Young Earth/Old Earth

[Inertia]

No. I’d say, how do you know every monkey has a tail? Have you seen every monkey?

Hilarious - I haven't even come close to "seen every monkey".

That said, I first learned the difference in a physical anthropology course.

"Almost all monkeys have tails, while apes do not. Also take note of the primate’s body shape, size, and other physical attributes. Apes are generally larger with wider chests and almost naked faces."

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Quote reference: Pan African Sanctuary Alliance

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[Sereni-tea]

Well it is science too, true science. There has to be science in it or there would be no checks and balances. Your statement denotes that God is debased when it comes to the mechanism of His own creation. You imply that science is beyond God and is its own construct. One only needs to know the hidden messages of scripture to know God explains the inner working
of His own creation before man could examine anything. I'll prove that with the scriptures .There is nothing that man could discover or do to say "hey look I found something new" it existed before man could know anything and was known by those before you. There is nothing new under the sun. Don't put science before God that would be to worship the creature over the Creator. The horse goes before the cart not the other way around.

Just so you know, what you have written here is extremely offensive to me. You do not know me and you do not know much at all about what I believe or why I have believe it. You do not know the years I have spent praying and studying God's Word or why I have come to the conclusions to which I have come.

For your information, I most certainly do not put science above God and to say otherwise is to misrepresent me before the others here on the forum and more importantly before God who is the One who has lead me on my journey through this topic.

My interpretation is based on the literary, cultural and theological context of the text which is more than I can say for your speculation. Until your attitude towards me changes, I guess there is no point discussing anything further with you.

 

[Carbon]

Just so you know, what you have written here is extremely offensive to me. You do not know me and you do not know much at all about what I believe or why I have believe it. You do not know the years I have spent praying and studying God's Word or why I have come to the conclusions to which I have come.

For your information, I most certainly do not put science above God and to say otherwise is to misrepresent me before the others here on the forum and more importantly before God who is the One who has lead me on my journey through this topic.

My interpretation is based on the literary, cultural and theological context of the text which is more than I can say for your speculation. Until your attitude towards me changes, I guess there is no point discussing anything further with you.

Well, I can say one thing that's for sure, for the amount of time I have known you which has been over a decade I believe, your love and desire for truth stand out clearly and are greatly admired, and your love for our Lord also. You have encouraged me many times. We believers do need each other.

Blessings

 

[David1701]

My vote was undecided.

I have many questions about the age of the Earth. One question being,

If the earth is young and created in six literal 24 hour days, and everything seemed to be around a 24-hour period, no indication of anything faster, no hyper speed etc... Then how could Adam name every animal in one 24-hour day, or less assuming he had to sleep?

19 Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. Genesis 2:19-20.

@Sereni-tea Thoughts?

There had been no speciation yet, so there were far fewer animals to name.

 

[CrowCross]

Thanks for that. The Bible does not explicitly say that the day was 24 hours long.

You're welcome....but you forget the bible doesn't say a day is longer than 24 hours. In fact we all know a morning and evening are 24 hour talk....not eon talk.

 

[Carbon]

There had been no speciation yet, so there were far fewer animals to name.

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000+ at least.

 

[David1701]

Thanks for that. The Bible does not explicitly say that the day was 24 hours long. The Ten Commandments state that we should “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates” (Exodus 20:8-10). This commandment is a reminder that God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day1. Clearly, we don't have a thousand-year day now, so it is applied according to what we do experience in this fallen flesh and world.

Genesis 1:
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2Now the earth was formless and void, (meaning nonexistent) and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

Formless and void means "unformed and empty", not non-existent.

 

[CrowCross]

If that were the case people would not be believing in an old earth since the ECF’s. Should I trust your word over let’s say Augustine’s?

It's people who believe in an old earth that came up with the day isn't 24 hours false theology....the idea is to fit evo-ism into the Bible.

 

[David1701]

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000+ at least.

We don't know that; however, if it was around 3,000, then Adam could easily have done that in a day.

How Could Adam Have Named All the Animals in a Single Day?

How could Adam have named millions of different species on Day 6 if it was only 24 hours? This is a common objection to a straightforward view of Genesis 1.

answersingenesis.org

 

[CrowCross]

If the earth is young and created in six literal 24 hour days, and everything seemed to be around a 24-hour period, no indication of anything faster, no hyper speed etc... Then how could Adam name every animal in one 24-hour day, or less assuming he had to sleep?

