Ephesians 2:1-10, Exegetical Discussion

[makesends]

Dying humans are not Devine.

Christ the one good teaching master is the Devine Holy Father

God is not a man as us

The faithful power by and through the born again seed Christ the ressurection not the birth according to the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus

Romans 1:3-5-8 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;;And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith (Christ's) among all nations, for his name:

No power of the dying flesh powerless.

Are "Jesus", and, "the Christ", two different beings?

Be plain. Do you deny the Trinity? Do you deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? Do you deny that Jesus is the Messiah?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Thanks, you mentioned two the Holy Spirit of the Father Christ working in the Son of man, Jesus.

Where does the 3rd come in?

1. Holy Spirit (proceeding from the Father)

2.) The Father

3.) Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of the living God and the second Person of the Trinity, God with us.

(In the order you placed... You know exactly who the Godhead is, you just refuse to acknowledge Him).

Spirits called gods live in persons.

No, only the Holy Spirit is called God

On one occasion Jesus the Son of man was accused of blaspheming the name of the Holy Father

Because in laying claim to being the Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth was claiming to be Divine.

If Jesus was not the Messiah then he would have indeed been communicating blasphemy by making the claim to be the Messiah.

But Jesus didn't blaspheme because He really is the Son of God, and is the second person of the Trinity - we know this because He rose from the dead on the 3rd day.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Just because we are called the sons of God doesn't place us in the same category as the Messiah, who is God with us.

To pretend it does is blaspheming God. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our Messiah, our Savior, our Lord, our King.

God with us.

 

[Mr GLee]

1. Holy Spirit (proceeding from the Father)

2.) The Father

3.) Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of the living God and the second Person of the Trinity, God with us.

(In the order you placed... You know exactly who the Godhead is, you just refuse to acknowledge Him).

Hi Thanks

That is still two.

Eternal God who is not a dying Jewish a man and the Son of man, Jesus a dying Jew. The dynamic dual.

The demonstration of the bruised heel. First prophesied in parable in Genesis 3:15 with a witness Isaiah 53.

The one Holy Spirit proceeding from the one Holy Father. Three is a crowd.

Note. . (red) Holy Father the Holy Spirit

Note. . .(green) the bride of Christ the church

Note . . . (black bolded) Satan the father of lies

It can be viewed according to the three day and night demonstration of the lamb which was slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Spirit of the Holy Father worked out his plan.

Three different demonstrations. Beginning the suffering unto death in the Garden the demonstration of two the Holy Father striking the Son bruising his heel in order to fulfill that prophecy of two working as if one. Three times in despair Jesus looked for strength from the other apostles Three times the Holy Father put them asleep in order to fulfill the bruising of the heel parable.

Then the demonstration moved to promised cross the hill of Skull ceremony the bloody demonstration to the whole world in a hope of drawing them to the living word. Giving the illusion of a Satan inspired crowd. did the work.

And the final the demonstration of the Tomb. The demonstration of faith (not seen)

The problem as I understand is that all three different kinds work as one many refuse to believe the Holy Father is doing all the work striking and healing demonstrated by the outward flesh of the Son of man, Jesus.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it (Christ) shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Isaiah 53:4-5 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:10-11Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.;He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Three is a crowd Three in parables denotes the end of a matter throughout the Bible

 

[Mr GLee]

Are "Jesus", and, "the Christ", two different beings?

Be plain. Do you deny the Trinity? Do you deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? Do you deny that Jesus is the Messiah?

Yes, Jesus the Son of man (dying mankind) And Christ the one good, infallible teaching Master the Holy Spirit of the Holy Father. God

Mark demonstrates one that misplaced the powerful faith as a labor of love of the Holy Father and gave it over to dying mankind the Son of man Jesus

Jesus, I believe would never say he is the anointed good teaching, Master . . giving all glory to the Holy Father

Mark 10:17-18, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

 

[Josheb]

Are "Jesus", and, "the Christ", two different beings?

No, Jesus and the Christ are not two separate beings.

Be plain. Do you deny the Trinity?

No, I affirm, not deny, the doctrine of the Trinity.

Do you deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?

No. Jesus came in the flesh.

Do you deny that Jesus is the Messiah?

I affirm Jesus as the long-prophesied Messiah.


However, technically, the "Messiah," and the "Christ" are the same labels. The words mean "anointed one." Jesus is the anointed one promised and prophesied by God. There are many people mentioned in the Bible who were anointed by God, but Jesus is the only capable of considering equality with God something to be grasped, the only one who came from and was sent by the Father to redeem creation from sin and provide the means by which any may be resurrected from the grave and be transformed, the only one by which any may avoid the wrath of God due sin.

