Young Earth/Old Earth

[TB2]

It only needs one illustration.....

They suppress the revelation of God's creation by burying it in tons of meaningless data concerning genetics and evolution.

God gave science so we would glory in the wonder of how we were made... Not to disprove God created.

Science is neutral. There are thousands of scientists who are Christian that you unfairly lump in. The issue is not science, the issue is not evolutionary biology. The issue is METAPHYSICAL NATURALISM/ATHEISM.

 

[GeneZ]

Science is neutral. There are thousands of scientists who are Christian that you unfairly lump in. The issue is not science, the issue is not evolutionary biology. The issue is METAPHYSICAL NATURALISM/ATHEISM.

I speak of those who use the data to push aside the evidence of "Intelligent Design."

Not Christians who understand how God created man.

When in Bible college I knew various types of scientists who accepted creation without blinking...
We were taught the Gap theory and it made sense to all of us as far as I can tell....

 

[TB2]

I speak of those who use the data to push aside the evidence of "Intelligent Design."

Not Christians who understand how God created man.

When in Bible college I knew various types of scientists who accepted creation without blinking...
We were taught the Gap theory and it made sense to all of us as far as I can tell....

And what is that evidence?

 

[EarlyActs]

Lol!

BEGINNING OF THE FLOOD: FOUNTAIN OF THE DEEP BURSTING

AFTER THE FLOOD: MEGA FLORA IN MILE DEEP ICE

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO: NONE

RATIONAL RESPONSE

IRRATIONAL RESPONSE: Trying to make something that happened after the Flood hydrologically caused by the start of the Flood!

I purposely held my trump card TB: Every single model I know has the fountains' water circulating in the upper atmosphere and becoming the ice that encased so much. Most of that ice was not 'insensitive' to the drastic change in climate and broke up in the following decades.

I simply can't believe the familiarity you seem to have with material, but the unwillingness, the begrudging, to deny those models their point, which makes perfect sense and has been shown in animation models since H Brown, DOD logistician attempted to explain in the 90s, and Dr. Sylvestru. God brought CGI into professional quality so we could 'see' these things.

So I guess the answer is red letters and CAPS.

Remember, the Hebrew term is not flood. It is destructive event; we see that waters and breaking the crust are major parts of that. That is why Dan 9 can use it about the 1st cent. Judea situation: the end will come like a d'bar. There doesn't have to be water, but there does have to be destruction.

 

[TB2]

I purposely held my trump card TB: Every single model I know has the fountains' water circulating in the upper atmosphere and becoming the ice that encased so much. Most of that ice was not 'insensitive' to the drastic change in climate and broke up in the following decades.

What are you talking about? It's the fountains of the deep that burst open, not the atmosphere

 

[EarlyActs]

And what is that evidence?

TB is spent hours debating a European biologist last month ('why are you afraid of evolution' he started each post) and he continually regrouped what he was saying back from pantheism, until I told him, your creatures are 'evolve-thinking'; you are attributing to them the ability to design limbs, muscles, better vision, bigger teeth etc. It is folly. But it is design, was my point. It is imaginary and supplied by BMW engineers.

 

[EarlyActs]

What are you talking about? It's the fountains of the deep that burst open, not the atmosphere

Sorry but you are NOT familiar with any of the material I have found out there for 3 years. It is not my job to do that for you. But you do NOT know what those catatrophists are saying. You can't or you refuse to see it.

 

[GeneZ]

And what is that evidence?

Was that a rhetorical question?

Or, your are confessing that you do not know how the living creation reveals it must have an Intelligent designer?

 

[TB2]

TB is spent hours debating a European biologist last month ('why are you afraid of evolution' he started each post) and he continually regrouped what he was saying back from pantheism, until I told him, your creatures are 'evolve-thinking'; you are attributing to them the ability to design limbs, muscles, better vision, bigger teeth etc. It is folly. But it is design, was my point. It is imaginary and supplied by BMW engineers.

More of that YEC false propaganda. You're fighting the wrong person

 

[TB2]

Was that a rhetorical question?

Or, your are confessing that you do not know how the living creation reveals it must have an Intelligent designer?

I'm asking you to present what you think the scientific evidence for ID is

 

[TB2]

Sorry but you are NOT familiar with any of the material I have found out there for 3 years. It is not my job to do that for you. But you do NOT know what those catatrophists are saying. You can't or you refuse to see it.

The BIBLE says "the fountains of the deep." Why don't you just kindly re-explain what you're trying to say about the fountains of the deep in the atmosphere because there are a lot of comments and it's easy to misunderstand.

