Yahweh 301,302 or Trinity 301,302

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Red Baker,

When Christ went into the synagogues and stood up to read, he read the scriptures knowing that they were the exact words given to Moses, yet Moses had been dead for around 1400 hundred years ~ and the scriptures Moses had given had went through many thousands of hand written copies by scribes who were not inspired as Moses yet God protected his word!

I appreciate your response. My own personal opinion is that if there was a minor error in the Hebrew text that he was reading, then he would have been inspired to correct the word or phrase as he read. I find it difficult to discuss with you on a number of aspects and in this subject my impression is that you will simply endorse the KJV and not be willing to look up any reference book, even ones that are readily available online. When I was young our YP's Class was given a list of occasions where Isaiah was quoted in the NT. It was only many years later that I encountered a list given in Barnes' OT Notes (available online at Bible Hub). In that list it groups the various occasions where Isaiah is quoted in the NT under various headings. These are something like NT Reference quoted from the Hebrew Text, another list from the LXX, and others that may have come from a different Hebrew text, and I think there are one or two more categories different to these. For example Isaiah 6:9-10 is quoted a number of times, and at least one of these corresponds to the Hebrew text and what it would say if translated from this text, and another quotation gives the sense from the LXX. One of my brothers in the faith who has a knowledge of Hebrew and Greek has stated that the Apostles carefully avoided some OT texts if they thought if either the Hebrew or the LXX was erroneous. On the other hand I do not believe that the KJV panel were also inspired, but they made some errors.

Trevor, I do not want to address your sect's infatuation with a name that is not in the scriptures~I debated you on this subject on grace centered forum ( under RB ) ~if you have those debates saved on format, then bring them here and post them and let's finish the debate ~ be more than happy to do so, or, start another thread addressing this subject.

No, I do not have a copy, and I am not concerned if you want to use "Jehovah", as long as you allow me to use "Yahweh". Again I suggest that the main reason that you accept "Jehovah" is because you are KJVO. I doubt that you would look up Strong's to read H3068, H3069, so I am not interested in discussing this aspect.

God Almighty which the early Hebrews Patriarchs knew God by, yet, he later revealed himself to Moses as Jehovah, this is not my opinion but the very word of God: Exodus 6:3~"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." You want me to think his name is Yahweh? When God ( his title ) said that His name is Jehovah.... (his name! ).

Again this is a KJVO deduction. I am not willing to discuss KJVO.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Red Baker,

It must be the end of winter there going into your spring, because we are going into our fall in a week or so. I live in the south here in America and truly have very mild winters, almost none at all. I know you are looking forward to spring the most beautiful season of them all.

Yes, it is Spring here, and we have had a warm week. Possibly last Monday will be the last time I have to light our wood fire. I live in the Lake Macquarie/Newcastle area, 160km north of Sydney and we have reasonable Summers and Winters.

Before we leave subject of "Jehovah" and the KJVO concept, could you please answer my earlier question:

Perhaps you could answer: Why does the KJV only use "Jehovah" four times?

For example, why does the KJV translate YHWH as the LORD in verse 2 and JEHOVAH in verse 3?
Exodus 6:2–3 (KJV): 2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD (YHWH): 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

It is interesting to compare other translations:
Exodus 6:2–3 (NASB 95): 2 God spoke further to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.

Exodus 6:2–3 (ESV): 2 God spoke to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them.

Exodus 6:2–3 (NIV84): 2 God also said to Moses, “I am the LORD. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them.

Exodus 6:2–3 (NLT): 2 And God said to Moses, “I am Yahweh—‘the LORD.’ 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them.

Exodus 6:2–3 (LEB): 2 And God spoke to Moses, and he said to him, “I am Yahweh. 3 And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Shaddai, but by my name Yahweh I was not known to them.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Red Baker]

Greetings again Red Baker,

Yes, it is Spring here, and we have had a warm week. Possibly last Monday will be the last time I have to light our wood fire. I live in the Lake Macquarie/Newcastle area, 160km north of Sydney and we have reasonable Summers and Winters.

Yes, I looked it up on Google and it looks beautifully.