 

[Eleanor]

Dying humans are not Devine.

Wrong. . .Christ, the Word, is both human and divine.

The Word was God (Jn 1:1), the Word became flesh (Jn 1:14) in Jesus of Nazareth.

You simply do not believe Jn 1:1, 14.

 

[makesends]

Yes, Jesus the Son of man (dying mankind) And Christ the one good, infallible teaching Master the Holy Spirit of the Holy Father. God

Mark demonstrates one that misplaced the powerful faith as a labor of love of the Holy Father and gave it over to dying mankind the Son of man Jesus

Jesus, I believe would never say he is the anointed good teaching, Master . . giving all glory to the Holy Father

Mark 10:17-18, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

So, you deny that Jesus is God come in the flesh. You deny that Christ came in the flesh. You claim that the Spirit is only part of the Father, and not in itself also God. You deny that there is a trinity. Am I correct?

 

[makesends]

Yes, Jesus the Son of man (dying mankind) And Christ the one good, infallible teaching Master the Holy Spirit of the Holy Father. God

Mark demonstrates one that misplaced the powerful faith as a labor of love of the Holy Father and gave it over to dying mankind the Son of man Jesus

Jesus, I believe would never say he is the anointed good teaching, Master . . giving all glory to the Holy Father

Mark 10:17-18, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Concerning Mark 10:17-18, Jesus is speaking rhetorically here.

"...a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone."

He is saying, in effect, "Don't just call me 'good teacher'. If I am only a good teacher, I am not God. But I am more than just 'good teacher'." Notice that in all the gospels, he never says that he is not God.

 

[Hazelelponi]

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Hi Thanks

That is still two.

This is a lie. God is triune in nature according to the inspired word of God.

The Trinity exists in 3 persons​

1. “Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.*​

*The Son is speaking but refers to the Father and the Holy Spirit.

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"And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

The Father is God​

"Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal". John 6:27

"To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 1:7

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"To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you." 1 Peter 1:1

The Son is God​

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:1

"To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen". Romans 9:5

"For in him [Jesus] the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily". Colossians 2:9

"But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.” Hebrews 1:8

"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life". 1 John 5:20

The Holy Spirit is God​

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light." Genesis 1:2

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"But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” Acts 5:3-4

"Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:16

There is only one God​

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one". Deuteronomy 6:4

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"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.” Isaiah 44:6

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"I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other". Isaiah 45:5

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"Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” 1 Corinthians 8:4



Pay careful attention now:

"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one". Galatians 3:20

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"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 2:5


"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!" James 2:19


Our God is Triune according to the Scriptures. God has revealed this to us of His nature.

Eternal God who is not a dying Jewish a man and the Son of man, Jesus a dying Jew. The dynamic dual.

DO NOT speak of Jesus Christ in such a disgusting and disrespectful manner in my presence.

I will point out a couple things to you.

I'm willing to stand against the gates of hell in this world because I am what I am, a being created to stand with the elect when hell comes - (and it's here (yea! Lol))

But what I tolerate in this world, I don't tolerate in my own house - EVER. Though I am brand new here, you have come to my house now.

As such, I require the respect of the house we are in and will tolerate no less than:

You will treat Scriptures with respect as they are words of God - no exceptions. Respect the written word.

You will stop openly blaspheming my Lord and Savior when you speak to me.

You will not make up your own religion as you proselytize hell. If you have a point to make use the actual word of God to make it from here on out.

Also:

God gives us a Spirit of a sound mind. I ask you use that soundness to fullest extent possible and stop the word salads nonsense and act like a normal human being.

This is my faith and I'm done sitting around while you drag my God through the mud.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Trinity exists in 3 persons​

1. “Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.*​

*The Son is speaking but refers to the Father and the Holy Spirit.

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"And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Holy Father that worked in the Son of man, Jesus .

The Holy Spirit of the Holy Father prophesied “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Not a salvation issue more of how can we hear God and not the private interpretation as commentaries of men .

Jesus is not ashamed to call his new born again family brothers sister and mother .The Holy father in heaven gave words to his apostle Jesus not to call any man on earth Holy Father .a must for some religion .No need for a third (queen mother) trinity.

The witness of two. . the dynamic dual

1# Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

2# Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[David Lamb]

Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Holy Father that worked in the Son of man, Jesus .