I've already told you my position on the fountains of the deep many, many times. You've keep saying it means something else. I disagree. So there we are.

 

[GeneZ]

I'm asking you to present what you think the scientific evidence for ID is

I will illustrate with the human body...

Science has revealed that evolution could not have produced all the interdependent organs with their functions by a process of "evolving."

You can not have a heart without a stomach. You can not have a stomach without the intestines.

Do I need to go on? Any biologists who studies hormonal function and the specialized organs that produce them would look foolish to say that the hormones did not have to happen in the early stages of the "evolutionary process." A process that brought to us having the human body.

The more we understand the complex deep intricacies and interactions needed by different body parts to keep it alive? It becomes insane to consider they were able to first evolve into performing into their actions.

My God! It would have taken some creature millions of years before it could have its first bowel movement!

To maintain biological viability, human bodies... even a primitive monkey, had to have been pre planned by some ultra genius designer and created fully functional from the start.

God in his omniscience was knowing what the future has in store. So He created life that was designed to be able to adapt to changes he saw as needed. We have learned to call this factor "evolution." Its really the foresight and foreknowledge of the Designer being manifested when it happens...

grace and peace ....................

 

[TB2]

Science has revealed that evolution could not have produced all the interdependent organs with their functions by a process of "evolving."

Please direct me to the scientific studies that demonstrate this

 

[GeneZ]

Please direct me to the scientific studies that demonstrate this

TB2... you are getting ridiculous.

I am not doing a job interview.

And, you are not hiring me.

 

[Rella]

I will illustrate with the human body...

Science has revealed that evolution could not have produced all the interdependent organs with their functions by a process of "evolving."

You can not have a heart without a stomach. You can not have a stomach without the intestines.

Do I need to go on? Any biologists who studies hormonal function and the specialized organs that produce them would look foolish to say that the hormones did not have to happen in the early stages of the "evolutionary process." A process that brought to us having the human body.

The more we understand the complex deep intricacies and interactions needed by different body parts to keep it alive? It becomes insane to consider they were able to first evolve into performing into their actions.

My God! It would have taken some creature millions of years before it could have its first bowel movement!

To maintain biological viability, human bodies... even a primitive monkey, had to have been pre planned by some ultra genius designer and created fully functional from the start.

God in his omniscience was knowing what the future has in store. So He created life that was designed to be able to adapt to changes he saw as needed. We have learned to call this factor "evolution." Its really the foresight and foreknowledge of the Designer being manifested when it happens...

grace and peace ....................

 

[TB2]

TB2... you are getting ridiculous.

I am not doing a job interview.

And, you are not hiring me.

I am making a point. There are no scientific studies that empirically demonstrate ID (It is useful as a philosophical argument though)

 

[GeneZ]

I am making a point. There are no scientific studies that empirically demonstrate ID (It is useful as a philosophical argument though)

To ask today's secular scientific community for a scientific study that would deflate their darling theory?

Would be like asking a tranny if the woke community has done any studies to prove a male who identifies as a female, is a male.

 

[GeneZ]

Please direct me to the scientific studies that demonstrate this

I would suggest you seek to study some nutrition and some biology, to learn how the organs of the body are interlinked and interdependent in a balanced system.. Having each one needing the proper function of the other for the body to thrive.

 

[TB2]

To ask today's secular scientific community for a scientific study that would deflate their darling theory?

Would be like asking a tranny if the woke community has done any studies to prove a male who identifies as a female, is a male.

And I thought the same thing and was prepared to experience hell for my YEC beliefs, and kept waiting for the evil evolutionists to attack and guess what? They were accepting of my beliefs. They disagreed, but they were respectful. No one tried to censor me. There was no system-wide conspiracy. It is figment of the YEC imagination. It was the YECs who lied to me.

 

[GeneZ]

And I thought the same thing and was prepared to experience hell for my YEC beliefs, and kept waiting for the evil evolutionists to attack and guess what? They were accepting of my beliefs. They disagreed, but they were respectful. No one tried to censor me. There was no system-wide conspiracy. It is figment of the YEC imagination. It was the YECs who lied to me.

Its not that..... It just seems you are holding back things we would need to know before answering you.

One question being answered may help better understand your inquiries.

How long have you been a student of the Bible?

I ask that, because somethings you ask are the kind of questions a new believer may ask.
Yet, you also seem to have a background in your own long term study in areas we do not think much about.