Love, wood burning inserts, dry heat is so much warmer to our old bodies, than any heat produced by gas, oil, steam, and electric. Not to mention~wood provides people with a cheap and plentiful source of energy for heating. Wood gets its energy from the sun and nutrients in the soil and is a type of biomass fuel

Before we leave subject of "Jehovah" and the KJVO concept, could you please answer my earlier question: Perhaps you could answer: Why does the KJV only use "Jehovah" four times?

It only served the context to do so. When I read Exodus 6:2,3 I can see why it is done here, the other 225 times the word LORD is used I did not take time to ck it out, besides who cares, God has made it plain what His name his and what He desires Himself to be known by, why seek to change it to Yahweh?

The Divine-titles are a most important subject of study for they are inseparably connected with a sound interpretation of the Scriptures. Elohim and Jehovah are not employed loosely on the pages of Holy Scriptures by the very fact Jehovah is only used four times! Each has a definite significance, and the distinction is carefully preserved. Elohim (God) is the name which speaks of the Creator and Governor of His creatures. Jehovah ( the LORD ) is His title as connected with His people by covenant relationship. It is this which explains the verses now before ( Exodus 6:2,3 ) us. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were acquainted with the Jehovistic title, but they had no experimental acquaintance with all that it stood for. God has entered into a "covenant" with them, but, as Hebrews 11:13 tells us, "These all died in faith, not having received the promises". But now the time had drawn nigh when the Lord was about to fulfill His "covenant engagement" and Israel would witness the faithfulness,the power, and the deliverance which His covenant-name implied. God was about to manifest Himself as the faithful performer of His word, and as such the descendants of the patriarchs would know Him in a way their fathers had no knowledge of. This is why Jehovah is used in this place because of the context and what Jehovah was about to performed for his elect people.

CONTEXT drives our doctrines not our biased opinions or what we have been taught by others.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Red Baker,

Yes, I looked it up on Google and it looks beautifully.

I live in a fairly quiet neighbourhood, on 2 acres, with a shopping centre 1/2km away, the Lake 1 km and a good beach 5 km distance. What is also important to me is that I live about 4km from our hall, and enjoy the fellowship of like minds. I joined 45 years ago when I moved up from Sydney. There are 8 meetings in my region.

Love, wood burning inserts, dry heat is so much warmer to our old bodies, than any heat produced by gas, oil, steam, and electric. Not to mention~wood provides people with a cheap and plentiful source of energy for heating. Wood gets its energy from the sun and nutrients in the soil and is a type of biomass fuel

Yes. We have had enough harvested wood from our property for the last 3 years and I have already stored sufficient for half of the next winter. We have a small free standing slow burning fire located in the sunroom and it also warms one bedroom, the kitchen and my study, while we shut off two other rooms. In winter we light it about 5:30 pm and more recently 7:30pm was sufficient.

It only served the context to do so. When I read Exodus 6:2,3 I can see why it is done here, the other 225 times the word LORD is used I did not take time to ck it out

What you say may be valid from a KJV point of view, as there is a special emphasis in Exodus 6:2-3 on the fact that Abraham was not really familiar with the YHWH Name. Your statistics are a little out though. YHWH #3068 which has the vowel points of Adonai occurs 6510 times and apart from your four KJV references where it is incorrectly translated as "Jehovah", these other occurrences are translated as LORD in the KJV. YHWH #3069 which has the vowel points of Elohim occurs 304 times and is translated as "GOD" except on one occasion it is translated as "LORD".

The Divine-titles are a most important subject of study for they are inseparably connected with a sound interpretation of the Scriptures. Elohim and Jehovah are not employed loosely on the pages of Holy Scriptures by the very fact Jehovah is only used four times!

No, YHWH is used 6510 times plus 304 times. The KJV does not supersede the Hebrew.

Each has a definite significance, and the distinction is carefully preserved. Elohim (God) is the name which speaks of the Creator and Governor of His creatures. Jehovah ( the LORD ) is His title as connected with His people by covenant relationship.

No, Elohim is one of a number of titles that describes God, While YHWH is God's Name.

