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Yahweh 301,302 or Trinity 301,302

Fred said:
I disagree. There are 4 places in which it refers to Jesus.

The fact that it does so even once demonstrates He is God.
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Yahshua said that Yahwah is The Only True God, for which agrees with the Old Testament.

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God,
 
Runningman said:
Yeah it's funny the things they make up to deny God's Sovereign Lordship in order to prop up a man in His place.

1 Corinthians 15
27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.
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There is no Old Testament scriptures that says "everything under his feet." However, there is scriptures that say "enemies under his feet."
 
CherubRam said:
There is a great deal of people called Lord. It is no problem that Yahshua should be called lord.
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The Greek word is despotēs.

There is only (which is from the same Greek word used in John 17:3) one who is the despotēs which every Christian has (Jude 4).

---> Who is the only Master (despotēs) of every Christian?
 
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Runningman said:
Yeah it's funny the things they make up to deny God's Sovereign Lordship in order to prop up a man in His place.
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You might want to pay attention to what you are saying before you put it out there for all to see. Unitarians are the ones who put a man in the place of God's sovereign Lordship.
 
CherubRam said:
There is a great deal of people called Lord. It is no problem that Yahshua should be called lord.
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There are no people called Lord, only lord. And Jesus is called Lord.
 
CherubRam said:
There is no Old Testament scriptures that says "everything under his feet." However, there is scriptures that say "enemies under his feet."
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Yes it’s interesting how much has been changed. Don’t forget they have edited out God’s name in numerous replaces and just used the word “Lord.” It’s only muddied the waters and causes confusion.

Many trins will swear they think the Lord is Jesus in some places when actually it’s YHWH. Romans 10:12-13 is YHWH. For example. Just goes to show how wrong people can be even when they feel they are not.
 
Arial said:
You might want to pay attention to what you are saying before you put it out there for all to see. Unitarians are the ones who put a man in the place of God's sovereign Lordship.
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Thats actually funny you would say that’s what Unitarians do. Did you know that the only God Unitarians believe in is who Jesus called Father? God is the Sovereign Lord and creator. Jesus is His servant and was made Lord of the church. We answer to Jesus and Jesus answers to God. Ultimately we all answer to God. Don’t you agree with that?
 
Runningman said:
Thats actually funny you would say that’s what Unitarians do. Did you know that the only God Unitarians believe in is who Jesus called Father? God is the Sovereign Lord and creator. Jesus is His servant and was made Lord of the church. We answer to Jesus and Jesus answers to God. Ultimately we all answer to God. Don’t you agree with that?
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Actually Jesus is King of kings,and Lord of lords. (Rev 19:16) He shares names and titles with God. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the Judge and also tells us that Jesus is.

Nowhere does it say that He is only Lord of the church?
 
Fred said:
The Greek word is despotēs.

There is only (which is from the same Greek word used in John 17:3) one who is the despotēs which every Christian has (Jude 4).

---> Who is the only Master (despotēs) of every Christian?
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Jude 1:4
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Questionable. It does not agree with the Old Testament.

Jude 1:4. Because you are unaware that certain men have sneaked in, who are of a ancient order to their condemnation...
Jude 1:4.
πάλαι pálai, pal'-ahee; palai denotes "long ago, of old," Heb 1:1, RV, "of old time" (AV, "in time past"); in Jude 1:4,
Long time, Old time, Ancient order.
 
Arial said:
There are no people called Lord, only lord. And Jesus is called Lord.
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Why is God called lord?
That's the actual Hebrew word adon, which just means “lord” or “master.” This word can refer to people like kings or the master of a servant, even a shepherd over his sheep. And sometimes biblical authors will use this word to refer to God, like in the phrases “the Lord of all the earth” or the “Lord of Lords.”.
 
Arial said:
Actually Jesus is King of kings,and Lord of lords. (Rev 19:16) He shares names and titles with God. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the Judge and also tells us that Jesus is.
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Revelation 19:16 isn't about Jesus.

There is a lot of titles Jesus and God don't share.

Jesus isn't the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: ✅
Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.



Jesus isn't the Lord of heaven and earth: ✅
Matt 11
25At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


Jesus isn't the Holy Spirit:✅
Matt 12
32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.


Jesus isn't the Lord God Almighty:✅
Revelation 21
22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.


Jesus isn't YHWH:✅
Psalm 110
1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.


Jesus isn't the Sovereign Lord and Creator: ✅
Acts 4
24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27...Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.


Jesus, the Lamb, is not Lord God Almighty: ✅
Revelation 21
22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. Jesus

Arial said:
Nowhere does it say that He is only Lord of the church?
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Ephesians 1
22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church,

Colossians 1
18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence.
 
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CherubRam said:
Jude 1:4
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Questionable. It does not agree with the Old Testament.
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Clear, in that it refutes your heresy.
 
CherubRam said:
Jude 1:4
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Questionable. It does not agree with the Old Testament.
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Most translations refer to Jesus in that passage as the only Master and Lord, but it creates the problem that if Jesus is the only master then God isn't our Master. Yes, it does contradict the rest of the Bible.

That's why when dealing with absolutes like "only" some measure and balance is required, but some will take those sorts of words to the moon; it applies to a specific context. Jesus is the master of the church, but that doesn't mean it's okay to disregard God as master. I am sure that was not the intention of the writer. There is also strong evidence to suggest much of Jude has been tampered with over the centuries.
 
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