How Are We Saved?

[Selah7]

Yes, in according to post # 5 as explained, the Father drew us unto the Son to reveal His Son to us and at the hearing of the gospel, He gave us to His Son to save us by His grace for how we had received faith & the Holy Spirit at the hearing of the gospel.

Thanks for sharing that we are saved by grace "thru faith".

You’re welcome!

 

[fastfredy0]

... senses disagreement caused by semantics rather than doctrine

 

[ezra]

But who saved us?

seriously ? you answer your own question by filling in the blank Grace and truth came through -------- i am not interested in a game of tag of questions / the plan of salvation is so simple a child can understand it. in fact a child will accept it and be saved quicker that many adults That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Are you then agreeing with @Sheila3 multiple votes in choosing #1 By faith in Jesus Christ & God raised Him from the dead and #4 By making a commitment to follow Christ & #5 By evidence of works as faith without works are dead & finally # 8 By repenting from sin(s) ?

Or are you differing from her votes in some way from how you say salvation begins with repentance and belief which are evidence of?

FYI @CrazyCalvinistUncle did vote for #1 & # 8 too, so maybe you are closer to if not totally in alignment to what he believes?

I would say belief and repentance is evidence of what the Father has done in giving us the Holy Spirit & faith when we heard the gospel for how we believe in Jesus Christ and are saved simultaneously when the Father did that. See post # 5 for scriptures testifying to that effect.

The commands are to repent and believe. Since there wasn't one choice with the two together I chose the two separate.

 

[Carbon]

seriously ? you answer your own question by filling in the blank Grace and truth came through -------- i am not interested in a game of tag of questions / the plan of salvation is so simple a child can understand it. in fact a child will accept it and be saved quicker that many adults That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I chose from the options given btw...There have been scriptural answers and formulations by scripture that are more apt for the OP of "How are we saved?".

 

[Selah7]

The way I understand it, it all begins with God’s grace. Why is He so gracious? because He loves us! Actually, God’s grace is the source of our faith. And what is it that we have faith in? It’s Jesus Christ our Savior!

 

[ChristB4us]

@ezra .... seems you brought up the same good point as below

Agreed. I also pointed out that there is a big problem if Christ did not arise from the dead and you verses add clarity to that point. That being said, the verse does not say one has to believe "Christ arose from the dead to be saved". For a practical matter, I don't think believer believes Christ is dead. I just propose that if someone thinks "Christ is dead", bizarre as that may sound, then that might not disqualify their salvation.

Well, according to this below;

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Believing even in His name can get them saved but I would have to wonder why the believer believes that He is dead still as there may be false teachers out there for why he or she may be under that false teaching or saying that he or she never bothered to check with scriptures about.

You make a good point. I myself said my point might be invalid per 1 Cor. 15:4.
I don't see the need to pray about it. I believe Christ is alive and every believer I know believe Christ is alive. I was just putting out a technical point to consider. I also showed that Calvin and Bavinck both said that salvation consisted more of certainty than discernment.

Good Thread

When we look to ourselves for discernment about our salvation, we would get doubts, but when we look to Him for that assurance, we have hope.

It is not about how serious we are since the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, but about how serious He is in His love for us to trust Him to do it not just for saving us by believing in Him, but by helping us t follow Him too by believing in Him.

 

[ChristB4us]

there is nothing to clarify by Grace through faith

It is that "faith alone does not save" part that I do not understand when by grace, faith came simultaneously with the Holy Ghost at the hearing of the gospel since faith is a fruit of the Spirit. That is how I see the Father giving us to the Son to be saved by Him.

 

[ChristB4us]

The commands are to repent and believe. Since there wasn't one choice with the two together I chose the two separate.

Okay. Well in relation to Acts 2:36-39 below I equate repent is repenting from unbelief for having crucified Jesus in unbelief, since believe is not mentioned in Peter's presentation of the gospel to the Jews.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And that is why repent is not mentioned but believing in Him is how one receives remission of sins & the Holy Ghost came on those that heard the word.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Since there is only one gospel and for Peter to preach the same gospel to both the Jews & the Greek, to repent is to believe.

Thanks for voting and replying, brother.

