Young Earth/Old Earth

[GeneZ]

ID tried to promote Judeo-Christian religion (under the guise of science) in a public school district and got caught. The evidence was overwhelming and indisputable

You keep harping on that. Yet, did those people deserve to be fired and black balled for only bringing up Intelligent Design?

Satan hates the understanding of Intelligent Design because when it taught logically it draws people to realizing there had to be something, or someone who was the Designer. That is the first step in finding God. "God consciousness."

In Romans One it says that evil men suppress this knowledge with lies.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness ​

of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God ​

is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s​

invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood ​

from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Rom 1:18-20​

Intelligent Design is getting people to concentrate of what they can draw their own conclusions with.
No need to mention God or the Bible.

grace and peace ................

 

[TB2]

You keep harping on that. Yet, did those people deserve to be fired and black balled for only bringing up Intelligent Design?

Satan hates the understanding of Intelligent Design because when it taught logically it draws people to realizing there had to be something, or someone who was the Designer. That is the first step in finding God. "God consciousness."

In Romans One it says that evil men suppress this knowledge with lies.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness ​

of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God ​

is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s​

invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood ​

from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Rom 1:18-20​

Intelligent Design is getting people to concentrate of what they can draw their own conclusions with.
No need to mention God or the Bible.

grace and peace ................

I see both sides of the situation. True, there have been legit cases of discrimination, but academia has such a negative, emotional knee jerk reaction against even just the names YECs/ID because of the wrong-headed often antagonistic way YECs/ID have conducted themselves, and that doesn't help their case either. Academia has been conditioned to be very distrustful of YECs/ID because of their less than reputable behavior and tactics.

 

[GeneZ]

I see both sides of the situation. True, there have been legit cases of discrimination, but academia has such a negative, emotional knee jerk reaction against even just the names YECs/ID because of the wrong-headed often antagonistic way YECs/ID have conducted themselves, and that doesn't help their case either. Academia has been conditioned to be very distrustful of YECs/ID because of their less than reputable behavior and tactics.

I became distrustful of YECs back then as well... I felt they were tarnishing the reputation of Christianity... and they were proud about what they propagated to the world.

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.

Proverbs 12:1​

One can not grow up in Christ without being corrected and accepting it numerous times along the way.

 

[CrowCross]

It was a key part of testimony in the 2005 Kitzmiller vs Dover case

As I have said, the Dover trial was poorly conducted.

 

[CrowCross]

And, I would like to know what came first.

The digestive juices in the stomach?

Or, the protective coating that keeps the stomach from being digested by those digestive juices?

The demands having a planning, Intelligent Designer!

I'm sure one could come up with a whole lot more to add to that list.

 

[TB2]

As I have said, the Dover trial was poorly conducted.

Sour grapes

 

[CrowCross]

Sour grapes

No, I've heard some of the arguments and they could have done a better job presenting ID.
I also think the scopes trial.....as seen on TV....could have also been handled better.

 

[GeneZ]

I'm sure one could come up with a whole lot more to add to that list.

No need to confuse the people with a long list.

Keep it very simple.

The simpler it is the worse they look when they squirm for an answer.

Then take in a profit with your popcorn stand.

Maybe, even tell a corny joke, or two.

grace and peace ............

 

[GeneZ]

No, I've heard some of the arguments and they could have done a better job presenting ID.
I also think the scopes trial.....as seen on TV....could have also been handled better.

The Scopes trial was shredded by legalism being at the helm.

Legalism is the Devil's best friend.

Irrational.. dumb.. but stubbornly think they are doing God's will to please Him.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

No, I've heard some of the arguments and they could have done a better job presenting ID.
I also think the scopes trial.....as seen on TV....could have also been handled better.

I believe the Dover and Scopes trials are actually very old now. We have accumulated tons more knowledge of biology and the world since those cases.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

The Scopes trial was shredded by legalism being at the helm.

Legalism is the Devil's best friend.

Irrational.. dumb.. but stubbornly think they are doing God's will to please Him.

Are you from Generation Z?

 

[GeneZ]

Are you from Generation Z?

........... what? I am in my 70's!

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

........... what? I am in my 70's!

Trying to figure out the name you have...

 

[CrowCross]

I believe the Dover and Scopes trials are actually very old now. We have accumulated tons more knowledge of biology and the world since those cases.

I agree. Especially concerning the Scopes trial.

 

[EarlyActs]

re 915:

But Elwha, Morse, Niagara, the southern edge of Minnesota, all took place around the same time... duh. I'm not making it one event global, because you can't. But you can realize that it was not isolated and fragmented and part of a whole.

You are responding of your own free will, right? So just ignore me. If you are really on to something, go tell the national park service to stop selling the guide of WA hiking that confirms, right on the back cover, the essentials of what I'm saying. You could also dare down the state of AK and the city of Juneau.

When you see the next nearest event, Latuya, AK, 1958, and know it had the advantage of rock falling off a mountain, you see another huge problem: that that much material (millions more CM) was moved laterally. In the Taku area in 1800, there was a flood which the native population thought was a world starting over, and it raised water levels a couple hundred feet, but that's just 20 miles away, not 4 states.

Most catastrophists I've read over 3 years say that there were several events and the period was 4-500 years. For ex., The GA film has the mega-sequences. The book of Job mentions snow and ice in the ANE area, and there are few other Biblical cases. The Genesis record is not wrong, but it is 'flattened' in the literary or descriptive sense.

Interesting phrase: end of ice ages. There shouldn't be any flooding because there shouldn't be any abrupt changes. The AK description of ending of the tropical period is also abrupt the other way: the mile deep encasement happened quickly.

 

[EarlyActs]

ID tried to promote Judeo-Christian religion (under the guise of science) in a public school district and got caught. The evidence was overwhelming and indisputable

Soros-appointed judges. I don't get the idea anyway, wrong arena.

 

[EarlyActs]

Correct! No relationship whatsoever because the mega flora in mile deep ice from Greeland you refer to are in what YECs consider to be POST-FLOOD sediments while the fountains of the deep were at the start of the flood

I consider this answer irrational. You have absorbed nothing of the description of the event, that I know of. No resemblance at all.

 

[EarlyActs]

TB, could you post 5 illustrations of Rom 1 about the natural world showing the attributes of God:

And please show 5 illustrations of people suppressing this information Rom 1 against the knowledge of God:

Or is Romans a joke, a farce, a Fellini?

 

[TB2]

I consider this answer irrational. You have absorbed nothing of the description of the event, that I know of. No resemblance at all.

Lol!

BEGINNING OF THE FLOOD: FOUNTAIN OF THE DEEP BURSTING

AFTER THE FLOOD: MEGA FLORA IN MILE DEEP ICE

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO: NONE

RATIONAL RESPONSE

IRRATIONAL RESPONSE: Trying to make something that happened after the Flood hydrologically caused by the start of the Flood!

 

[GeneZ]

TB, could you post 5 illustrations of Rom 1 about the natural world showing the attributes of God:

And please show 5 illustrations of people suppressing this information Rom 1 against the knowledge of God:

Or is Romans a joke, a farce, a Fellini?

It only needs one illustration.....

They suppress the revelation of God's creation by burying it in tons of meaningless data concerning genetics and evolution.

God gave science so we would glory in the wonder of how we were made... Not to disprove God created.