God was about to manifest Himself as the faithful performer of His word, and as such the descendants of the patriarchs would know Him in a way their fathers had no knowledge of. This is why Jehovah is used in this place because of the context and what Jehovah was about to performed for his elect people.

Yes, except I would use the word "Yahweh" here.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[atpollard]

Distinct is separate.

That is where the Trinity gives me a migraine ... trying to simultaneously grasp Three Persons as One God without falling into "modalism" or "polytheism".

 

[Red Baker]

That is where the Trinity gives me a migraine ... trying to simultaneously grasp Three Persons as One God without falling into "modalism" or "polytheism".

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[Eleanor]

That is where the Trinity gives me a migraine ... trying to simultaneously grasp Three Persons as One God without falling into "modalism" or "polytheism".

I don't expect to grasp it, I simply receive it, based on NT testimony, and I know you do also.

I know this is incorrect, but I view it somewhat like my thought, decision and action, all are me and all operate together as one.
That works enough for me.

 

[atpollard]

I don't expect to grasp it, I simply receive it, based on NT testimony, and I know you do also.

I know this is incorrect, but I view it somewhat like my thought, decision and action, all are me and all operate together as one.
That works enough for me.

I like the Triple Point of water ... (which is just a fancy "modalism")

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Eleanor,

I was a bit reticent to consider John 1:1,14 with you mainly because I consider that you do not really discuss a particular verse, but rather make a statement, then repeat it, and then throw a large list and demand that I answer the whole list. The following is approximately how far we have already mentioned John 1:1,14 and the following quotes are from the thread "Penal Substitution" and as such they were off topic for that thread, and I was to some extent in error to introduce the subject into that thread.

Penal Substitution Post #61:

I believe Jesus is the Son of God, not God the Son.

Penal Substitution Post #67:

According to the NT, the Word (Jesus, Jn 1:14) is God (Jn 1:1).

Penal Substitution Post #68:

I do not accept your view of John 1:1 as I believe that John 1:1 is speaking about The Word, not Jesus or God the Son. John 1:14 is speaking about Jesus. I believe that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ is a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of God, in God the Father's Throne, and Jesus is the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection. Please also refer to my thread "The Yahweh Name".

Penal Substitution Post #69:

Failure to see that Jn 1:14 is speaking of the Word in Jn 1:1 demonstrates a problem with understanding text.
There is no basis for common understanding under these conditions.

Penal Substitution Post #71:

I stated that I did not consider that "the Word" in John 1:1 is Jesus or God the Son.

Penal Substitution Post #73:

Failure to see that Jn 1:14 is speaking of the Word in Jn 1:1 demonstrates a problem with understanding text.
There is no basis for common understanding under these conditions.

Penal Substitution Post #74:

Yes, the same banner twice and no discussion. I will not elaborate a thorough response but briefly mention "Wisdom" in Proverbs 8 and the partial personification of the "Word" in Psalm 33:6,9 and Isaiah 55:8-11. Please also refer to my thread "The Yahweh Name".

Penal Substitution Post #81:

Jn 1:1, 14 are not "personification," they are person.

Penal Substitution Post #87

John 1:14 is speaking about Jesus, and John 1:1 is speaking about The Word. I was browsing "New Posts" this morning and encountered Eleanor's large post (#302) in the thread "God-man". I have reviewed this now and also found that Red Baker also had an extensive post (#301) immediately above the one by Eleanor. As that is in the Oneness sub forum I do not want to be involved in that forum and possibly I would not be allowed. Also a thorough discussion of John 1:1,14 is really off topic in this present forum. Possibly down the track I may address both of you in one of the Trinity threads.

Penal Substitution Post #92:

And Jn 1:1 and 1:14 are about the same person, Jesus.
Be prepared to Biblically demonstrate the error in post #302 when you do.

Now this Post above was asking me to answer all the comments and verses mentioned in Post #302 and btw Post #302 was in a thread called "God-man" located in the Oneness forum. I decided not to answer the whole Post at once, but selected one reference by @Red Baker 1 John 5:7 from Post #301, and one by Eleanor John 10:30-33 from Post #302 and I offered two references 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Psalm 110:1.