The Holy Spirit of the Holy Father prophesied “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

You seem to have misquoted Scripture here. Here are the words in their context:

“When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."” (Mt 3:16-17 NKJV)

You see? The Spirit of God descended like a dove and alighted upon Jesus Christ. The words, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." were spoken by a voice from heaven, the voice of God the Father. You seem so eager so separate Jesus from Christ, that you seem to be willing to disregard the hundreds of Scriptures which call Him "Jesus Christ," and those six verses which actually say, "Jesus is the Christ."

Not a salvation issue more of how can we hear God and not the private interpretation as commentaries of men .

Jesus is not ashamed to call his new born again family brothers sister and mother .The Holy father in heaven gave words to his apostle Jesus not to call any man on earth Holy Father .a must for some religion .No need for a third (queen mother) trinity.

Who said anything about a queen mother? People who believe the Trinity hold that the three in one are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So you should have written, "No need for a fourth (queen mother) quartet."

The witness of two. . the dynamic dual

1# Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

2# Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

But there is no dynamic dual. Remember what Jesus answered when the high priest asked Him if He was the Christ, the Son of the blessed? He answered that He is. So that gives us two: Jesus Christ the Son, and His heavenly Father. Then we have:

“"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (Joh 14:26 NKJV)

There you have the third, the Holy Spirit.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Again the

Good morning I would also like to ask you not to use colors. I am going blind (literally) and all the colors makes it very hard to see anything.

I'm sorry for being a pain and I thank you for your patience with me.

Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Holy Father

The Bible definitely shows the Holy Spirit as a distinct person or substance from the Father, while still remaining one ousia, or essence, to Him. I have shown you a verse and an instance in the Holy Scriptures where the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were all shown together, each person, substance, or hypostasis, is shown distinct from the others

"And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased".

The Father speaking from Heaven, The Holy Spirit descending out of Heaven, and Jesus having just been baptized.

These are three distinct hypostasis (substances or persons) with a single ousia or essence.

John Calvin in his commentary on Hebrews 1:3 noted the orthodox opinion of the church as:

Commentary:

"The word ῦποστάσις which, by following others, I have rendered substance, denotes not, as I think, the being or essence of the Father, but his person; for it would be strange to say that the essence of God is impressed on Christ, as the essence of both is simply the same. But it may truly and fitly be said that whatever peculiarly belongs to the Father is exhibited in Christ, so that he who knows him knows what is in the Father. And in this sense do the orthodox fathers take this term, hypostasis, considering it to be threefold in God, while the essence (οὐσία) is simply one.

Hilary everywhere takes the Latin word substance for person. But though it be not the Apostle’s object in this place to speak of what Christ is in himself, but of what he is really to us, yet he sufficiently confutes the Asians and Sabellians; for he claims for Christ what belongs to God alone, and also refers to two distinct persons, as to the Father and the Son. For we hence learn that the Son is one God with the Father, and that he is yet in a sense distinct from him, so that a subsistence or person belongs to both."

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Not a salvation issue more of how can we hear God and not the private interpretation as commentaries of men

Can you hear God?

Are you not a fallible man yourself giving private interpretation?

But Scripture says that interpretation is not a private matter - hence the church.

2 Peter 1:19–21, “And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation."

As I have mentioned previously, everything we think and believe has to align with Scripture, and figuring that out is a matter for the church elect.

What fallible men say is just what fallible men say and they can be correct in their thinking or incorrect, but the Bible says that God will give us shepherds after His own heart (Jeremiah 3:15) and so we give a greater consideration to the men of God and their thoughts, as we explore what our thoughts and beliefs might be or become.

It is perhaps we have missed important considerations in our own thinking so God gave us one another to learn from and lean on as we grow in the knowledge of God.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Bible definitely shows the Holy Spirit as a distinct person or substance from the Father, while still remaining one ousia, or essence, to Him. I have shown you a verse and an instance in the Holy Scriptures where the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were all shown together, each person, substance, or hypostasis, is shown distinct from the others

"And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased".

Hi Thanks .

Did you mean the spiritual invisible substance ?

eternal God is one Spirit

Impossible to separate the Holy Father from the Holy Spirt . .one in the same. it woks in believers Christ in us .Yoked with him He can make our burden lighter .

Heard the Holy Father using a symbol of peace (dove) announcing his apostle prophet jesus the Son of man

The dynamic dual Father and Son team .

Can you hear God?

Are you not a fallible man yourself giving private interpretation?

But Scripture says that interpretation is not a private matter - hence the church.

