Ephesians 2:1-10, Exegetical Discussion

[David Lamb]

Which three I count two? The dynamic dual Father and Son team .

The Holy Father striking the son causing Jesus the son of man to cry out for strength from Christ the Holy Spiit that worked in Jesus. . . just as it works in all born again sons of God .

Isaiah 53 -4&Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.;But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Genisis 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it (Christ) shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Why three? Where is the third hiding?

Which "let there be" word became flesh?


You are counting the Holy Spirit of the Holy Father as if it was separate and the father was spiritless.

No I am not saying that the Father is spiritless. I am relying on what the bible says, when it tells us for example that Jesus Christ said:

“"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (Joh 14:26 NKJV)

He didn't say: “"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, who is the Father, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” Why do you twist what the bible says? It clearly says that God the Father sends the Holy Spirit, yet you keep saying that the Father is the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 shows that the Father is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the third, and He is not hiding.

As for your question, "Which "let there be" word became flesh?" John 1:14 tells us Who He is:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

The previous verses tell us more about this Word. He is the incarnate Jesus Christ.

It's what Rome and a few others do "two Holy Fathers" one on earth the other sleeping. Keeping the invisible Holy Father invisible from dying mankind three is needed No earthly Holy Father no earthly queen of heaven

Please, I have asked you before, stop bringing up matters I haven't even mentioned and that I don't believe, things like the pope and the queen of heaven.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

According to their prayer in the name of the son of man first and foremost then the name of the Holy Father dividing the Father in the name Holy Spirit.

Two is the one witness God has spoken (1) the powerful "let there be". . .and (2) The unsen work became sight...Law of faith. Labor of His Love

 

[Mr GLee]

No I am not saying that the Father is spiritless. I am relying on what the bible says, when it tells us for example that Jesus Christ said:

“"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (Joh 14:26 NKJV)

He didn't say: “"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, who is the Father, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” Why do you twist what the bible says? It clearly says that God the Father sends the Holy Spirit, yet you keep saying that the Father is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ alone is the one good anointing teaching master .

In Mark one tried to pass it off as if the faithful power came from the Son of man Jesus. Therefore, the Fathers Holy Spirt does all the teaching

Bowing down venerating dying flesh and blood as the one good teaching master. No way. God is not a man.

He did say Holy Spirit, whom the Father sends, He (Holy Father) will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.”

How could the son of man Jesus dying mankind bring to our memory. Sons of God Christan's are warned of those antichrists another teaching authority other than (sola scriptura) Those who say we do need dying mankind to teach us (1 John 2)

It is Christ in us no other humans. Body snatchers

.Mark 10:16-18And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him,(worshipped) and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus Christ alone is the one good anointing teaching master .

Well, that's good, you are calling the Saviour "Jesus Christ" now, rather than doing what you so often do, trying to separate "Jesus" from "Christ."

In Mark one tried to pass it off as if the faithful power came from the Son of man Jesus. Therefore, the Fathers Holy Spirt does all the teaching

Bowing down venerating dying flesh and blood as the one good teaching master. No way. God is not a man.

But the bible teaches that God became Man in Jesus Christ:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

There you have it: "The Word was God," and "The Word became flesh."

He did say Holy Spirit, whom the Father sends, He (Holy Father) will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.”

No, He said:

“"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (Joh 14:26 NKJV)

The subject of the sentence is "the Helper, the Holy Spirit." "He" refers back to the subject of the sentence. The Holy Spirit would teach the disciples and bring the things that Jesus Christ had said to their remembrance.

How could the son of man Jesus dying mankind bring to our memory.

I Never said that He did. Nor does the verse I quoted. It says that the Holy Spirit would bring things to the disciples' memory.

Sons of God Christan's are warned of those antichrists another teaching authority other than (sola scriptura) Those who say we do need dying mankind to teach us (1 John 2)

It is Christ in us no other humans. Body snatchers

Yet we read Jesus saying to His disciples that He would be with them:

“And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.” (Mt 28:18-20 NKJV)

What have body snatchers got to do with this wonderful promise of the Saviour?

