2 Peter 2:1 Master who bought them

[Arial]

Rather than go into it here, I will start a thread on justification, and you can read it to see what I mean, or not. Just please, don't take offense at those words, because I meant no offense. Just speaking from experience.

@Tambora

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/justification.2589/

 

[brightfame52]

@Lees

I believe Peter used the word 'bought' because that is exactly what God has done. The price has been paid. We are bought and paid for. (1 Cor. 6:20) The move of God to 'redeem' speaks to buying back.

Now, the point of false teachers denying the Lord that bought them, shows that the price was paid for all born of Adam. But though the price was paid, that did not save anyone.

So Christs Blood in and of itelf doesnt save anyone ! Thats an awful thing to say about the redeeming blood of Christ. In light of 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

This scripture says the elect were redeemed from a vain conversation by the precious blood of Christ. Now to be redeemed from a vain conversation, or manner of life, is Salvation.

The word redeemed lytroō:

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

redeemed or set free from the marketplace of sin

Redemption liberates the redeemed one from the imprisonment of unbelief !

 

[Mr GLee]

The spiritual life works in the flesh but not of it.

It is of Christ Spirit the Father of all spirit life.

Blood like water are used as metaphors found in parables, they hide the unseen eternal good news understanding

Literal corrupted blood must be poured out at the feet of the alter and return to dust in order to show spiritual life not seen was poured out on dying flesh causing growth .

 

[Lees]

@Lees



So Christs Blood in and of itelf doesnt save anyone ! Thats an awful thing to say about the redeeming blood of Christ. In light of 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

This scripture says the elect were redeemed from a vain conversation by the precious blood of Christ. Now to be redeemed from a vain conversation, or manner of life, is Salvation.

The word redeemed lytroō:

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

redeemed or set free from the marketplace of sin

Redemption liberates the redeemed one from the imprisonment of unbelief !

There is no salvation without the Blood. But the Blood being shed, the price paid, saved no one. Just because Jesus died way back there on the Cross, say 33 A.D. about, didn't save you and me at that time. It provided the basis, the cost, upon which we and any could be redeemed. But the one factor that does determine salvation, still remained. FAITH. Until we exercised faith in Christ, we were not saved. We can be called the elect, but though we are elect, we were not saved till we exercised faith in Christ.

The only thing that liberates one from unbelief, is faith.

My opinion.

Lees

 

[makesends]

There is no salvation without the Blood. But the Blood being shed, the price paid, saved no one. Just because Jesus died way back there on the Cross, say 33 A.D. about, didn't save you and me at that time. It provided the basis, the cost, upon which we and any could be redeemed. But the one factor that does determine salvation, still remained. FAITH. Until we exercised faith in Christ, we were not saved. We can be called the elect, but though we are elect, we were not saved till we exercised faith in Christ.

The only thing that liberates one from unbelief, is faith.

My opinion.

Lees

What does that 'faith' believe?

 

[Lees]

What does that 'faith' believe?

Today, that faith is in Jesus Christ as Son of God and Saviour.

Prior to the coming of Christ, that faith is always in the promise of God of Him who was to come. Christ.

Saving faith is always based somehow on Christ. (Gen. 3:15) (Gen. 15:6) (Ex. 12:3-11) (John 3;16-18)

Lees

 

[brightfame52]

There is no salvation without the Blood. But the Blood being shed, the price paid, saved no one. Just because Jesus died way back there on the Cross, say 33 A.D. about, didn't save you and me at that time. It provided the basis, the cost, upon which we and any could be redeemed. But the one factor that does determine salvation, still remained. FAITH. Until we exercised faith in Christ, we were not saved. We can be called the elect, but though we are elect, we were not saved till we exercised faith in Christ.

The only thing that liberates one from unbelief, is faith.

My opinion.

Lees

You made a horrible Christ dishonoring statement,

Now, the point of false teachers denying the Lord that bought them, shows that the price was paid for all born of Adam. But though the price was paid, that did not save anyone.

May God grant you repentance from such a Christ dishonoring statement.

 

[brightfame52]

Today, that faith is in Jesus Christ as Son of God and Saviour.

Prior to the coming of Christ, that faith is always in the promise of God of Him who was to come. Christ.

