Created For DESTRUCTION!

[Ghada]

Nephilim. . .Biblical offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" Believers and unbelievers

If the giants were abnormal in shape, then it was by blood, which had to be by the sons of God that are angels that sinned.

Both angels and men are created in the image of God, with power and right to choose to do good or evil.

Men are only a little lower than angels, by being fashioned bodily in natural flesh and blood, rather than angels with spiritual immortal bodies.

 

[brightfame52]

God does not tempt any angel nor man to sin, much less command it.

No angel nor man keeps any commandment of God by sinning against Him.

He decreed sin to enter to serve His purpose.

 

[Mr GLee]

If the giants were abnormal in shape, then it was by blood, which had to be by the sons of God that are angels that sinned.

Both angels and men are created in the image of God, with power and right to choose to do good or evil.

Men are only a little lower than angels, by being fashioned bodily in natural flesh and blood, rather than angels with spiritual immortal bodies.

Its not giants (renown) in stature. it is Giant in importance hero's

Again no such invisible creation called Angel. God creates after kinds,

Human (messenger") from the Greek word (Angelos ) How beautiful are the feet of a apostle sent a messengers to preach the gospel

 

[Josheb]

If they are not natural men and women, but estranged and alien, then they are not the offspring of natural men and women, but that of angels and natural women.

Angels are called sons of God, and the angels that sinned did so with natural daughters of men.

The teaching is that they sought to alienate the bloodline of natural man from the promised seed Christ. Noah and his sons would have been the only natural seed left on earth. The flood was not only to save Noah from the wickedness of the wicked, but also from the alienated blood of an earth full of giant Nephilim.

We know they were all destroyed by the time of Paul, when Scripture declares all nations of earth are of one blood, by Adam through Noah.

Were the articles read?

 

[Ghada]

He decreed sin to enter to serve His purpose.

That's the god of this world.

 

[Ghada]

Its not giants (renown) in stature. it is Giant in importance hero's

And yet the latter giants are huge in size.

 

[Ghada]

Feel better now?

Well, he may be one of those created for destruction.

So, perhaps.

 

[brightfame52]

Another scripture that teaches some men were ordained, predestinated to condemnation is Jude 1:4

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ordained by who ? By the Lord God ! That word ordained means to:

designate, appoint, assign, determine

So God designated them to this condemnation before they were even born. So they were born into the world to suffer this condemnation by the Purpose of God ! 2

 

[Ghada]

Were the articles read?

Perused. I liked the Star Trek part.

Nothing is shown from the Bible to prove either way. So far, without Bible evidence, this is one of those private interpretations that can be argued, but not preached as truth of Scripture.

Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

We see that it had nothing to do with faith and character of the women, and so if they were the righteous, then they forsook the Lord and His righteousness for hot babes.

Also, they took the women at will, seemingly without any resistance nor choice from the women nor their fathers and brothers. This implies a power than natural man cannot resist nor defend against. Angels.

Gen 6:3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

We see a beginning of rebellion, griefs, and sorrows by turning from the Lord in greater numbers on earth.

Gen 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Now we have giants distinct from the offspring of renown, and being on earth before the sons of God took to marrying women by their looks alone.

And so, at this point I would say the sons of God could easily have been the righteous on earth forsaking the Lord for the flesh, and producing mighty men of renown, like the mythological golden age heroes of old.

Gen 6:5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

But their mightiness was in evil, not good. The Bible often uses the words mighty and great for both good and evil. In this case, it is only evil continually.

However, the giants are left unaccounted for. I could conclude at this point, that the giatns were from the angels that sinned, and the wicked men of renown were from sons of God forsaking the Lord for the flesh.

That could explain why there were later giants on earth after the flood, that could not have been by the blood of Noah. They are unaccounted for in generation on earth, but are physical giants. Which would post-prove the same for the preflood giants.

It would also possibly show the sin that the angels sinned, in producing offspring on earth by women.

I believe a strong key here is knowing from Scripture, that the giants were on the earth before the sons of God married outlandishly hot daughters. Their generation is unaccounted for.

2Pe 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2Pe 2:5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

We see a here that the angels sinned, were judged, and cast into hell at the same time of the world just before the flood. We also see Noah was the only son of God remaining faithful to the Lord and His righteousness, along with perhaps 2 of his sons.

And so, I'd say the angels first sinned with women to produce giants on earth, and then the sons of God sinned with stunning beauties more than glad to be taken by them. (The same as the children of Israel in the matter of Peor)

Perhaps they were the female offspring of angels and women, whose physical result is beauty rather than brawn. And perhaps they were purposely used to seduce the sons of God. Perhaps their offspring were famous for slaying the giants.

One thing is for sure, this is where the Scriptural record is corrupted by the devil into the mythologies of ancient heroes and demigods, with warring of gods, men, and giants.

