Created For DESTRUCTION!

[CrowCross]

Because I know and love Jesus, and know that He is God.

Ok.

That can't be known, or spoken of, without the Holy Spirit (God).

Ok

The Holy Spirit doesn't enter children of the devil. They are children of disobedience and rebellion.

This you will have a hard time biblically proving. In a sense that's who all pre-christians were.

And, as stated in the OP, God has no desire to save them and will not speak any Truth to them.

God has spoken Truth to me for years now; and that includes THIS Truth.

Basically if you could trace your genealogy back to Cain....your done? No salvation? Is that what you're expressing?

 

[CrowCross]

Not sure why you say "Yes however ...".

How does your post disagree with the OP?

Isn't the devil said to do many things in the Bible that God takes credit for?

"I form the light and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Isaiah 45:7

The bible doesn't really say create evil. Calamity is a better term.

 

[Arial]

This is the common party line, the story that all churches teach.

It doesn't add up to Scripture though.

Jesus says in Jn. 6:70 that He chose twelve and ONE of them was a devil.

Jesus wouldn't choose 12 devils to broadcast His sacred Gospel message and there's no indication there at all that He changed them after He chose them.

He selected 11 sheep and ONE goat.

Jesus says "only go to the lost sheep of Israel". He never gives any impression they should just gather up a random group of goats and He will transform/convert them.

"This is the common party line, the story that all churches teach" is not a valid anything, certainly not an argument.

But this "party line" is directly from the Scripture. Eph 2:1-10 for example; or Romans 3:9-18; or 1 Cor 15:22; or Romans 5:6-19. If you do not believe that those scriptures teach that all are born as sinners, then just to say they do not is not adequate. We all are full of opinions. For the sake of preaching truth, you would need to show how the "common party line" has gotten it wrong. Line by line, precept upon precept.

 

[CrowCross]

The demons generated new species, new mixed breed creatures by mixing DNA.

Is this Gen 6?

 

[STAND]

Every time Jesus spoke He spoke truth and the vast majority of His audiences didn't believe Him. That is why a great deal of the time He spoke these truths in parables, as He Himself explained. So the deaf would not hear and understand and the blind would not see and turn.

You're tip-toeing over a pretty glaringly significant point here, though.

Why did Jesus NOT want to save these people?

Why did Jesus say there were mysteries of the kingdom that were specifically for His disciples, but these people had no right to that information? And don't forget everything else He says in Matt. 13 like so many other preachers today love to leave out.

He states clearly in Matt. 13:38-39 that the Tares are the children of the wicked one, the devil.

He makes an undeniable distinction between these specific people and others.

 

[STAND]

Is this Gen 6?

Why was Esau red and hairy at birth?

Why did God HATE him while he was yet in the womb?

He was fundamentally different, inherently different than Jacob.

 

[Sheila3]

What you miss is that God created the wheat to belong to Jesus. Jesus says a number of times that the people He dies for are those the Father has given Him. And the tares are those who were not created to belong to Him, and He blinds. Those are the ones Jesus never intended to save and did not save. Being a child of the devil simply means you serve the world, the flesh, and the devil, instead of God. Eph tells us that all, everyone of us, is born in Adam and as such are sinners, are in fact dead in our trespasses and sins unless God by the Holy Spirit gives us a new birth placing us in Christ. And until that happens, even though God knows all the wheat and all the tares by name, the wheat remains in Adam until the appointed time. They still must come to Christ in faith, and it is guaranteed by the faithfulness of God, that they will.

No, I did not miss the difference between the wheat and the tares or the good grapes from the sour grapes. Or when Jesus said that a thief "snuck" in in the night and sowed tares among the wheat.

I know what has been taught throughout the centuries of what being a child of the devil is supposed to mean one serves him. Churches had to accept what was taught but now some churches are beginning to see and understand scripture a bit differently and speaking out believing there are actual offsprings of the devil and the fallen Watchers actually walking the Earth. Genesis 6 indicate there is.......

Even what you're saying that God created some people for destruction, is not a teaching that has been passed down from generation to generation.