2 Peter 1:19–21, “And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation."

As I have mentioned previously, everything we think and believe has to align with Scripture, and figuring that out is a matter for the church elect.

What fallible men say is just what fallible men say and they can be correct in their thinking or incorrect, but the Bible says that God will give us shepherds after His own heart (Jeremiah 3:15) and so we give a greater consideration to the men of God and their thoughts, as we explore what our thoughts and beliefs might be or become.

It is perhaps we have missed important considerations in our own thinking so God gave us one another to learn from and lean on as we grow in the knowledge of God.

Yes mankind can hear God as it is written, as it is written (sola scriptura) makes the devil flee

Scripture says his interpretation is not a private matter - hence the one good teaching master Christ

Mark 10:16-18;And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Not the church as a daysman (Job 9) called the Pope today

Miraculously not only does he bring to our memory the things he has taught his sons of God but continues to comfort and teach all the days of our life


John 14: 26;But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Thanks .

Did you mean the spiritual invisible substance ?

eternal God is one Spirit

Impossible to separate the Holy Father from the Holy Spirt . .one in the same. it woks in believers Christ in us .Yoked with him He can make our burden lighter .

I have seen you many times trying to separate Jesus from Christ. Here, you are trying to join the Father and the Holy Spirit. That just is not biblical. In the bible, we are told:

“"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (Joh 14:26 NKJV)

There, we are told that the Father will send the Holy Spirit. If, as you say, the Father is the Holy Spirit, that verse does not make any sense.

Heard the Holy Father using a symbol of peace (dove) announcing his apostle prophet jesus the Son of man

The dynamic dual Father and Son team .

No, the triumphant Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Yes mankind can hear God as it is written, as it is written (sola scriptura) makes the devil flee

Scripture says his interpretation is not a private matter - hence the one good teaching master Christ

Jesus Christ is called Teacher in the bible. For example:

“And Jesus answered and said to him, "Simon, I have something to say to you." So he said, "Teacher, say it."” (Lu 7:40 NKJV)

“Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).” (Joh 20:16 NKJV)

Mark 10:16-18;And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Yes, you have brought that up before. Jesus was not saying to the man, "I am not good. Only God is good, and I am not God." How do I know? Well, passages like this:

“Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. "You are of [your] father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own [resources], for he is a liar and the father of it. "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. "Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?” (Joh 8:42-46 NKJV)

Even His enemies couldn't convict Him of sin. Also this passage:

“Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.” (Heb 4:14-15 NKJV)

Not the church as a daysman (Job 9) called the Pope today

But the post to which you were replying didn't mention the pope, or even Roman Catholicism. Why bring it up?

Miraculously not only does he bring to our memory the things he has taught his sons of God but continues to comfort and teach all the days of our life


John 14: 26;But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

That very verse shows that the Holy Spirit is not the Father. The Father sends the Holy Spirit.

 

[Hazelelponi]

eternal God is one Spirit

Eternal God is one essence in 3 distinct hypostasis.

Impossible to separate the Holy Father from the Holy Spirt . .one in the same.

We aren't separating anything, we are trying to understand Scripture as it is written, by reading the written word and seeking God's understanding of it.

For example:

"When the universe was created God spoke the powerful creative words that brought into being, God the Son was the divine agent who carried out these words (John 1:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) and God the Holy Spirit was active "moving over to waters" (Genesis 1:2)" paragraph quoted from Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology. (Free PDF download)

We have to take into consideration God's unchanging nature when considering God's being as depicted in Scripture.

When Scripture depicts God as 3 persons in one singular essence, then we also must consider God thusly, as that is how Scripture has explained this Nature to us.

This is why I began our discussion by showing all the relevant Bible verses so it's easier to see what God is revealing to us of his immutable nature.

it woks in believers Christ in us .Yoked with him He can make our burden lighter .

When we believe in Jesus, believe in our hearts that He is risen from the dead on the 3rd day and confess with our tongues that He is Lord, then we will be sealed in Him for the Day. ( Romans 10:9 and Ephesians 1:13)

If we notice, belief that Jesus is Lord is a very key part of our response to His saving work, it is in fact a required response.

We cannot believe in and declare something we don't understand from the outset.

Heard the Holy Father using a symbol of peace (dove) announcing his apostle prophet jesus the Son of man

The dynamic dual Father and Son team

If you can read Scripture, God is 3 persons in one essence.

If all you are planning is to ignore the plain words of Scripture then we cannot have a discussion.