.Mark 10:16-18And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him,(worshipped) and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

You keep quoting that verse. Jesus cannot have meant, " Why do you call Me good? Only God is good and I am not God." When questioned by the high priest, who asked Jesus, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" Jesus replied that He was.

 

[Mr GLee]

No, three in one God. God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. At Creation for example, we have God the Father, we have the Spirit hovering on the face of the waters, and in John 1, we are told that the Son was involved too:

In creation we have the living words of the faithful Creator twofold working as one. (1) "Let there be" and the things seen dust that makes up flesh (2)"it was God alone good"

The law of the power faith as it is written

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Christ. . .let there be )

Well, that's good, you are calling the Saviour "Jesus Christ" now, rather than doing what you so often do, trying to separate "Jesus" from "Christ."

Yes, a separation between the Holy Father and Son of man Jesus outwardly representing savior giving meaning to the word. You could say two different kinds of saviors working as one.

Jesus the Son of man demonstrating the unseen work of the Holy Father our savior

Some did know Christ who worked in the Son of man. Jesus.

That one time promised demonstration is over. Therefore, we can see both saviors working as one

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (son of man) no more.

Some that are not satisfied with the one promised demonstration of two would keep on crucifying him over and over subjecting the Son of man Jesus to public shame as if one demonstration fell short of the glory of God

 

[David Lamb]

In creation we have the living words of the faithful Creator twofold working as one. (1) "Let there be" and the things seen dust that makes up flesh (2)"it was God alone good"

The law of the power faith as it is written

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Christ. . .let there be )

Why just say Christ? The bible says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." Paul writes in Romans:

“even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;” (Ro 3:22 NKJV)

“to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.” (Ro 3:26 NKJV)

Nowhere do we read in the bible about "power faith." It isn't faith which is powerful, but the One in Whom we have faith.

Yes, a separation between the Holy Father and Son of man Jesus outwardly representing savior giving meaning to the word. You could say two different kinds of saviors working as one.

Where in the bible are we told that there are two Saviours? Nowhere. Jesus Christ is called "the Saviour."

“For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,” (Php 3:20 NKJV)

“but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,” (2Ti 1:10 NKJV)

“whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,” (Tit 3:6 NKJV)

One Saviour, not two.

Jesus the Son of man demonstrating the unseen work of the Holy Father our savior

Some did know Christ who worked in the Son of man. Jesus.

No that is not biblical. Hundreds of times, the bible calls Him "Jesus Christ". Nowhere does the bible say that Jesus had Christ working in Him. And there are six places where the bible says unmistakably: "Jesus is the Christ." How can you change "Jesus is the Christ" to "Christ worked in Jesus?"

That one time promised demonstration is over. Therefore, we can see both saviors working as one

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (son of man) no more.

Some that are not satisfied with the one promised demonstration of two would keep on crucifying him over and over subjecting the Son of man Jesus to public shame as if one demonstration fell short of the glory of God

I don't know what you mean. I certainly don't believe that Jesus Christ has to be crucified over and over. The bible says:

“For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another — He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.” (Heb 9:24-26 NKJV)

That has nothing to do with believing that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are equally God.

 

[makesends]

Mr GLee. To remind you: Because you deny the Trinity, we require that you introduce your preaching posts with the disclaimer. Make it plain to your readers, that this is your opinion, and not authoritative. You are not permitted to proselytize here.

Which three I count two? The dynamic dual Father and Son team .

The Holy Father striking the son causing Jesus the son of man to cry out for strength from Christ the Holy Spiit that worked in Jesus. . . just as it works in all born again sons of God .

Mr GLee. To remind you: Because you deny the Trinity, we require that you introduce your preaching posts with the disclaimer. Make it plain to your readers, that this is your opinion, and not authoritative. You are not permitted to proselytize here.

Isaiah 53 -4&Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.;But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Genisis 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it (Christ) shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Why three? Where is the third hiding?

Which "let there be" word became flesh?


You are counting the Holy Spirit of the Holy Father as if it was separate and the father was spiritless.

Mr GLee. To remind you: Because you deny the Trinity, we require that you introduce your preaching posts with the disclaimer. Make it plain to your readers, that this is your opinion, and not authoritative. You are not permitted to proselytize here.