In particular, the casting of the Titans into Tarturus and chained, is near exactly lifted from the truth, that the sinning angels were cast into hell (tartaro) and chained in darkness for judgment. Tartarus is the deepest dark prison in the earth, which answers to hell (gehenna) in the Bible.

Luk 12:5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

 

[Josheb]

Perused.

Then do not 1) post as if the content was read or 2) post to me until it has all been read. Don't be disingenuous with me. Aliens from other worlds has nothing to do with Nephilim. I'm glad the time to peruse it was taken, and I am appreciative, but that's not enough.

Just so you know.... I think @Mr GLee is partly correct but mostly incorrect. Yes, the word "angel" is an English word and the Hebrew and Greek communicate something different BUT the larger texts and contexts of the passages tells us whether the messengers are ordinary humans or something else. Ordinary humans cannot appear and disappear. Ordinary humans cannot near-instantly move Jesus from the wilderness to the top of the temple. There is a heavenly host and an earthly host and the two are not identical. Neither are they homogenous in and of themselves. I also think you have it wrong, too. The fact is angels who did not keep their proper abode have been held in bonds of eternal darkness awaiting their day of judgment. They are not free to roam the earth and procreate with female humans. Glee is correct: God made each creature to procreate according to its own kind. Angels cannot procreate with humans any more than oysters can procreate with elephants or bananas. Two guys with mistaken beliefs are not going to find agreement, and if they do then it will be with some mistaken hybrid of mistaken beliefs.

I don't want to get caught up in the conversation the two of you were having. I was just trying to contribute some information that might prompt some change in thinking AND possibly help the two of you find consensus with well-rendered scripture.

So, both of you read the articles and give some actual, sincere and deliberate thought to their content.

 

[Ghada]

Another scripture that teaches some men were ordained, predestinated to condemnation is Jude 1:4

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ordained by who ? By the Lord God ! That word ordained means to:

designate, appoint, assign, determine

So God designated them to this condemnation before they were even born. So they were born into the world to suffer this condemnation by the Purpose of God ! 2

It's a fair Scripture to offer, but the argument is taken too far, in order to insert a personal teaching. It says nothing of being created and born to being creepy men corrupting the grace of God.

The only thing ordained is the punishment for such creeps.

The bottom line is that the thread's teaching rejects basic truth of Scripture in two ways:

Christ is the maker of all souls in His image. His image is not sinful, nor does He make sinners in the womb. God does not even tempt with sin, much less decree and ordain it for any creature He creates, especially not those made in His own good and holy image.

Like many personal teachings that try to strongarm God into agreeing, they strain at producing gnats out of some Scripture, while swallowing whole camels of truth in Scripture.

Also, I've never met anyone preaching this stuff, that ever volunteered themselves as examples of the destruction lot. Do you?

 

[brightfame52]

It's a fair Scripture to offer, but the argument is taken too far, in order to insert a personal teaching. It says nothing of being created and born to being creepy men corrupting the grace of God.

The only thing ordained is the punishment for such creeps.

The bottom line is that the thread's teaching rejects basic truth of Scripture in two ways:

Christ is the maker of all souls in His image. His image is not sinful, nor does He make sinners in the womb. God does not even tempt with sin, much less decree and ordain it for any creature He creates, especially not those made in His own good and holy image.

Like many personal teachings that try to strongarm God into agreeing, they strain at producing gnats out of some Scripture, while swallowing whole camels of truth in Scripture.

Also, I've never met anyone preaching this stuff, that ever volunteered themselves as examples of the destruction lot. Do you?

They're ordained to condemnation, born to it, written in the decrees of God

 

[Ghada]

There is a heavenly host and an earthly host and the two are not identical.

Not in bodies of spirits vs bodies of flesh and blood. But in power to choose to do good and evil, Scripture reveals exactly the same power for angels and men: Either loving God from the heart, or lusting against God in the heart.

Isa 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

Jas 1:14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

The fact is angels who did not keep their proper abode

Thanks. That's another Scripture leading to angels mating with women to produce giants on earth, before the sons of God forsook His will for smoking hot babes, that had not the faith of righteous Abel.

Jde 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jde 1:7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

We see where Scripture unifies angels leaving their first estate in heaven, with strange flesh on earth.

At this point, without any Scripture specifically saying so, I would teach angels sinned and produced giants on the earth by natural flesh and blood women. And that was before the flood, sometime before the righteous sons of God forsook His faith for beautiful flesh and blood, to produce great men of evil renown over all the earth.

Who may also have killed the giants from the face of the earth.

They are not free to roam the earth and procreate with female humans.

True. Not now. But I'm only speaking of the past, before the angels sinned and were cast into chains and darkness of hell.

Glee is correct: God made each creature to procreate according to its own kind.

True. And we also know angels could always come to earth in the physical form of men, eating and drinking with men and women on earth.

Them sent by the Lord did His will for His purposes, not to have sex with the women folk.