I believe in the Bible and it's words. It's my authority in all matters. If you cannot define your position according to Scripture itself then all your doing is being a false prophet speaking against God, and trying to lead others astray by telling them not to believe in the clear teachings of Scripture.

I showed that Scripture is showing clearly a triune God, and you ignored my every word, and spouted your own private interpretation. This is antithetical to everything Scripture teaches us.

Not the church as a daysman (Job 9) called the Pope today

I said not one thing about the Pope or the RCC. When I do I'll be very clear about it.

The church is God's people throughout time, whether natural or adopted.

 

[Mr GLee]

I have seen you many times trying to separate Jesus from Christ. Here, you are trying to join the Father and the Holy Spirit. That just is not biblical. In the bible, we are told:

“"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (Joh 14:26 NKJV)

Thanks foe the reply

I think you meant separate the Son of Man, Jesus from the Holy Father Christ. The other Jesus (savior) our Father

Christ. . . meaning the one good teaching (anointing) master.

God is not a man as us neither is there any infallible fleshly interpreter that sits between our Holy Father not seen and dying mankind seen

One tried to make the Son of man Jesus the chief apostle into the one good teaching master the Holy Spirit, whom the Father sends

Mark 10:17-18;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus (Son of man )not Christ the Father )said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Remember the father is the one that resurrected the born again Son of man Jesus who began the son of God (the Father Christ,

No power from his earthly birth, Mary our sister in the Lord did not give birth to eternal God.

Romans 1:4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The Holy Father one with power bruised the heel of the Son of man Jesus crushing the head of the serpent .God striking the Son and healing him in order to finish the work of two

To attribute it to the son of man Jesus dying mankind that would be to blaspheme the Holy name of the Holy Father

Salvation is not attributed to the Son of man Jesus. But the Father the savor meaning Jesus.

Two Jesus's or saviors working as one . The dynamic dual.

 

[David Lamb]

Thanks foe the reply

I think you meant separate the Son of Man, Jesus from the Holy Father Christ.

No I didn't. Nowhere does the bible refer to Christ as "Holy Father." Itr often refers to Him as the Son:

“Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."” (Mt 16:16 NKJV)

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” (Mr 1:1 NKJV)

“"Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."” (Joh 6:69 NKJV)

“She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world."” (Joh 11:27 NKJV)

“but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.” (Joh 20:31 NKJV)

“Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.” (Ac 9:20 NKJV)

The other Jesus (savior) our Father

What "other Jesus?"

Christ. . . meaning the one good teaching (anointing) master.

No, as I have said before, Christ means "anointed". It doesn't mean "the one good teaching (anointing) master" as you say.

God is not a man as us neither is there any infallible fleshly interpreter that sits between our Holy Father not seen and dying mankind seen

I never said that God is a man. But God took on human flesh as Jesus Christ.

One tried to make the Son of man Jesus the chief apostle into the one good teaching master the Holy Spirit, whom the Father sends

Mark 10:17-18;And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus (Son of man )not Christ the Father )said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Remember the father is the one that resurrected the born again Son of man Jesus who began the son of God (the Father Christ,

Now you seem really confused, and confusing. Before, you have said that the Son of man Jesus died and returned to dust. Now you say that the Father resurrected Him. I remind you of a passage from John 10. The passage concerned starts in verse 7:

“Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.” (Joh 10:7 NKJV)

It is still the same Jesus speaking in verses 17-18:

“"Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)

As for Christ being the Father, where do you find that in the bible?

No power from his earthly birth, Mary our sister in the Lord did not give birth to eternal God.

Romans 1:4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The Holy Father one with power bruised the heel of the Son of man Jesus crushing the head of the serpent .God striking the Son and healing him in order to finish the work of two

To attribute it to the son of man Jesus dying mankind that would be to blaspheme the Holy name of the Holy Father

No it is not blasphemy. It is believing what God says in His word the bible.

Salvation is not attributed to the Son of man Jesus. But the Father the savor meaning Jesus.

Yes it is. That is why He was given the name "Jesus":

“"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."” (Mt 1:21 NKJV)

"Saving His people" = salvation. How can you say, without denying scripture, that salvation is not attributed to Jesus?

Two Jesus's or saviors working as one . The dynamic dual.

The bible does not speak of 2 Saviours. Just one:

“"If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, "let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. "This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:9-12 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

Eternal God is one essence in 3 distinct hypostasis.

One, not three.

"let there be" and "it was God alone good". The law or power of faith. Believing the eternal things not seen.

Christ in us, yoked with him our daily burdens can be lighter.

