Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

[ReverendRV]

I mean that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Scapegoat, which only bore away the Sins of Israel Confessed on it's head by the Priest...

 

[Carbon]

I mean that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Scapegoat, which only bore away the Sins of Israel Confessed on it's head by the Priest...

Which is a type and shadow of Christ with the entire removal of the sins of the elect....

 

[ReverendRV]

What do you mean by "confessed sins?"

I also mean that the Cross of Christ only had our Charges Nailed to his Cross; not Margaret Sanger's Sins nailed to his Cross...

 

[Carbon]

I mean that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the Scapegoat, which only bore away the Sins of Israel Confessed on it's head by the Priest...

The sins were not put on the head of the animal by confessions, it was imputation.

Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Carbon]

I also mean that the Cross of Christ only had our Charges Nailed to his Cross; not Margaret Sanger's Sins nailed to his Cross...

Who? Margret Sanger?

 

[ReverendRV]

The sins were not put on the head of the animal by confessions, it was imputation.

Am I understanding you correctly?

Yes...

But the Old Testament language is Confession. The Priest Confesses the Sins of Israel of the Scapegoat's head...

You have Confessed your Sin on Christ's head; by Nailing your Sin to his Cross. Hitler didn't do that; though there was room on Christ's Cross for Hitler's Sign...

 

[ReverendRV]

Who? Margret Sanger?

The Racist Abortion Eugenics Atheist lady...

 

[ReverendRV]

The sins were not put on the head of the animal by confessions, it was imputation.

Am I understanding you correctly?

I may say things in a way that a Calvinist has never heard; or never thought about. So I think that when I say something which sounds questionable to a Calvinist; they should hold judgment against me, because I can explain myself...

 

[Carbon]

I may say things in a way that a Calvinist has never heard; or never thought about. So I think that when I say something which sounds questionable to a Calvinist; they should hold judgment against me, because I can explain myself...

Im not meaning to be rude or judgemental. Sorry.

But why not just say it as scripture says it, this way you have scripture support.

 

[Carbon]

I may say things in a way that a Calvinist has never heard; or never thought about.

I hope your not developing some middle knowledge thingy. Like Ken thought.

But don't Fuller speak of some middle knowledge?

 

[ReverendRV]

Im not meaning to be rude or judgemental. Sorry.

But why not just say it as scripture says it, this way you have scripture support.

Because Sound Doctrine is Sound Brother. And it has extra explanatory power, where Scripture is silent...

 

[Carbon]

Because Sound Doctrine is Sound Brother. And it has extra explanatory power, where Scripture is silent...

Im sorry but that sounds extra-biblical.

Where scripture is silent on something it does not then make it a matter of one's own interpretation. Where scripture is silent, that is where we should stop, and not speculate. We are not on God's level.

 

[ReverendRV]

I have your not developing some middle knowledge thingy. Like Ken thought.

But don't Fuller speak of some middle knowledge?

Just say No to Middle Knowledge...

Y'all know me better than that. I suspect that some people think I HAVE to have a little somethin' somethin' wrong with me; some love for some Heresy that they just can't put their finger on...

But in your Hearts, y'all know I'm just as Orthodox as any of you..

 

[Carbon]

Just say No to Middle Knowledge...

Y'all know me better than that. I suspect that some people think I HAVE to have a little somethin' somethin' wrong with me; some love for some Heresy that they just can't put their finger on...

But in your Hearts, y'all know I'm just as Orthodox as any of you..

I don't think there is anything wrong with you brother. I just think sometimes you have a way of wording things that do need an interpretation attached.

 

[ReverendRV]

I don't think there is anything wrong with you brother. I just think sometimes you have a way of wording things that do need an interpretation attached.

Fair enough...

Did you like my point that the Cross of Christ only bore the Nailed Signs of Sin? Not the unailed Signs?

Nice Doctrine; ain't it?

 

[Ladodgers6]

When I say I like Fuller, I'm just speaking about a Cursory understanding I have of Duty Faith...

Understood, allow me to share something with you my brother.

The Controversy Over "Final Salvation Through Works"
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For the last several years writers identified with the broader Reformed movement have proposed that Christians are saved initially by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone but finally through faith and works. There are two claims here: 1) salvation is in two stages and 2) the instruments in each stage differ. Second, some have alleged that these doctrines are the doctrines of the Reformed tradition. So we have exegetical, theological, historical, and practical questions: If one's present salvation is merely provisional, which is logically necessary if there are two stages, what is the basis of one's assurance? Of course assurance of faith or assurance of salvation is vitiated, and should these proposals stand, every Christian is, with Martin Luther, in a monastic cell in Eurfurt wondering if he will perform works of sufficient number and quality finally to enter heaven?

Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

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The Righteous Shall Live by Faith​

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

So, look when a sinners believes and trust in God who justifies the "ungodly". This justified sinners is declared right then perfectly righteous, because of Christ. This is a one-time act of declaration. We cannot add anything to it, because Christ fulfilled everything the Law required by his perfect law keeping. This is why Paul called it good news for sinners, even for a chief sinner like himself. This is we stand, on this solid rock, my brother. Christ "Finish it". By his wounds we are healed, by his chastisement we have peace with God. He was pierced for our transgressions, he bore our iniquities, he paid the price with his blood, whom God put forward as a propitiation. He became a curse for us, to free us from the curse of the Law. He is our redemption, salvation, justification, and sanctification 1 Cor. 1:30.

From this my brother flows our good works, fruits, because they are the effects of the cause. We praise, honor, and live to God out of gratitude, knowing that he saved us from sin, death, condemnation, and punishment. Because of Christ our penal substitutionary atonement. The Righteous for the unrighteous 1 Peter 3:18.

Know what you believe and why you believe it!

By Grace Alone through Faith Alone!

We must hear and read the Gospel everyday, the good news for the ungodly!
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[Carbon]

Fair enough...

Did you like my point that the Cross of Christ only bore the Nailed Signs of Sin? Not the unailed Signs?

Nice Doctrine; ain't it?

For some reason, I don't know what you're talking about. Please explain.

 

[ReverendRV]

Understood, allow me to share something with you my brother.

The Controversy Over "Final Salvation Through Works"
​

For the last several years writers identified with the broader Reformed movement have proposed that Christians are saved initially by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone but finally through faith and works. There are two claims here: 1) salvation is in two stages and 2) the instruments in each stage differ. Second, some have alleged that these doctrines are the doctrines of the Reformed tradition. So we have exegetical, theological, historical, and practical questions: If one's present salvation is merely provisional, which is logically necessary if there are two stages, what is the basis of one's assurance? Of course assurance of faith or assurance of salvation is vitiated, and should these proposals stand, every Christian is, with Martin Luther, in a monastic cell in Eurfurt wondering if he will perform works of sufficient number and quality finally to enter heaven?

Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

​

The Righteous Shall Live by Faith​

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

So, look when a sinners believes and trust in God who justifies the "ungodly". This justified sinners is declared right then perfectly righteous, because of Christ. This is a one-time act of declaration. We cannot add anything to it, because Christ fulfilled everything the Law required by his perfect law keeping. This is why Paul called it good news for sinners, even for a chief sinner like himself. This is we stand, on this solid rock, my brother. Christ "Finish it". By his wounds we are healed, by his chastisement we have peace with God. He was pierced for our transgressions, he bore our iniquities, he paid the price with his blood, whom God put forward as a propitiation. He became a curse for us, to free us from the curse of the Law. He is our redemption, salvation, justification, and sanctification 1 Cor. 1:30.

From this my brother flows our good works, fruits, because they are the effects of the cause. We praise, honor, and live to God out of gratitude, knowing that he saved us from sin, death, condemnation, and punishment. Because of Christ our penal substitutionary atonement. The Righteous for the unrighteous 1 Peter 3:18.

Know what you believe and why you believe it!

By Grace Alone through Faith Alone!

We must hear and read the Gospel everyday, the good news for the ungodly!
​

Amen! Sola Gratia!!!

That's one thing I'm dealing with here. It seems when I Confess something that some Calvinists question, it's as if they think I deny Reformed Fundamentals like Grace Alone...

 

[ReverendRV]

For some reason, I don't know what you're talking about. Please explain.

Excuse me Brother for not being Clear enough. Sometimes some things I say Appear to need rumination; IE a little time to soak in...

I'm saying my Point that "Only" the Sins of the Unconditional Elect are Nailed to the Cross; is a Doctrine, as opposed to a Verbatim Verse that says only 'our' Sins are Nailed to the Cross. Since the Bible doesn't say "only", for me to say only our Sins are Nailed to the Cross is a Teaching/Doctrine...

 

[ReverendRV]

Fair enough...

Did you like my point that the Cross of Christ only bore the Nailed Signs of Sin? Not the unailed Signs?

Nice Doctrine; ain't it?

Do you think I said something that's not true? It's true Christ's Cross only bore Sins that are Nailed to it. I think you should like it...

It's Full-Proof evidence for a Limited Atonement...

Since it's Fool-Proof evidence, I think I should be getting a whole lot of Attaboy's ..