first time they hear it.

Then they would not be the elect.

 

[Eleanor]

Through the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

The word teaches that we are saved by grace, through faith...
How is this grace and faith received you may ask.

We are convicted by the Holy Spirit of God when hearing the gospel message, and God the Holy Spirit who is the power of the gospel opens our hearts and minds to understanding our need of salvation through a perfect savior.
He leads us into repentance, and grants us faith through His grace and thereby imputes the righteousness of Christ to us.

Your poll is lacking in my opinion.

Maybe we should start with "saved." What is it?
It is saved from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on sin.

How are we saved from God's wrath on sin?
Through faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning work (Ro 3:25).

How does that work?
God counts the punishment due you for your sin as satisfied by Jesus' atonement on the cross.

Then what?
Your sin debt being paid, God declares you "not guilty," which is justification (Gr: dikaiosis).
Justification/righteousness are often called the same thing.
However, justification being a declaration of "not guilty," of right-standing with God, and not actual righteousness, it is a forensic righteousness of no guilt, a credited (imputed) righteousness.
Whereas actual righteousness is sanctification through obedience, which leads to righteousness leading to holiness (Ro 6:16-19).

Now aren't you glad you asked?

 

[Eleanor]

So does everyone Christ died for receive remission of sins on the merits of His death/Blood alone Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

They receive it only through faith in Jesus for the forgiveness of sin.

 

[civic]

The elect often don't respond to the gospel the first time they hear it.

So how does that work with Irresistible Grace ?

 

[Eleanor]

Well, for them to do that, they have to believe first, right? And yet faith comes by hearing the word of God and yet the Holy Spirit fell on the Gentiles that heard the word that by believing in Him is how they receive the remission of sins and so by the grace of God as a manifested work of God, we believe in Jesus Christ upon our being born again of the Spirit.

Still wrapping my head around that one. The Lord is enabling me to receive it by applying that truth to Acts 8:5-25 for how and why they did not receive the Holy Spirit yet even though they were water baptized in Jesus's name.

That refers to two different operations of the Holy Spirit.
The first operation is rebirth, the second operation is an empowering.

 

[Eleanor]

Then they would not be the elect.

Are there none for whom that was not the pattern of saving faith?

 

[Eleanor]

So how does that work with Irresistible Grace ?

Irresistible grace was not given to them the first time they heard it.

 

[fastfredy0]

Isn't it rather a person who has the right thing, the regeneration of the Holy Spirit, who then "does" faith?

Not sure I understand but ....
Chronologically, regeneration and saving faith occurs simultaneously
Logically, regeneration precedes saving faith

 

[Eleanor]

Not sure I understand but ....
Chronologically, regeneration and saving faith occurs simultaneously
Logically, regeneration precedes saving faith

You got it, logically that is correct.

 

[brightfame52]

They receive it only through faith in Jesus for the forgiveness of sin.

So they arent forgiven unless they believe first, even though Christ shed His Blood for them, correct ?

 

[ezra]

look i realize by now the majority is reformed/Calvinist doctrine. i did not join this to be told where i am in error on the plan of salvation . i can get this in carm . when i see terms like irestibale Grace that is a man made term . i will say this once more SAVED IS SAVED Jesus way truth life no other name given under heaven where by we must be saved when we get to heaven or better yet at our appointed time of death. the denomination/ doctrine name tag will either burn off going down or fall off going to heaven.
we will not hear in heaven enter in though well and faithful Calvinist or any other name tag

 

[ezra]

Irresistible grace was not given to them the first time they heard it.

tell you what show me scripture with this in it. -----"

Irresistible grace was not given to them the first time they heard it.

 

[ezra]

The elect often don't respond to the gospel the first time they hear it.

scripture that says these exact words

 

[ezra]

And who but the regenerate will call upon the name of the Lord?
Unless you have a scripture that teaches the natural man can and does call upon the Lord, I have to disagree with you.

Teaching a lost sinner can call upon the Lord and be saved is an attempt to improve the plan.

I think you were already saved.

and just might i ask how a lost man gets saved? he calls upon the name of the Lord just like i did when i said God save me

 

[Carbon]

and just might i ask how a lost man gets saved?

Of course. By God Himself. By grace, through faith. Eph 2:8.

he calls upon the name of the Lord just like i did when i said God save me

Once you are born anew you will indeed. Where and to who else do we have to go?

 

[ezra]

But you didn't do that in your own power, whether you knew it or not.

who made you the expert theologian ? i am well aware it was of my own power. but by my spirit saith the Lord im still waiting on scripture from the bible that has the words--

Irresistible grace was not given to them the first time they heard it.