It's what Rome and a few others do "two Holy Fathers" one on earth the other sleeping. Keeping the invisible Holy Father invisible from dying mankind three is needed No earthly Holy Father no earthly queen of heaven

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

According to their prayer in the name of the son of man first and foremost then the name of the Holy Father dividing the Father in the name Holy Spirit.

Two is the one witness God has spoken (1) the powerful "let there be". . .and (2) The unsen work became sight...Law of faith. Labor of His Love

Mr GLee. To remind you: Because you deny the Trinity, we require that you introduce your preaching posts with the disclaimer. Make it plain to your readers, that this is your opinion, and not authoritative. You are not permitted to proselytize here.

 

[makesends]

Mr GLee. To remind you: Because you deny the Trinity, we require that you introduce your preaching posts with the disclaimer. Make it plain to your readers, that this is your opinion, and not authoritative. You are not permitted to proselytize here.

In creation we have the living words of the faithful Creator twofold working as one. (1) "Let there be" and the things seen dust that makes up flesh (2)"it was God alone good"

The law of the power faith as it is written

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (Christ. . .let there be )

Yes, a separation between the Holy Father and Son of man Jesus outwardly representing savior giving meaning to the word. You could say two different kinds of saviors working as one.

Mr GLee. To remind you: Because you deny the Trinity, we require that you introduce your preaching posts with the disclaimer. Make it plain to your readers, that this is your opinion, and not authoritative. You are not permitted to proselytize here.

Jesus the Son of man demonstrating the unseen work of the Holy Father our savior

Some did know Christ who worked in the Son of man. Jesus.

That one time promised demonstration is over. Therefore, we can see both saviors working as one

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (son of man) no more.

Some that are not satisfied with the one promised demonstration of two would keep on crucifying him over and over subjecting the Son of man Jesus to public shame as if one demonstration fell short of the glory of God

Mr GLee. To remind you: Because you deny the Trinity, we require that you introduce your preaching posts with the disclaimer. Make it plain to your readers, that this is your opinion, and not authoritative. You are not permitted to proselytize here.

 

[His clay]

Having talked about the book with a friend, he pointed out the heavy focus upon building terminology in the Greek. I've found that observation to have significant ramifications. However, I'm still pondering.

Just a reminder for those who are interacting in this thread, this thread is about Ephesians 2:1-10. I know that I've been away for some time, and I've not monitored this thread. I was helping my dad, especially over the last several months, take care of my mom who had Alzheimer's. She is in heaven now. Hopefully, I can be a helpful contributor to this forum again.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Having talked about the book with a friend, he pointed out the heavy focus upon building terminology in the Greek. I've found that observation to have significant ramifications. However, I'm still pondering.

Just a reminder for those who are interacting in this thread, this thread is about Ephesians 2:1-10. I know that I've been away for some time, and I've not monitored this thread. I was helping my dad, especially over the last several months, take care of my mom who had Alzheimer's. She is in heaven now. Hopefully, I can be a helpful contributor to this forum again.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Please don't worry about this thread. I was the one who ressurected the thread and addressed the OP

But there's certainly no stress or worry in needing to respond anytime soon. You be with family and do life. That's definitely more important.

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Mar 15, 2025

The goal of this thread is to have an exegetical discussion over Ephesians 2:1-10. For those of you who may be unaware, an exegetical discussion is one where the main focus is upon the book itself, and in particular the passage is the main focus.

I've not done this before I don't think, so consider me stupid and please be nice when calling me out for being so.

Often, Ephesians 2:8 is brought up and debated; but I'm seeking for a discussion that deals with the context of the verse. What context surrounds 2:8? This is probably the most critical question.

Gentiles...

• Hazelelponi

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God bless you and yours.

 

[His clay]

I'm so sorry for your loss. Please don't worry about this thread. I was the one who ressurected the thread and addressed the OP

But there's certainly no stress or worry in needing to respond anytime soon. You be with family and do life. That's definitely more important.

Post in thread 'Ephesians 2:1-10, Exegetical Discussion'

Mar 15, 2025

The goal of this thread is to have an exegetical discussion over Ephesians 2:1-10. For those of you who may be unaware, an exegetical discussion is one where the main focus is upon the book itself, and in particular the passage is the main focus.

