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Amen sister!I believe children are just as much part of God's family as adults and should be brought up as such.
Baptism is a sign of the new covenant, just like circumcision was in the old covenant. And just like infants were circumcised in the OT, so I believe it is right to baptise children of believing parents.
What else can I say but, Amen.We are told in the NT:
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” - Acts 2:38-39
In my denomination (Anglican) we have a practice of confirmation where those who were baptised as infants/children and have now come of age (usually around 16 years old or so) will (if they choose to do so) publicly confess their faith and take upon themselves the baptismal promises made by their parents and godparents on their behalf.
AmenIt seems they baptized children in the NT Scriptures.
Circumcision placed you in the people of God. It did not save you. Only faith in the promise (Ge 15:5, seed; Christ, Gal 3:16) saved, but it gave you the benefits of God's people; i.e., provision.
Likewise, baptism is the NC parallel sign of the OC circumcision (Col 2:11-12).
So I am in favor of baptism of infants as a sign of being in the people of God.
Keeping in mind that we have both wheat and tares in the people of God.
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Well, we have baptism as the NC parallel sign of the OC circumcision (Col 2:11-12).I think the case with the Gentiles which uses the expression, "you and your household" demonstrates babies were not included.
If one were to go step by step with this....
1. Reference is made to the household.
Acts 11:13-14
(13) And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house, and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and have Simon, who is also called Peter, brought here;
(14) and he shall speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and your household.'
2. Only those who have received the Holy Spirit of this household were water baptized.
Acts 10:47-48
(47) Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?
(48) And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
3. In order for the Holy Spirit to be received by those of this household one had to:
(a) hear the gospel
(b) believe (the gospel)
Acts 15:7-8
(7) After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.
(8) And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us.
Infants are incapable of hearing the gospel in order to believe.
Therefore, infants are not included of the household that was water baptized.
Well, we have baptism as the NC parallel sign of the OC circumcision (Col 2:11-12).
And infants were circumcised in the OC.
Does church history show baptism of infants in the early church?
Baptism beliefs
@Carbon & @Eleanor & @Fred & @Jude24 & @ReformedguyI believe children are just as much part of God's family as adults and should be brought up as such.
Baptism is a sign of the new covenant, just like circumcision was in the old covenant. And just like infants were circumcised in the OT, so I believe it is right to baptise children of believing parents.
We are told in the NT:
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” - Acts 2:38-39
In my denomination (Anglican) we have a practice of confirmation where those who were baptised as infants/children and have now come of age (usually around 16 years old or so) will (if they choose to do so) publicly confess their faith and take upon themselves the baptismal promises made by their parents and godparents on their behalf.
What does Col 2:11-12 teach?It goes against what is taught from the Book of Acts.
Thus, it is not a parallel sign.
Good point.Females were no circumcised in the OC. That leaves out more or less half the population.
1) Is not water baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Mt 28:19); i.e. the Trinity?
Remission (removal) of sin is remission of sin's punishment, because the penalty of the law for it has been paid, and that debt is no longer owed, it is cancelled.Is it for remission of sins? If not, how does one receive the remission of sins?
The promise of the Holy Spirit is of the indwelling Holy Spirit in the new covenant.Is it for getting the promise of the Holy Ghost? If not, how does one receive the promise of the Holy Spirit?
It serves to place you in the people of God, and in adults is a sign of your dying to sin as Christ died for sin (Ro 6:1-6).Maybe this same Peter gives us a clue to how he had preached to the Gentiles.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
There is only one gospel and since the Gentiles heard the word, believed in Him for the remission of sins and had received the Holy Ghost before water baptism, ...
What does water baptism serves towards?
What does Col 2:11-12 teach?
In light of Col 2:11-12, it appears the record in the book of Acts is not the whole record, but is in regard to adults only.
Would you please show how that could refer to baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is a special manifestation of the Holy Spirit as confirmation of the gospel.The baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit and water baptism are two different things,In which infants are not supposed to be water baptized.
Would you please show how that could refer to baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is a special manifestation of the Holy Spirit as confirmation of the gospel.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit and water baptism are two different things.
The "name of" which is singular thus the name of Jesus Christ, is the God we call on to be saved. According to the Book of Acts, when put into practice, they water baptized in Jesus's name, signifying the disciples of Jesus Christ.1) Is not water baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Mt 28:19); i.e. the Trinity?
Yet the Holy Spirit gives that credit & glory to Jesus Christ, the Son of God per John 16:13-15 as all the fruits of righteousness are thereby Jesus Christ per Philippians 1:11.All three operate in salvation, the Father ordaining the plan, the Son executing the plan, and the Holy Spirit applying the benefits of the plan.
Yes, signifying the disciples of Jesus Christ in public display from the disciples of John the Baptist's and from the disciples of the Pharisees.That baptia was Jesus' command regarding the disciples that were to be made from all nations.
Right for how there are vessels unto honor in His House, vessels of gold & silver, that looked to Him for help in discerning and for departing from iniquity and the vessels unto dishonor, vessels of wood & earth, that did not look to Him for help but just followed the church & did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come per 2 timothy 2:18-21 as they will get left behind, and die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation. Same with the great and those called the least below.2) It's the same baptism, it places you in the people of God, receiving God's earthly provision for the people of God.
Again, remembering that we have both wheat and tares in the people of God.
That is why those resurrected after the great tribulation, the power of the second death will not be over them but thus indicating the power of the first death still can for why they need to eat from the tree of life when that City of God comes down to earth..Remission (removal) of sin is remission of sin's punishment, because the penalty of the law for it has been paid, and that debt is no longer owed, it is cancelled.
The penalty of sin was paid in Christ's atonement on the cross, thereby remitting the punishment.
That payment made by Christ must now be applied to each individual by their faith in himself and his atoning work (Ro 3:25).
Unfortunately many will go astray in these latter days where faith is hard to find which is probably why the times of the Gentiles will end at the pre great tribulation rapture event and God chooses the 144,000 witnesses that were formerly Jews to serve Him for the duration of the great tribulation after the rapture event. Nevertheless Jesus Christ will finish His work even in those left behind as they are still His sheep. Like Esau, the prodigal son may have given up his first inheritance for wild living, and can never get it back, but he will find that he is still son.The promise of the Holy Spirit is of the indwelling Holy Spirit in the new covenant.
He is received in the new birth, which is a sovereign act of the Holy Spirit, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:3-8), based on nothing but God's sovereign choice to do so.
It serves to place you in the people of God, and in adults is a sign of your dying to sin as Christ died for sin (Ro 6:1-6).