Since then there has been some discussion on the above four references, but @Eleanor has persisted in posting her list or part of her list in the following posts in this present thread, Posts #5, #6, #9, #16, #23, and finally(?) in Post #50.

Now I am in no hurry to answer all of your references in Post #302 and the many copies of this in this thread. As I stated, I would prefer to consider one reference or two at a time, and when we have completed our treatment, whether we agree or not, then we can consider another.

I think that this is sufficient to reset where we are up to on John 1:1,14 and I hope to proceed with John 1:1,14 when I have sufficient time.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Eleanor,

I would like to start with an expansion of what I originally stated in Penal Substitution Post #374 above:
"I will not elaborate a thorough response but briefly mention "Wisdom" in Proverbs 8 and the partial personification of the "Word" in Psalm 33:6,9 and Isaiah 55:8-11. Please also refer to my thread "The Yahweh Name"."

In Proverbs 8 we have Wisdom personified as a Wise Woman who not only preaches in the city, but was with the One God, Yahweh, God the Father during the Creation:
Proverbs 8:1–11 (KJV): 1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. 4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. 5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them. 9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. 10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. 11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

Proverbs 8:22–31 (KJV): 22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
This is the language of personification, where a quality of God, Wisdom, is depicted as with God in creation, and God's Wisdom is preached in the city. This language prepares us for the similar personification of a similar concept, The Word, which includes God's spoken Word and also God's whole Plan, Purpose and Wisdom behind the spoken and written Word.

Psalm 33:6–9 (KJV): 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
This gives a partial personification, and it speaks as if "the word of the Lord" is a separate entity, performing the work.

Isaiah 55:8–11 (KJV): 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Here again the "spoken" word is partially personified, and not only does a particular task, but when complete it gives the impression that the "spoken word" returns to God, as if to report on the work accomplished.

Also I mentioned my thread "The Yahweh Name", and briefly, the same sequence that is revealed in the Yahweh Name is evident in the sequence of John 1:1. The One God, Yahweh, He who will be, God the Father would become Jesus, the Son of God, and the real emphasis here in John's Gospel is the moral character of Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, and he exhibited God's glory, Jesus was "full of grace and truth". There is no transfer of a physical God the Son into the body of Jesus.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Eleanor]

Greetings again Eleanor,

I was a bit reticent to consider John 1:1,14 with you mainly because I consider that you do not really discuss a particular verse, but rather make a statement, then repeat it, and then throw a large list and demand that I answer the whole list. The following is approximately how far we have already mentioned John 1:1,14 and the following quotes are from the thread "Penal Substitution" and as such they were off topic for that thread, and I was to some extent in error to introduce the subject into that thread. . . . .
Now I am in no hurry to answer all of your references in Post #302 and the many copies of this in this thread. As I stated, I would prefer to consider one reference or two at a time, and when we have completed our treatment, whether we agree or not, then we can consider another.
I think that this is sufficient to reset where we are up to on John 1:1,14 and I hope to proceed with John 1:1,14 when I have sufficient time.

Jesus said that whoever rejects the words of his apostles is rejecting Jesus' words (Lk 10:16).

Until you address, in the light of those Scriptures presented, the clear NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church in post #50,
that NT apostolic teaching therein that Jesus is YHWH remains unaddressed.

Why do you reject Jesus' words of his apostles in post #50?

 

[CherubRam]

There is no Godhead, that term was invented.
The term "Godhead" is an English variant of the word "godhood" and was first introduced by John Wycliffe (1330-1384 C.E.) in English Bible versions as godhede.

Christ said he was a (elohiym / god of the Living One.)
Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

John 10:33-34
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be{elohiym} [a god] God."
34 Yahshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are (gods of “The Living One.” / elohiym'?) 35If he called them ('gods of “The Living One / elohiym,') to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

Yahshua was asked if he was the Messiah whom would be a elohiym, he was not asked if he was God. It has always been understood that the Messiah would be a god [elohiym] from Heaven.