I've not done this before I don't think, so consider me stupid and please be nice when calling me out for being so.

Often, Ephesians 2:8 is brought up and debated; but I'm seeking for a discussion that deals with the context of the verse. What context surrounds 2:8? This is probably the most critical question.

Gentiles...

• Hazelelponi

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God bless you and yours.

Thank you. Family is certainly important. Getting back to a new routine of life after taking care of a loved one is also important. And one of my favorite things in life is taking a little time to interact in internet forums. Having a hobby or diversion is also important. I enjoy being pushed to study scripture, and I enjoy the different perspectives other minds bring (trolls being the exception). So, forum discussions are largely therapeutic for me, similar to how a hobby is therapeutic.

 

[Eleanor]

The heavy focus upon building terminology in the Greek turned into tearing down the true with a few Greek to English words that have changed authority destroying original intent.

Therefore, changing the authorship into spiritual plagiarism. Violating both the first commandment have no other gods before out one Living God Christ the one source of Christian new-born again faith. With the Deuteronomy 4;2 warning used to protect the author, it is coupled with the warning in Revelation 22 do not add or subtract from the whole bible. Both working as one integrity law not subject to change

One word can change the authority of the whole or perfect

Deuteronomy4: 2Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Again, one word changes all the loving commandment establishing a new author (Satan)

The main word that changes the authority is apostle "sent messenger" the ones with beautiful feet shod with the gospel (sola scriptura)

.It was turned into Highly venerable ones that Lord it over the faith or spiritual understanding of the non-venerable pew warmers

Clearly the first apostle and martyr as born-again Abel. Abel is used to represent a man must be born again. The spiritual seed Christ it was passed on to Eno another second born. Through 28 generations eventually passed on from Abraham another second born to represent a man must be born again from above

It was then born-again men began to cry out our heavenly Holy Fathe. The seed second born Christ in us.it as a shadow became sight with the birth of Jesus the Son of man. Some saw no value in the spiritual unseen things of Christ. Esaul traded his first-born rights for a cup of hairy goal soup. Onan poured out the seed also seeing no value in the eternal things not seen

Genisi 4:25;And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.;And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then(Not before) began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Jesus said marvel or wonder not a man must be born again from above.

NIce format. . .

 

[His clay]

The heavy focus upon building terminology in the Greek turned into tearing down the true with a few Greek to English words that have changed authority destroying original intent.

Therefore, changing the authorship into spiritual plagiarism. Violating both the first commandment have no other gods before out one Living God Christ the one source of Christian new-born again faith. With the Deuteronomy 4;2 warning used to protect the author, it is coupled with the warning in Revelation 22 do not add or subtract from the whole bible. Both working as one integrity law not subject to change

One word can change the authority of the whole or perfect

Deuteronomy4: 2Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Again, one word changes all the loving commandment establishing a new author (Satan)

The main word that changes the authority is apostle "sent messenger" the ones with beautiful feet shod with the gospel (sola scriptura)

.It was turned into Highly venerable ones that Lord it over the faith or spiritual understanding of the non-venerable pew warmers

Clearly the first apostle and martyr as born-again Abel. Abel is used to represent a man must be born again. The spiritual seed Christ it was passed on to Eno another second born. Through 28 generations eventually passed on from Abraham another second born to represent a man must be born again from above

It was then born-again men began to cry out our heavenly Holy Fathe. The seed second born Christ in us.it as a shadow became sight with the birth of Jesus the Son of man. Some saw no value in the spiritual unseen things of Christ. Esaul traded his first-born rights for a cup of hairy goal soup. Onan poured out the seed also seeing no value in the eternal things not seen

Genisi 4:25;And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.;And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then(Not before) began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Jesus said marvel or wonder not a man must be born again from above.

Interesting. Are you suggesting that I'm destroying the original author's intent (paragraph 1)? Are you trying to say that I'm committing spiritual plagiarism (paragraph 2)?

If yes, I'm unsure how you have arrived at such thoughts. This has every appearance of an ad-hom attack (if yes, to above questions).

You state, "establishing a new author (Satan)." I honestly have no idea where this is coming from. Are you trying to troll me?