There is nothing that I've ever read in Scripture or that even indicates God created some people "especially" for destruction. But it do specify the destruction of many of his human creations.

But just like I know that in Judaism they believe that the devil is not an adversary of God but is agent working for God. Render other beliefs that differ from Christianity. And it was theirs before Christians come along.

Who Is Satan? - Outreach Judaism

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outreachjudaism.org

Christianity has a few denominations because of different theologies. We have pointed out our views and hopefully it is agreed that we disagree on some points.

 

[Sheila3]

Yes. Fully supported by the book of Enoch who also speaks of them tampering with animal DNA; mixing and creating new mixed species, etc.

A close look at Matt. 13 reveals something that most churches will never teach or even admit exists in the Scriptures. Many will teach Matt. 10-15 WITHOUT even mentioning the rest of the chapter that explains all of what they call 'mysteries'.

For instance, they say it's a mystery what verse 13:12 means, "... whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath."

This is clearly explained in verse 19. This is speaking of faith and the children of the devil. It says that if they have even the smallest amount of faith, if they've maybe heard some truth and are trying to make sense of it, the devil himself will literally take it away from them, he will remove it completely from their awareness. They are his children and Truth is poison to them.

It also says in verse 15 that Jesus will not even speak Truth in front of these people because He literally doesn't WANT them to hear, understand, repent and then He'll have to heal them.

Does that sound remotely similar to anything churches have been teaching for the last century?

Absolutely not because it is a Truth they don't want us to know.

I agree _ some of the experimentations that the Watchers did with animals and man may have been some of the things of mythology - half man half goat / half man half horse/ mermaids /merman / and such trolls etc. Which were destroyed in the flood.

 

[Sheila3]

The bible says...KJV...And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

So, Eve had sex with the serpent...then had dinner?

Eve then " gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it."....Adam also had sex with the serpent?

Are you sure it's not you making the assumptions?

I'm quite sure it's not me making the assumptions..... Strong's concordance identifies the Hebrew word also means seduce.

And it wasn't a serpent - serpent one of the names for the one we called the devil - serpent / dragon / Lucifer / Satan the accuser / the evil one / etc And if an angel can have the form of man what can the devil do?

Since you're throwing sarcasm in a humorous way out ___ no she ate dinner first - then had sex with the devil - then went and gave her husband the fig - then had sex with her Adam.

Adam having sex with the serpent _ more sarcasm _ are you saying Adam practice homosexuality.

My assumptions golly gee why is all of this writing about people asking questions did Eve and Satan have sex, what's your name and there are many more Christian organizations addressing that issue ---- no not my assumptions but I do not dismiss the possibility.

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https://carm.org/about-demons/did-satan-have-sex-with-adam-or-eve-in-the-garden/

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[Arial]

No, I did not miss the difference between the wheat and the tares or the good grapes from the sour grapes. Or when Jesus said that a thief "snuck" in in the night and sowed tares among the wheat.

That post wasn't addressed to you.

I know what has been taught throughout the centuries of what being a child of the devil is supposed to mean one serves him

You say that as though the Bible was not the source of Christian doctrines. It is an invalid argument. A fallacy---which is the predominant approach of theories that have no legitimate biblical basis but are pure speculation.

Churches had to accept what was taught but now some churches are beginning to see and understand scripture a bit differently and speaking out believing there are actual offsprings of the devil and the fallen Watchers actually walking the Earth. Genesis 6 indicate there is.......

You say that as though no one has a brain and cannot read. No one has to accept anything. Seeing things a bit differently does not make something right. There is nothing in the Bible that declares there are actual offspring of the devil or fallen Watchers walking the earth. Sons of God Gen 6 has three main interpretations and the giants and mighty men are determined by how one interprets sons of God. I can give them if you are interested. One of them stays consistent with the unified story of redemption that never leaves a single page of Scripture. The other two produce inconsistencies. What you are proposing make this account an isolated anomaly, that has no reference anywhere else in Scripture. Jesus tells us angels to not marry, are not male or female in Mark 12:25. Your view, if put into its full context has sons of God being extremely ungodly. Sons God are likely the sons of Seth, the Seed bearer of Christ, contrasted with the ungodly line of Cain.