John 10:24. The Jews who were there gathered around him, asking, “How long will you keep us in suspense, if you’re the Messiah, tell us plainly?”


The scripture that make Christ equal to God have been tampered with by the Catholics.
Changing the scriptures proves a trinity and gives power to the Pope who is Christ incarnate.

 

[CherubRam]

The word "Godhead" is a interpretation of three different Greek words, theion (meaning "divinity, deity", # 2304 in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) at Acts 17:29, theiotēs (meaning "divinity, divine nature", # 2305 in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) at Romans 1:20, and theotēs (meaning "deity", # 2320 in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) at Colossians 2:9.

Actually, the word Theion means (Divine Eternal.)

 

[Eleanor]

There is no Godhead, that term was invented.
The term "Godhead" is an English variant of the word "godhood" and was first introduced by John Wycliffe (1330-1384 C.E.) in English Bible versions as godhede.
Christ said he was a (elohiym / god of the Living One.)
Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”
John 10:33-34
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be{elohiym} [a god] God."
34 Yahshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are (gods of “The Living One.” / elohiym'?) 35If he called them ('gods of “The Living One / elohiym,') to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
Yahshua was asked if he was the Messiah whom would be a elohiym, he was not asked if he was God. It has always been understood that the Messiah would be a god [elohiym] from Heaven.
John 10:24. The Jews who were there gathered around him, asking, “How long will you keep us in suspense, if you’re the Messiah, tell us plainly?”

The scripture that make Christ equal to God have been tampered with by the Catholics.
Changing the scriptures proves a trinity and gives power to the Pope who is Christ incarnate.

How convenient.

Scripture which disagrees with my personal doctrine only does so because it has been tampered with.

Sort of a self-serving hermeneutic, don't you think?

 

[CherubRam]

How convenient.

Scripture which disagrees with my personal doctrine only does so because it has been tampered with.

Sort of a self-serving hermeneutic, don't you think?

Don't be so lazy, take the time to investigate.

 

[Fred]

and theotēs (meaning "deity", # 2320 in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) at Colossians 2:9.

Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

1. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: the nature or state of being God (12.13, theotēs, page 140, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: the state of being God (theotēs, page 288).

 

[Eleanor]

Don't be so lazy, take the time to investigate.

Don't be so credulous.

I have the powerful. . .absolutely convincing testimony of the Holy Spirit to my spirit that the Bible is the word of God and authoritative to the church.

 

[CherubRam]

Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

1. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: the nature or state of being God (12.13, theotēs, page 140, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: the state of being God (theotēs, page 288).

Christ is (a god / elohiym.) Deity ,divine.

A elohiym is (god-s of "The Living One".)

 

[CherubRam]

Don't be so credulous.

I have the powerful. . .absolutely convincing testimony of the Holy Spirit to my spirit that the Bible is the word of God and authoritative to the church.

I do not want to insult you, but you really need to consider things more in-depth. Do not read only the things you want to hear.
Scriptures are saying more than you are willing to acknowledge.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Jude 1:4
4. Because you are unaware that certain men have sneaked in, who are of an ancient order to their condemnation,


Christian Trinitarianism did not become a teaching until the 4th century AD.

 

[Eleanor]

I do not want to insult you, but you really need to consider things more in-depth. Do not read only the things you want to hear.
Scriptures are saying more than you are willing to acknowledge.

Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Jude 1:4
4. Because you are unaware that certain men have sneaked in, who are of an ancient order to their condemnation,
Christian Trinitarianism did not become a teaching until the 4th century AD.

The Trinity has been in the NT since its beginning:

1) We have three distinct persons (divine agents), Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
presented in the work of salvation:

a)--at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
-----at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
-----in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14),

b) the Holy Spirit completing the work (salvation) of the Father through the Son
(Acts 2:38-39; Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 1:3-14, Ephesians 2:13-22; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2),

c) the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father (salvation) is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15).

2) And Jesus shows the personhoods of three distinct divine agents:

The Son is sent by the Father, in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43).
The Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26).
The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, 16:7, 14:26).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another who is distinct from oneself.

The Trinity--one God in three distinct divine persons--is presented in NT teaching from the beginning.