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Annihilationism is taught in the bible

Only the wicked are consumed in the second death as scripture clearly says

Its appointed for all men to die once, No retrials or double Jeopardy

Second death, Death of the letter of the law it kills causing sufferings the pangs of hell. Yoked with Christ our daily burden can be lighter we can pray give us this day that daily bread or called hidden manna in Revelation 2:17 .

The death of death .The loving commandment. . "Do not" or in dying you will suffer and come to a end of life.

The letter death will not rise up and condemn a whole creation ever gain .The former things will no come to memory(letter of the law) forever and ever

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.( Death)
 
That "fire" means judgment does not necessarily mean the judgment is not fire, but means exactly the opposite; i.e, the judgment is fire.
Why the resistance to the text?
Matthew 13:34
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
 
Matthew 13:34
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
That refers to the crowds, not to the apostles (Mt 13:36, 15:15),
from whom we receive our teaching to them in Mk 9:38, 42-48, and which is authoritative to the church.
 
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Its appointed for all men to die once, No retrials or double Jeopardy

Second death, Death of the letter of the law it kills causing sufferings the pangs of hell. Yoked with Christ our daily burden can be lighter we can pray give us this day that daily bread or called hidden manna in Revelation 2:17 .

The death of death .The loving commandment. . "Do not" or in dying you will suffer and come to a end of life.

The letter death will not rise up and condemn a whole creation ever gain .The former things will no come to memory(letter of the law) forever and ever

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.( Death)
Paul is speaking of the Old Covenant laws, not the Sabbath and moral commands of God.
 
Hi thanks. .

What about the usage like in Jonah?

Jonah 2:1-2King James Version Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

The reason of his sufferings not dead never to rise Living sacrifice, not dead.

Rather than "belly of hell" he uses "heart of the earth" to represent the suffering of the Son of man, Jesus. . . . strengthened by His Father,the same strength Jonah received enabling both to finish the work Christ began in them. All glory to the unseen Holy Father
In Hebrew it meant the grave or death, and Jonah felt like it in the belly of the whale.
 
In Hebrew it meant the grave or death, and Jonah felt like it in the belly of the whale.
Thanks death as in dying
 
Its appointed for all men to die once, No retrials or double Jeopardy

Second death, Death of the letter of the law
There is no "letter of the law" in Scripture, there is only "the letter" (which is the law) and which kills those who disobey it, and "the Spirit" (which is the Holy Spirit who authored that same law) and who gives life and power to obey it.
it kills causing sufferings the pangs of hell. Yoked with Christ our daily burden can be lighter we can pray give us this day that daily bread or called hidden manna in Revelation 2:17 .

The death of death .The loving commandment. . "Do not" or in dying you will suffer and come to a end of life.
The death of death is in the death of Christ, where those who believe in and trust on Christ's death receive forgiveness of sin and eternal life.
The letter death will not rise up and condemn a whole creation ever gain .The former things will no come to memory(letter of the law) forever and ever

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of
the letter.( Death)
The oldness of "the letter" is the law which killed all who disobeyed it.
We now serve in the newness of "the Spirit" who gives life and power for obedience.
 
Its appointed for all men to die once, No retrials or double Jeopardy

Second death, Death of the letter of the law it kills causing sufferings the pangs of hell. Yoked with Christ our daily burden can be lighter we can pray give us this day that daily bread or called hidden manna in Revelation 2:17 .

The death of death .The loving commandment. . "Do not" or in dying you will suffer and come to a end of life.

The letter death will not rise up and condemn a whole creation ever gain .The former things will no come to memory(letter of the law) forever and ever

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.( Death)
The Lake of Fire will consume all the wicked, there is no way around what the Scripture clearly shows is the second death...
 
Its appointed for all men to die once, No retrials or double Jeopardy
That refers to physical death.
Second death, Death of the letter of the law it kills causing sufferings the pangs of hell. Yoked with Christ our daily burden can be lighter we can pray give us this day that daily bread or called hidden manna in Revelation 2:17 .

The death of death .The loving commandment. . "Do not" or in dying you will suffer and come to a end of life.

The letter death will not rise up and condemn a whole creation ever gain .The former things will no come to memory(letter of the law) forever and ever

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.( Death)
 
The Lake of Fire will consume all the wicked, there is no way around what the Scripture clearly shows is the second death...

I agree no way around, death is what we are being delivered from. Not life

The death of death never to rise and condemn another whole creation. It's the letter of the law along with is pangs of hell.Letter is cast in the judgment of God' The second death no dying humans they are alredy dead in trsepass and sin without God in this present world the death of death. One appointment death as that were living out. No double jeopardy mistrials.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 
The Lake of Fire will consume all the wicked, there is no way around what the Scripture clearly shows is the second death...
Lake of Fire Commentary



In regards to "Lake of Fire."
Lake is parabolic of a body of people.
Fire is parabolic of "Judgement."