 

[ChristB4us]

The way I understand it, it all begins with God’s grace. Why is He so gracious? because He loves us! Actually, God’s grace is the source of our faith. And what is it that we have faith in? It’s Jesus Christ our Savior!

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[ChristB4us]

I would say belief and repentance is evidence of what the Father has done in giving us the Holy Spirit & faith when we heard the gospel for how we believe in Jesus Christ and are saved simultaneously when the Father did that. See post # 5 for scriptures testifying to that effect.

I would also like to point out that former believers are still saved just as those that fell away from the faith into apostasy or sinful living are still saved too, but this is why we are to call them to go before that throne of grace to ask Jesus Christ for help to discern the lies that turn them away from Him as well as turn them away from the sins that have corrupted them.

Where do I get that from?

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If anyone wants motivation to go to Jesus Christ for help, then consider the consequence for being left behind, & dying, and getting stripes.

2 Corinthians 11;7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

 

[fastfredy0]

Believing even in His name can get them saved but I would have to wonder why the believer believes that He is dead still as there may be false teachers out there for why he or she may be under that false teaching or saying that he or she never bothered to check with scriptures about.

Well, we all are under some false teaching (i.e. eschatology); some invalidate salvation while most do not.
Anyways, after further consideration (I was on the fence) I believe you are correct. One must believe Christ is alive to be saved.
Rom.10:9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. One can hardly make Christ one's Lord if one's Lord is dead. I liked your verse also.

When we look to ourselves for discernment about our salvation, we would get doubts, but when we look to Him for that assurance, we have hope.

Agreed. Yet, we all look to ourselves to understand what He said about assurance. Lord I believe, help me in my unbelief.

It is not about how serious we are since the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, but about how serious He is in His love for us to trust Him to do it not just for saving us by believing in Him, but by helping us t follow Him too by believing in Him.

Agreed

 

[brightfame52]

christb4us

How does one receive the remission of sins provided by Him?

They receive it by imputation first and foremost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Yes then they receive it by Faith, after they are born again, then they believe.

So did you understand my post with the scripture reference I made ?

 

[ezra]

christb4us



They receive it by imputation first and foremost.



Yes then they receive it by Faith, after they are born again, then they believe.

So did you understand my post with the scripture reference I made ?

wow here i thought who so ever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

 

[ezra]

when a person calls upon the Lord for salvation from a true heart they are saved the who so ever will/shall. see all through the years man has tried to improve the plan of salvation. when the Holy Spirit draws/speaks to us. the night i got saved i asked God to save me.. 3 simple word God save me. no big prayer no one saying repeat after me simply God save me and he did . when i got saved i knew nothing about the elect or anything else// i knew i was lost and need to be saved/ no 3 step plan Just me and the preacher and the Lord. i didnt even say Lord forgive me i am a sinner just God save me .

 

[Carbon]

when a person calls upon the Lord for salvation from a true heart they are saved the who so ever will/shall.

And who but the regenerate will call upon the name of the Lord?
Unless you have a scripture that teaches the natural man can and does call upon the Lord, I have to disagree with you.

see all through the years man has tried to improve the plan of salvation.

Teaching a lost sinner can call upon the Lord and be saved is an attempt to improve the plan.

when the Holy Spirit draws/speaks to us. the night i got saved i asked God to save me.. 3 simple word God save me. no big prayer no one saying repeat after me simply God save me and he did .

I think you were already saved.

when i got saved i knew nothing about the elect or anything else// i knew i was lost and need to be saved/ no 3 step plan Just me and the preacher and the Lord. i didnt even say Lord forgive me i am a sinner just God save me .

 

[fastfredy0]

when a person calls upon the Lord for salvation from a true heart they are saved the who so ever will/shall

Depends on your definition of a TRUE HEART. An R.C. for instance would define a TRUE HEART as including the need for baptism for the forgiveness of sin. The thread is about the aspects of a TRUE HEART.
Like, I can say a person who DOES THE RIGHT THING will be saved, but what is THE RIGHT THING.

 

[brightfame52]

wow here i thought who so ever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

They will be ! Now post 7 did you read it ?

 

[ezra]

its about salvation/the cross /Christ paid the price. not Calvinism or baptist our any other church denomination doctrine. Jesus way truth life. the apostolic teach baptism for remission of sins . in which they are wrong no amount water saves us.