Saving faith is always based somehow on Christ. (Gen. 3:15) (Gen. 15:6) (Ex. 12:3-11) (John 3;16-18)

Lees

I know one thing you dont believe, that Christs redeeming blood/death saved anyone. Thats what your faith believes

 

[Carbon]

There is no salvation without the Blood. But the Blood being shed, the price paid, saved no one. Just because Jesus died way back there on the Cross, say 33 A.D. about, didn't save you and me at that time.

Actually Lee's, yes it did.

It provided the basis, the cost, upon which we and any could be redeemed. But the one factor that does determine salvation, still remained. FAITH. Until we exercised faith in Christ, we were not saved. We can be called the elect, but though we are elect, we were not saved till we exercised faith in Christ.

When you exorcised the faith given you as a gift, is when salvation was applied. 1 John 5:1.

The only thing that liberates one from unbelief, is faith.

My opinion.

Lees

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[makesends]

Today, that faith is in Jesus Christ as Son of God and Saviour.

Prior to the coming of Christ, that faith is always in the promise of God of Him who was to come. Christ.

Saving faith is always based somehow on Christ. (Gen. 3:15) (Gen. 15:6) (Ex. 12:3-11) (John 3;16-18)

Lees

So saving faith is not in the work of Jesus on the cross, but rather, in his return?

 

[Lees]

You made a horrible Christ dishonoring statement,



May God grant you repentance from such a Christ dishonoring statement.

When did you get saved?

Lees

 

[Lees]

I know one thing you dont believe, that Christs redeeming blood/death saved anyone. Thats what your faith believes

No. I explained what I meant. The shedding of Blood paid the price for all sin. It is the basis for our salvation. Christ died for all, but not all are saved. Why?

Lees

 

[Lees]

Actually Lee's, yes it did.

When you exorcised the faith given you as a gift, is when salvation was applied. 1 John 5:1.

Thanks for your opinion.

Spoken very 'factually'. Yet I disagree.

That faith is of God is immaterial. Until that faith is exercised you are not saved. If salvation has not been 'applied' you are not saved. You maybe elect, but you are not yet saved.

Thanks for yours.

Lees

 

[Lees]

So saving faith is not in the work of Jesus on the cross, but rather, in his return?

You asked what does that faith believe. I told you and gave you Scripture. If you disagree, explain why?

Lees

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
So saving faith is not in the work of Jesus on the cross, but rather, in his return?

You asked what does that faith believe. I told you and gave you Scripture. If you disagree, explain why?

Lees

I'm asking if the things with which you answered me, which were not very precise, reduce to what I said there, since you had specifically said it was not faith in the blood of Christ in one's place—"But the Blood being shed, the price paid, saved no one."

 

[Carbon]

No. I explained what I meant. The shedding of blood paid the price for all sin. It is the basis for our salvation. Christ died for all, but not all are saved. Why?

Lees

Do you actually believe that Jesus died for everyone but his death saved no one?

 

[Carbon]

Spoken very 'factually'. Yet I disagree.

That faith is of God is immaterial.

Is of God? Where did that come from? It's not God's faith, God does not believe for us.

Until that faith is exercised you are not saved.

Lee's, scripture disagrees with you. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 1 John 5:1.

Thanks for yours.

Lees

Your welcome.

 

[Mr GLee]

Today, that faith is in Jesus Christ as Son of God and Saviour.

And where does it come from? Whose work?

 

[Lees]

makesends said:
So saving faith is not in the work of Jesus on the cross, but rather, in his return?

I'm asking if the things with which you answered me, which were not very precise, reduce to what I said there, since you had specifically said it was not faith in the blood of Christ in one's place—"But the Blood being shed, the price paid, saved no one."

You asked me in post #(65) what does that faith believe. My answer was very precise in post #(66). To which I gave Scripture to support.

Again, if you disagree, explain why?

Where did I 'specifically'say 'it was not faith in the blood of Christ'?

My point is that the Blood shed didn't save anyone. It was/is the price paid. Until one believes, though the price has been paid, he is not saved.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Do you actually believe that Jesus died for everyone but his death saved no one?

Again, I explained what I meant. See post #(72) (64). "The shedding of Blood paid the price for all sin. It is the basis for our salvation. Christ died for all, but not all are saved."

I then asked 'why'? Post #(72).

Lees