Created For DESTRUCTION!

[Soldier of Christ1516]

The big point that so many of these authors are missing is that, well, ... God didn't create these people.

They were generated ... by the devil.

the Bible says there is one Creator.

 

[Josheb]

Thats clearly false.

Yes, universalism is being preached without naming it (so as not to get banned).

 

[brightfame52]

They were appointed to disobey the Gospel !


Paul writes in 2 Thess 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


This obeying not the Gospel, so that God would be just in taking vengeance upon them, was no accident, no it was part of Gods eternal decree for them.

They're just like the ones Peter describes in 1 Pet 2:7-8

Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed

The word appointed tithémi

means where they were placed, set, or destined, fixed [as in fixed in the counsels of God] established ! Remember words David wrote of God establishing something Ps 89:4

Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Its fixed in the counsels of God ! So were these to obey not the Gospel, it was never for them to obey ! 7

 

[brightfame52]

They were appointed to disobey the Gospel !2

Those who disobey the Gospel must and will suffer the vengeance of God, or His Wrath, which they were ordained to disobey, as were these jews Peter wrote of 1 Pet 2:8

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them whichstumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Their stumbling at the word and disobeying it was appointed by God.

However this is contrasted with those God has not appointed to disobedience and wrath 1 Thess 5:9

For God hath not appointed us [the chosen to salvation 2 Thess 2:13] to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The word appointed here is the same word appointed in 1 Pet 2:8, which shows God has not ordained some to disobedience and wrath, and vengeance as He did others , but to obtain salvation through Christ their Surety !

 

[Mr GLee]

They were appointed to disobey the Gospel !2

Those who disobey the Gospel must and will suffer the vengeance of God, or His Wrath, which they were ordained to disobey, as were these jews Peter wrote of 1 Pet 2:8

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them whichstumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Their stumbling at the word and disobeying it was appointed by God.

However this is contrasted with those God has not appointed to disobedience and wrath 1 Thess 5:9

For God hath not appointed us [the chosen to salvation 2 Thess 2:13] to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The word appointed here is the same word appointed in 1 Pet 2:8, which shows God has not ordained some to disobedience and wrath, and vengeance as He did others , but to obtain salvation through Christ their Surety !

Thanks for that.

I would offer. .They were appointed to disobey the Gospel to show the power is not of themselves . . .dying mankind.

Christ in effect knew that faithless mankind (no faith as it is writen) by which we can miraculously please our invisible head .

He knew they that followed a succession of dying mankind some call apostolic succession and would revert back to the pagan foundation .."Out of sight out of mind" .Like. . .Why would someone desire to serve something they cannot see, the religion of Atheism the fools .

Apostles sent messengers (UPS) where used to plant the incorruptible born again seed and another water it with the water of the word (doctrine that fall like rain .

We can preach but he alone is the promised teacher comforter and guides and last but not least he brings to our memory the previous thing taught. . Kingdom of Preachers yes. . Infalible teachers (Popes) no way Jose, or Marsha Ann .

1 Corinthians 3:3-9 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.


1 Corinthians4:6-7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be "puffed up" for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

It can be seen in action Mathew 16

.An apostle puffed up Peter rebuked the eternal head and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of Christ not seen.

He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man . That opportunity vanished when the Son of man vanished

 

[brightfame52]

The Sovereign Lord made the wicked for the day of evil !

Prov 16:4

The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Ps 9:16-17

The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.


The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

This is the work of God, the turning the wicked into hell, that's their evil day God has made them. This God settled and determined in the first place Rom 9:13-22

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

God made the wicked for the dishonour and shame of hell !

 

[brightfame52]

The Old Testament also mentions the Vessels of Wrath fitted for destruction. Mal 1:4

Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.

This is a people hated by the Lord, and that forever! It's a eternal indignation.They are a cursed people. Jesus says to them Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rom 2:8

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

These had been appointed to Wrath and indignation, and Condemnation! 7

 

[brightfame52]

Did God Predestinate some to Hell/Wrath ?

The answer is absolutely Yes. They are in scripture called the vessels of wrath Rom 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

These are men and women who by the purpose of the Almighty are being fitted for and fitting themselves for destruction. These are they God has purposed to reject and harden in their natural disobedience and rebellion against Him Eph 2:2-3

This has been purposed by God from within Himself, and according to His own purpose. This is natural to the Supreme Being Eph 1:9,11

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

The Supreme Being worketh all things according to His Purpose, after the counsel of His Own Will. This certainly applies to the issues of death, even eternal death 1 Sam 2:6

The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up

The word LORD here is an emphasis on God being Supreme and Sovereign.8

 

[Carbon]

Did God Predestinate some to Hell/Wrath ?

Yes. Scripture teaches such.

 

[brightfame52]

Did God Predestinate some to Hell/Wrath ?

Yes and it wasn't based upon foreseen evil that they will do, for all men by nature are evil. Yes though they shall be condemned for doing evil,, nevertheless that wasn't Gods primary motive for rejecting them in the first place. His primary motive is found only within Himself. And so this is what leads Paul to anticipate the natural human response to such a High Doctrine Rom 9:18-19

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.


19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

In other words Paul, if its Gods absolute Sovereign will to harden and reject sinners without regard to any outside influence, or the sinners foreseen evil, then why does He find fault with them if they didn't have a choice in the matter ? The conclusion is that God is at fault or unjust to condemn sinners who never had a choice or opportunity for mercy !

 

[brightfame52]

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

God hardens mens heart unto disobedience for the purpose of destruction !


This is a stated attribute of the One True and Living God that the carnal man cant receive and also blasphemes God for !

Yes man does harden his own heart as stated in Exodus of the pharaoh here Ex 8:32

And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

However that followed suite after God first hardened his heart as stated He would do from the outset Ex 4:21

And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.


See, f God has purposed to harden ones heart, then that person has no choice but to harden his own heart, because no one can resist His Will.

Thats why Paul in writing Rom 9 and borrowing from the exodus narrative about God hardening his heart, he makes no reference to pharaoh hardening his own heart as its stated in Ex 8:32.

Because thats only the by product of God by His power hardening pharaoh heart according to His own purpose.

 

[brightfame52]

When God created the world and made men He had already purposed that a mass of people would go to hell and destruction for their wickedness, that they were never included with them He had purposed to save in Christ as these were 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

They were excluded from this Gods own purpose and Grace in Christ Jesus before the world began !

They are called the reprobate, the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction Rom 9:22

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

The wicked Prov 16:4

The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Job 21:30

That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought[carried or borne] forth to the day of wrath.

Please understand this sobering truth about the God of the scripture that God purposely made these people vessels of wrath ! 9

 

[brightfame52]

The lake of fire was made for them God predestinated to hell/wrath !

This is true because of what Jesus says here Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


Now the word prepared the greek word hetoimazō :

It means in this context to have been ordained, predetermined as in Rev 9:15

And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men

Now this lake f fire was prepared for specific certain ones according to Jesus words Matt 25:41 the devil and his angels or messengers.

Now who are the devil and his angels ? We all know the devil is, however something is being revealed here in this text as to who his angels/messengers are. Its not limited to the angelic angels, but it includes the goats of mankind on Christ left hand. All who like the devil are under the curse. All the unsaved cursed under their sins against the law, are messengers of the devil. They worship him and their names were not written in the Lambs book Rev 20:15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This lake of fire is the same place Jesus refers to in Matt 25:41 !