Even what you're saying that God created some people for destruction, is not a teaching that has been passed down from generation to generation by the church nor is it found in the Bible - if it is please tell me where?

Romans 9:22

But just like I know that in Judaism they believe that the devil is not an adversary of God but is agent working for God. Render other beliefs that differ from Christianity. And it was theirs before Christians come along.

So what?

 

[brightfame52]

Not sure why you say "Yes however ...".

How does your post disagree with the OP?

Isn't the devil said to do many things in the Bible that God takes credit for?

"I form the light and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Isaiah 45:7

Im just stating my understanding when I saw the title of the thread. God has created some of mankind for destruction. I showed scripture for it.

 

[STAND]

"This is the common party line, the story that all churches teach" is not a valid anything, certainly not an argument.

But this "party line" is directly from the Scripture. Eph 2:1-10 for example; or Romans 3:9-18; or 1 Cor 15:22; or Romans 5:6-19. If you do not believe that those scriptures teach that all are born as sinners, then just to say they do not is not adequate. We all are full of opinions. For the sake of preaching truth, you would need to show how the "common party line" has gotten it wrong. Line by line, precept upon precept.

All humans, including children of the devil, are born into a physical flesh body that is fallen. For that reason, it is part of the curse of original sin. Our flesh is sinful from the start, yes. Jesus' flesh was susceptible to sin as well, but He never once sinned.

Regardless of this, there is still a fundamental difference between the children of the wicked one and a child of God.

Consider the 'of the world'/'not of the world' concept.

Jesus tells His people that we are in this world, but not of it. Jn. 17:14, 16

He says the opposite about the children of the devil.

"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world (the people of the world/the children of the devil). They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world (the people of the world/the children of the devil) heareth them."
1 Jn. 4:4-5

Jesus even specifically states that He is from above and they are from below. He is from heaven and they are from this fallen world. He generated Adam and Eve and their father the devil generated the Tares.
Jn. 8:23, 43-47
Matt. 13:38-39

 

[Josheb]

Are there people who have been created for the sheer purpose of destruction?

No.

Jesus also declares very clearly that He chose twelve to be His disciples and only ONE is a devil.

And every single one of them was a sinner who were headed for destruction and would have ended that way had God, in His grace, not intervened on their behalf where they could not.

This blows the modern nonsense out of the water that suggests that we are all children of the devil until/unless we are called/saved.

I'm not seeing it, and I am an ardent monergist.

 

[STAND]

I agree _ some of the experimentations that the Watchers did with animals and man may have been some of the things of mythology - half man half goat / half man half horse/ mermaids /merman / and such trolls etc. Which were destroyed in the flood.

Well, Gen. 6:4 does say that these things existed later as well, and we know that giants existed long after the flood because there are MANY records of them throughout the OT after the flood, and we have Goliath, of course, in the NT.

So the genetics that created this, which was fallen angel genes, persisted even to that time.

Not sure if you've had any time to look into telegony, but it would strongly imply that those genes would carry on in the human bloodline to this day.

 

[STAND]

I'm quite sure it's not me making the assumptions..... Strong's concordance identifies the Hebrew word also means seduce.

And it wasn't a serpent - serpent one of the names for the one we called the devil - serpent / dragon / Lucifer / Satan the accuser / the evil one / etc And if an angel can have the form of man what can the devil do?

Since you're throwing sarcasm in a humorous way out ___ no she ate dinner first - then had sex with the devil - then went and gave her husband the fig - then had sex with her Adam.

Adam having sex with the serpent _ more sarcasm _ are you saying Adam practice homosexuality.

My assumptions golly gee why is all of this writing about people asking questions did Eve and Satan have sex, what's your name and there are many more Christian organizations addressing that issue ---- no not my assumptions but I do not dismiss the possibility.