Three is used as a metaphor has already and established meaning used in parables. Three denotes the end of a matter .Used the first time in Genesis His glory departed . Day four he switched on the two temporal corruption timekeeper winding down to the last day under the Sun.

In Mathew 4 the beginning of the ministry of two the Father working in Jesus the Son of man the prophet . Three times to denotes the end of the matter Christ gave words to his prophet Jesus .as it is written and again and again struck him out then the devil did flee.

Many examples of three used in that way.

Three is needed to develop a queen mother in heaven oral tradition as the will of dying mankind. The unholy Trinity. They must call no man on earth Holy Father or Holy Mother. It began with the Pharisees with Sadducees passed down to Catholicism.

Women, atheist Jews demanded his and hers gods in the likeness of mankind. (today called patron saints) Having full permission from the hen-pecked husbands they refused to hear all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura_ .But rather whatsoever their own mouths come up with .The sky the limit

Jerimiah 44:15Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,;As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.;But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil

Eternal God has no nature a beginning. He remains supernatural without beginning or end of days.

 

[David Lamb]

One, not three.

No, three in one God. God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. At Creation for example, we have God the Father, we have the Spirit hovering on the face of the waters, and in John 1, we are told that the Son was involved too:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

Verse 14 makes it clear that "the Word" is Jesus Christ:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

"let there be" and "it was God alone good". The law or power of faith. Believing the eternal things not seen.

Christ in us, yoked with him our daily burdens can be lighter.

Yes, with Jesus Christ, our burdens do indeed become lighter.

Three is used as a metaphor has already and established meaning used in parables. Three denotes the end of a matter .Used the first time in Genesis His glory departed . Day four he switched on the two temporal corruption timekeeper winding down to the last day under the Sun.

In Mathew 4 the beginning of the ministry of two the Father working in Jesus the Son of man the prophet . Three times to denotes the end of the matter Christ gave words to his prophet Jesus .as it is written and again and again struck him out then the devil did flee.

Many examples of three used in that way.

Three is needed to develop a queen mother in heaven oral tradition as the will of dying mankind. The unholy Trinity. They must call no man on earth Holy Father or Holy Mother. It began with the Pharisees with Sadducees passed down to Catholicism.

No, you keep saying that "Three is needed to develop a queen mother in heaven". But it isn't. That would require at least four. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and the so-called queen of heaven. But as far as I am aware, none of us are with whom you are discussing the Trinity have even mentioned a queen of heaven. I don't believe that Roman Catholic notion, and I don't think Hazelelponi does either.

Women, atheist Jews demanded his and hers gods in the likeness of mankind. (today called patron saints) Having full permission from the hen-pecked husbands they refused to hear all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura_ .But rather whatsoever their own mouths come up with .The sky the limit

I believe in the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I do NOT believe in "patron saints" or "his and hers gods".

Jerimiah 44:15Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,;As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.;But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil

Eternal God has no nature a beginning. He remains supernatural without beginning or end of days.

God the Father and the Holy Spirit have no physical nature. Jesus Christ, the Son of God took human flesh when He was born of Mary.

 

[Mr GLee]

No, three in one God. God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. At Creation for example, we have God the Father, we have the Spirit hovering on the face of the waters, and in John 1, we are told that the Son was involved too:

Which three I count two? The dynamic dual Father and Son team .

The Holy Father striking the son causing Jesus the son of man to cry out for strength from Christ the Holy Spiit that worked in Jesus. . . just as it works in all born again sons of God .

Isaiah 53 -4&Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.;But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Genisis 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it (Christ) shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Why three? Where is the third hiding?

Verse 14 makes it clear that "the Word" is Jesus Christ:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

Which "let there be" word became flesh?

No, you keep saying that "Three is needed to develop a queen mother in heaven". But it isn't. That would require at least four. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and the so-called queen of heaven. But as far as I am aware, none of us are with whom you are discussing the Trinity have even mentioned a queen of heaven. I don't believe that Roman Catholic notion, and I don't think Hazelelponi does either.

You are counting the Holy Spirit of the Holy Father as if it was separate and the father was spiritless.

It's what Rome and a few others do "two Holy Fathers" one on earth the other sleeping. Keeping the invisible Holy Father invisible from dying mankind three is needed No earthly Holy Father no earthly queen of heaven

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

According to their prayer in the name of the son of man first and foremost then the name of the Holy Father dividing the Father in the name Holy Spirit.

Two is the one witness God has spoken (1) the powerful "let there be". . .and (2) The unsen work became sight...Law of faith. Labor of His Love