And they still come to earth today from the Lord:

Heb 13:2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Angels cannot procreate with humans any more than oysters can procreate with elephants or bananas.

So says the book of Josheb.

Two guys with mistaken beliefs are not going to find agreement, and if they do then it will be with some mistaken hybrid of mistaken beliefs.

So will two teaching Scripture truth, and another not. But two can't both be teaching doctrine of Christ, and disagree at the same time.

I was just trying to contribute some information that might prompt some change in thinking AND possibly help the two of you find consensus with well-rendered scripture.

Not possible. Not so long as anyone accuses Christ of creating sinners in His own sinful image, and then commanded by God to sin unto death and destruction.

However, I would agree with such doctrine from other christs and gods. That would fit perfectly with the christ and god of this world, who would have all men to repent not, and be destroyed by righteous judgment of their own sinful works.

 

[Ghada]

They're ordained to condemnation, born to it, written in the decrees of God

Scratch the 'born to it', and we both agree with the Scripture.

Rev 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 

[Josheb]

There is a heavenly host and an earthly host and the two are not identical.

Not in bodies of spirits vs bodies of flesh and blood.

Scripture proves otherwise.

1 Corinthians 15:35-41
But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?" You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

Not all spiritual bodies are identical, any more than all earthly bodies are all identical.

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven.

Mark 12:25
For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

We will be like angels in the fact we no longer give/are given in marriage, but we will not be angels. Our bride will be Christ, not an angel or another human. Furthermore, angels are not made in God's image. Angels who sin have no redemption or forgiveness. They have no resurrection. We will not even be the same for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

In bodies of spirits and bodies of flesh and blood the two are not identical.

 

[Josheb]

The fact is angels who did not keep their proper abode have been held in bonds of eternal darkness awaiting their day of judgment. They are not free to roam the earth and procreate with female humans.

Thanks. That's another Scripture leading to angels mating with women to produce giants on earth, before the sons of God forsook His will for smoking hot babes, that had not the faith of righteous Abel.

No, it is not.

There is no bondage where a creature is free to have sex with creatures of another kind. That premise is prima facie absurd.

Genesis 1:11-24 (excerpted for space)
Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.... Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens." God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good. God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth...." Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.

The created creature reproduces according to its kind. Humans can (and do) have sex with other creatures but it never produces progeny, hybrid or otherwise.


Did you finish reading those articles?

 

[Ghada]

Scripture proves otherwise.

1 Corinthians 15:35-41
But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?" You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

Not all spiritual bodies are identical, any more than all earthly bodies are all identical.

Confusing angel with celestial. While men are included with other natural bodies on earth, and angels are not mentioned with moon and stars.

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven.

Mark 12:25
For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

We will be like angels in the fact we no longer give/are given in marriage, but we will not be angels.

True. We are not like angels with hearts to love or rebel against God. Gave the Scripture for it.

Our bride will be Christ, not an angel or another human.

True. Not sure how it fits here, but true.

Furthermore, angels are not made in God's image.

Scripture doesn't say it, nor do I. But Scripture does say angels have hearts to love or lust against God, the same as men and women on earth.

We are made a little lower than the angels, but being made with natural bodies down on earth, that than being made with spiritual bodies in heaven.

Angels who sin have no redemption or forgiveness. They have no resurrection.

True again. Still don't see the point, but still true.

We will not even be the same for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

True again.

In bodies of spirits and bodies of flesh and blood the two are not identical.

And one more true.

I'm not sure who is saying that men are angels, and we have the same kind of bodies now on earth. At least not yet. The man Christ Jesus has the same kind of eternal spiritual body as all angels, and so will them that are resurrected in His likeness.

Also, angels can come to earth in the form of men and women, including eating and drinking, but I trust no more sex.

 

[Ghada]

There is no bondage where a creature is free to have sex with creatures of another kind.

True enough. I'm still speaking of recorded history in the Bible though. You seem to want to bring it to argue something in the present.

The created creature reproduces according to its kind. Humans can (and do) have sex with other creatures but it never produces progeny, hybrid or otherwise.

All angels in the Bible are men, that can eat and drink and have intercourse with people. Sexual congress cannot be ruled out, unless Scripture says so.

The Scriptures speak of angels leaving their first estate, which is spiritual bodies, to have natural bodies on earth, and immediately follow with condemnation of have sex with strange flesh.

it's good enough for me, without having Scripture explicitly say so. Afterall, no Scripture explicityly says Jesus Christ is God the Son.

Did you finish reading those articles?

As I said, I perused enough to know it was an argument for one thing, without showing any Bible proving it.

 

[brightfame52]

Scratch the 'born to it', and we both agree with the Scripture.

Rev 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Being born to it is indispensable

 

[Ghada]

Being born to it is indispensable

For your doctrine, sure. Not mine.

So, are you one of them born to it?