Baptism beliefs

[Sereni-tea]

Children are without sin and also cannot comply with scriptural guidelines and requirements of baptism. You must 1st hear and believe the word, confess your belief, repent, and finally, be immersed in water, baptized, for the remission of sins. This is NOT possible for infants or young children to do.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

You said Children are without sin? Would you mind elaborating on that please, especially in light of Psalm 51?
Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Psalm 51:5

 

[Carbon]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

You said Children are without sin? Would you mind elaborating on that please, especially in light of Psalm 51?
Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Psalm 51:5

Amen

 

[civic]

No vote for me as I’m in the baby/ child defection camp, no water involved

 

[Eleanor]

No vote for me as I’m in the baby/ child defection camp, no water involved

Baptism does not save, as circumcision did not save.
Like circumcision, baptism places you in the people of God, under the provision of God for his people.
That is why it is suitable for children.

 

[civic]

Baptism does not save, as circumcision did not save.
Like circumcision, baptism places you in the people of God, under the provision of God for his people.
That is why it is suitable for children.

I know it doesn’t save which is why I dedicated my 4 children to the Lord and the same reason my grandchildren have been dedicated not baptized until after they believed in Christ for salvation

 

[Carbon]

I know it doesn’t save which is why I dedicated my 4 children to the Lord and the same reason my grandchildren have been dedicated not baptized until after they believed in Christ for salvation

But where is dedication in scripture?

 

[DJT_47]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

You said Children are without sin? Would you mind elaborating on that please, especially in light of Psalm 51?
Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Psalm 51:5

Sinful meaning the propensity to sin by nature via Adam. It doesn't say 'I was in sin' or had already committed sin, but simply sinful as stated. Sin must be committed. What was the
sin and who was the sin committed against?

 

[Carbon]

Sinful meaning the propensity to sin by nature via Adam. It doesn't say 'I was in sin' or had already committed sin, but simply sinful as stated. Sin must be committed. What was the
sin and who was the sin committed against?

We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners.

 

[Eleanor]

I know it doesn’t save which is why I dedicated my 4 children to the Lord and the same reason my grandchildren have been dedicated not baptized until after they believed in Christ for salvation

Pretty much the same thing, except that baptism is the only one that enjoys NT sanction and effectiveness.

 

[Eleanor]

We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners.

If I can find a frying pan, I am going to flatten that snout!

 

[DJT_47]

I believe children are just as much part of God's family as adults and should be brought up as such.
Baptism is a sign of the new covenant, just like circumcision was in the old covenant. And just like infants were circumcised in the OT, so I believe it is right to baptise children of believing parents.

We are told in the NT:

“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” - Acts 2:38-39

In my denomination (Anglican) we have a practice of confirmation where those who were baptised as infants/children and have now come of age (usually around 16 years old or so) will (if they choose to do so) publicly confess their faith and take upon themselves the baptismal promises made by their parents and godparents on their behalf.

Yes, Acts 2:38! But it says repent and be baptized for the remission or forgiveness of sin: children have no sin nor can they repent nor even have the ability to believe which is a prerequisite, so, this cannot possibly apply to children. Also, if the bible is or should be our one and only guide, you'll find no such thing as "confirmation", or after-the-fact confirming of one's belief. Confirmation is a man contrived, unscriptural doctrine.

Mark 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

belief + baptism = salvation not baptism + belief. Belief is 1st followed by confession of belief as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, repentance as the Jews were told to do on the of Pentecost in Acts 2, and finally immersion in water, baptism, for the remission of sins, also per Acts 2:38.

 

[DJT_47]

We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners.

That makes no sense. When you sin you become a sinner. When you eat you become an eater. When you play you become a player. Simple English.

 

[civic]

But where is dedication in scripture?

1 Samuel 1.
, “Pardon me, my lord. As surely as you live, I am the woman who stood here beside you praying to the Lord. 27 I prayed for this child, and the Lord has granted me what I asked of him. 28 So now I give him to the Lord. For his whole life he will be given over to the Lord.” And he worshiped the Lord there.

 

[Deleted member 5]

That makes no sense.

It does make sense, the curse of sin fell upon all mankind, Romans 5. Due to the fallen nature, we sin, therefore our nature is not only fallen, but sinful. Thus, we sin.

 

[Carbon]

That makes no sense. When you sin you become a sinner. When you eat you become an eater. When you play you become a player. Simple English.

Okay. Have it your way.

 

[Carbon]

1 Samuel 1.
, “Pardon me, my lord. As surely as you live, I am the woman who stood here beside you praying to the Lord. 27 I prayed for this child, and the Lord has granted me what I asked of him. 28 So now I give him to the Lord. For his whole life he will be given over to the Lord.” And he worshiped the Lord there.

Okay, so you use water? It's baptism.

 

[Eleanor]

That makes no sense. When you sin you become a sinner. When you eat you become an eater. When you play you become a player. Simple English.

We are born sinners, guilty of Adam's sin imputed to us (Ro 5:12-15, 18).

 

[civic]

Okay, so you use water? It's baptism.

No water in the passage so it’s not necessary

 

[Carbon]

No water in the passage so it’s not necessary

Okay.

 

[Carbon]

That makes no sense. When you sin you become a sinner. When you eat you become an eater. When you play you become a player. Simple English.

So no one is born a sinner, but we all eventually sin. Seems everyone must be inclined to sin. That's a sinful nature.