Did Eve Have Sexual Relations With Satan? | FaithWriters

The Serpent Seed Theory suggests that Cain was the offspring of Eve and Satan. It suggests a bloodline of evil people who have descended from this evil union. Is the Serpent Seed Theory scriptural o

www.faithwriters.com

https://academic.oup.com/jts/article-abstract/71/1/134/5804956?redirectedFrom=fulltext

https://carm.org/about-demons/did-satan-have-sex-with-adam-or-eve-in-the-garden/

Did Eve Have Sex with Satan? The Serpent Seed View of Genesis 3:15 - Christian Research Institute

This article first appeared in the Practical Hermeneutics column of the CHRISTIAN RESEARCH JOURNAL, volume 39, number 03 (2016). The full text of this article in PDF format can be obtained by clicking here. For further information or to subscribe to the CHRISTIAN RESEARCH JOURNAL go to...

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Yeah, all the weird question and scenarios that are challenged upon the serpent seed doctrine just leads me to stay away from that one because it's not even entirely necessary to make a good case for this.

I can't answer what exactly happened in the garden, and neither can the naysayers, but they can't explain why in Gen. 3:15 God was even speaking of their offspring, and specifically the serpent's offspring, if nothing sexual happened.

It's obvious that it did and all the other Biblical passages that support demonic copulations fully, and substantially, support the doctrine.

1 Jn. 3:12 even specifically states that Cain was "of that wicked one" (corroborating Matt. 13:38-39 AND Gen. 3:15) and the descriptions of Esau and Jacob at birth, and God's hatred for Esau from the womb, completely substantiate the concept.

It's a done deal. It happened and the NT further bears it out in Matt. 13.

 

[STAND]

Im just stating my understanding when I saw the title of the thread. God has created some of mankind for destruction. I showed scripture for it.

Ah ok.

Gotcha.

It appeared to support the OP.

 

[CrowCross]

Why was Esau red and hairy at birth?

Why did God HATE him while he was yet in the womb?

He was fundamentally different, inherently different than Jacob.

So, God hated Esau because he was red and hairy? Do you really expect me to buy that?

 

[Arial]

Not sure if you've had any time to look into telegony, but it would strongly imply that those genes would carry on in the human bloodline to this day.

Well------ even if that were true, and it is preposterous, wouldn't that mean that we are all children of the devil genetically?
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adjective​

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   Similar: foolish
2. Having that first which ought to be last; inverted in order.
3. Contrary to nature or reason; not adapted to the end; utterly and glaringly foolish; unreasonably absurd; perverted.
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[STAND]

Well------ even if that were true, and it is preposterous, wouldn't that mean that we are all children of the devil genetically?
preposterous/prĭ-pŏs′tər-əs/

adjective​

1. Contrary to nature, reason, or common sense; absurd. synonym: foolish.
   Similar: foolish
2. Having that first which ought to be last; inverted in order.
3. Contrary to nature or reason; not adapted to the end; utterly and glaringly foolish; unreasonably absurd; perverted.
   Similar: perverted

Nope.

It doesn't seem to work that way for some reason.

It's not like an african american mixing with a white person and getting varying shades of the two for generations to come.

Jesus says that we are either one or the other and that there's no possibility of changing.

He speaks of the good and bad trees and says that a bad tree can NEVER produce good fruit and adds that the trees that never bear good fruit are destroyed. Matt. 7:18-19

He says light can never mix with darkness.

Evil can never become varying degrees of Good and vice versa.

You're either one or the other.

You are either a lost sheep, a found sheep ... or a goat.

That's it.

 

[Arial]

Jesus even specifically states that He is from above and they are from below. He is from heaven and they are from this fallen world. He generated Adam and Eve and their father the devil generated the Tares.
Jn. 8:23, 43-47
Matt. 13:38-39

You still have the devil generating people---and only God generates people (causes them to come into being) and they come into being as descendants of Adam who became a sinner, and as our father, we are sinners also. All of us.

What you are presenting is a form of heresy on man's preexistence in non body form some who belong to the devil and some to God, and they both plant them on the earth. They interpret all the parables concerning wheat and tares in that light. I no longer remember what this heresy calls itself. In the rules section is it suggested that members identify their religious association so that when communicating with one another we know where the other person is coming from. It keeps conversations from running sideways of the participants or being vain arguments and biblical support. Most ignore this. You are saying some very strange things here, so would you please identify by name your religious view.