My question is....how could Adam have NOT named all the animals? Adam didn't have to name every bird species. All he had to do was say...that's a bird....

Adam didn't have to say, that's a lion, that's a tiger, that's a leopard...all he had to do was say....they're cats.

 

[Shulammite]

Formless and void means "unformed and empty", not non-existent.

what was its form before it was unformed? What is the black void of space? I'll put it like this ; the canvas was blank and empty, void of any color or substance. What I do know is , what exists now and at Adam and Eve's time didn't at one point. You probably gag at gnats but swallow camels too

 

[Shulammite]

You're welcome....but you forget the bible doesn't say a day is longer than 24 hours. In fact we all know a morning and evening are 24 hour talk....not eon talk.

Yeah ok. Still think you got my point you know what I'm saying and no matter what it is plausible. You seem to believe in other theories as fact. I still haven't experienced a rebuttal with concrete facts so I'll continue to run with it.

 

[Shulammite]

Just so you know, what you have written here is extremely offensive to me. You do not know me and you do not know much at all about what I believe or why I have believe it. You do not know the years I have spent praying and studying God's Word or why I have come to the conclusions to which I have come.

For your information, I most certainly do not put science above God and to say otherwise is to misrepresent me before the others here on the forum and more importantly before God who is the One who has lead me on my journey through this topic.

My interpretation is based on the literary, cultural and theological context of the text which is more than I can say for your speculation. Until your attitude towards me changes, I guess there is no point discussing anything further with you.

Huh. Ok.

 

[Shulammite]

Well, I can say one thing that's for sure, for the amount of time I have known you which has been over a decade I believe, your love and desire for truth stand out clearly and are greatly admired, and your love for our Lord also. You have encouraged me many times. We believers do need each other.

Blessings

The Bible conveys theological truth; it is not intended to be a scientific textbook.

There is a lot of gushing. I simply happen to disagree with this assertion. It is a fact that it is only opinion. And just as a certain person said to one, "others see it differently", I do.

Seems some people think more of themselves than they ought to. Scripture warns against that. Me pointing out what your statement implies is not wrong. If you are offended by that fact then the problem is absolutely yours not mine. I did zero wrong .

 

[Carbon]

It's people who believe in an old earth that came up with the day isn't 24 hours false theology....the idea is to fit evo-ism into the Bible.

Actually the early church was primarily old earth. Check your history bro

 

[Carbon]

We don't know that; however, if it was around 3,000, then Adam could easily have done that in a day.

How Could Adam Have Named All the Animals in a Single Day?

How could Adam have named millions of different species on Day 6 if it was only 24 hours? This is a common objection to a straightforward view of Genesis 1.

answersingenesis.org

Yes sure. I’m sure God said, let’s hurry Adam. Don’t want to waste the whole day naming animals. We still have lots more to do.

 

[Carbon]

My question is....how could Adam have NOT named all the animals? Adam didn't have to name every bird species. All he had to do was say...that's a bird....

Adam didn't have to say, that's a lion, that's a tiger, that's a leopard...all he had to do was say....they're cats.

Sure. Yep, all those over there are……... animals. That’s what I’ll call them. Animal.

 

[Carbon]

We don't know that; however, if it was around 3,000, then Adam could easily have done that in a day.

How Could Adam Have Named All the Animals in a Single Day?

How could Adam have named millions of different species on Day 6 if it was only 24 hours? This is a common objection to a straightforward view of Genesis 1.

answersingenesis.org

Yes the estimate is he named one every 5 seconds. Imagine that.

 

[CrowCross]

Yeah ok. Still think you got my point you know what I'm saying and no matter what it is plausible. You seem to believe in other theories as fact. I still haven't experienced a rebuttal with concrete facts so I'll continue to run with it.

Well, then go for it. Just know your theory doesn't fit well in the Bible.

 

[CrowCross]

Actually the early church was primarily old earth. Check your history bro

Barnabas...the guy from Acts wrote the following. I consider him as early church.

Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

I believe this may be where the man has six thousand years of history theology came from.

That would mean if the earth was created about 4,000 bc...and it's been about 2,000 years from Christ Jesus...time is just about up.

If the day=age concept is correct, barnabas makes no sense.