Revelation 17:15. Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

Revelation 12:15. Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.

Revelation 12:16. But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

Revelation 10:2. He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land,

Revelation 10:5. Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven.

Revelation 10:8. Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: “Go, take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”

Revelation 13:1. The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

This is a short list of the word FIRE being used to mean JUDGEMENT.

Psalm 78:21
When the LORD heard them, he was furious; his fire broke out against Jacob, and his wrath rose against Israel,

Psalm 79:5
How long, LORD? Will you be angry forever? How long will your jealousy burn like fire?

Psalm 89:46
How long, LORD? Will you hide yourself forever? How long will your wrath burn like fire?

Psalm 104:4
He makes [winds / spirits] his messengers, flames of fire his servants.

Isaiah 4:4
The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.

Isaiah 66:15
See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Isaiah 66:16
For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment on all people, and many will be those slain by the LORD.

Deuteronomy 32:22. For a fire has been kindled by my wrath,
one that burns to the realm of sheol below.

Amos 7:4
This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: The Sovereign LORD was calling for judgment by fire; it dried up the great deep and devoured the land.

Hebrews 10:27
but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.



The word "fire and lightning" is often used as a parable to mean judgment. In one place the word "coal" means judgment. And where there is smoke there is fire, so the word "smoke" can also be used as a parable to mean judgment.


KJV
Revelation 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:14
And death and (hell / grave) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


If Hell is done away with in the second death, then how can there be anyone to torment?
 
I agree no way around, death is what we are being delivered from. Not life

The death of death never to rise and condemn another whole creation. It's the letter of the law along with is pangs of hell.Letter is cast in the judgment of God' The second death no dying humans they are alredy dead in trsepass and sin without God in this present world the death of death. One appointment death as that were living out. No double jeopardy mistrials.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
The second death is the complete and final separation of sinners from life as God will not restore them ever. So there will be no more death or need for it as sin along with sinners will be destroyed.
 
That refers to the crowds, not to the apostles (Mt 13:36, 15:15),
from whom we receive our teaching to them in Mk 9:38, 42-48, and which is authoritative to the church.
He spoke His living words to the multitude, believers and unbelievers . Revealing the understanding of the mysteries of faith (Christ;s) to those born again from above .

God and not the church (dying mankind) is the authority in matters of faith, "the unseen Holy power of God". And not dying mankind the apostles.. . sent messengers and not highly venerable puffed up ones that the non venerable. . . eulogizing the flesh of dying mankind.

Apostles are moved by God they are not gods in the likeness of men as some preach.

Our Holy Father working in those yoked with Him (not of their own dying self). . . . . .sent with the living word of God .The gospel of our salvation and not with a oral traditions of dying mankind that some call a legion of Holy Fathers.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven
 
No difference an body without the spirit is dead.
There is a great difference between physical death and spiritual death.
Physical death does not bar your spirit from heaven, while spiritual death does exactly that.
 
He spoke His living words to the multitude, believers and unbelievers . Revealing the understanding of the mysteries of faith (Christ;s) to those born again from above .

God and not the church (dying mankind)
The church is the body of the human Christ, his own flesh and blood in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Eph 5:29-32).
 
There is a great difference between physical death and spiritual death.
Physical death does not bar your spirit from heaven, while spiritual death does exactly that.
Physical death is the result of Spiritual,death. thou shalt not or you will in dying and sufferings come to end of life . .

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

God is not a man as us.

Why would mankind desire to believe eternal God is a temporal man ? That is a mystery at least to my own self..

You might want to study whats the the meaning of faith or power without works is dead as a body without the spirit of life deader than a door nail returning to lifeless spiritless clay.
 
Physical death is the result of Spiritual,death. thou shalt not or you will in dying and sufferings come to end of life . .
Agreed. . .
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

God is not a man as us.

Why would mankind desire to believe eternal God is a temporal man ?
Because one believes the NT word of God written:

"the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . .the Word became flesh and dwelled among us." (Jn 1:1, 14)

Only man's body is temporal, and that only for a while--until the resurection as with Jesus, while his spirit is immortal.
 
The church is the body of the human Christ, his own flesh and blood in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Eph 5:29-32).
What happened to his human flesh in which Jesus the Son of man said it profits for nothing. This is when the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of the Father was taken away. In that way no man could ever know God after that manner of Him and the Son of man, Jesus, One demonstration of two watching as one was the promise

Christ in us lives in born again dying mankind, yoked His labor of Love with him our daily burden can be lighter with a future hope beyond the grave

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
 
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