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Yahweh 301,302 or Trinity 301,302

it applies to a specific context. Jesus is the master of the church,


So according to you that would rule out the Father.
How ridiculous.

but that doesn't mean it's okay to disregard God as master.

Oh, ok. So now the Father is included.


Interesting to see that you want it both ways
Very telling.


I am sure that was not the intention of the writer.

You can't figure out who "only" applies to!

There is also strong evidence to suggest much of Jude has been tampered with over the centuries.

What a total disaster. I'd like to see any evidence that the Greek word for "alone" does not appear in Jude 4.
 
Yahshua said that Yahwah is The Only True God, for which agrees with the Old Testament.

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God,
Yes that's true. The Bible is in complete harmony regarding this. That means Jesus isn't God.
 
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Yes that's true. The Bible is in complete harmony regarding this. That means Jesus isn't God.
The people who will have, or do have life immortal are called (gods / gods of "The Living One.")

Yahshua was and is a elohiym from heaven.

Elohiym = God of the living ones.
elohiym = gods of "The Living One."

Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; (elohiym) you are all sons of the Most High.’

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’(elohiym)?

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

The word (I am) is not in the Hebrew language.
 
The people who will have, or do have life immortal are called (gods / gods of "The Living One.")

Yahshua was and is a elohiym from heaven.

Elohiym = God of the living ones.
elohiym = gods of "The Living One."

Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; (elohiym) you are all sons of the Most High.’

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’(elohiym)?

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

The word (I am) is not in the Hebrew language.
yes indeed and He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Jesus isn't.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.
 
Which doesn't support your ridiculous claim.

Try again.
The Trinity doctrine is that there are three separate living beings who make one God. In other words, Yahshua is not Yahwah.
Yahshua says that Yahwah is "The Only True God."

Christ is a created being according to the bible

Proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
Christ was formed in the beginning of creation by Yahwah.

Christ Pre-existed.

John 6:41
At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”

John 6:42
They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’ ?”

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.

John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Yahshua answered, “before Abraham was born, I existed!”

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

John 17:5
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

John 17:24
“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.







Proverbs 8

1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
4 “To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.
(See Isaiah 11:2.)

13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,

at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.

36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”
 

From the article:

"The doctrine of the Trinity means that there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

The underlined above is mine.


In post 679, you referred to them as "three separate living beings."

This is why in post 671 I wrote, "Wrong."


Next time, do more research.
 
The Trinity doctrine is that there are three separate living beings who make one God.
That's correct. Here is the first part of their creed they call the Athanasian Creed.

"Now this is the catholic faith:​
That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,​
neither blending their persons​
nor dividing their essence.​
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,​
the person of the Son is another,​
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.​
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,​
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal."​

If it's read closely, it actually infers that neither the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are God, but that the essence that fills them is the god. Remove the essence, remove the god. It's not biblical.
 
That's correct. Here is the first part of their creed they call the Athanasian Creed.

"Now this is the catholic faith:​
That we worship one God in trinity​

If it's read closely, it actually infers that neither the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are God,


False, because it teaches each Person is worshiped.
Since only God is the proper recipient of worship proves the Triune God is the true God of the Bible.
 
False, because it teaches each Person is worshiped.
Since only God is the proper recipient of worship proves the Triune God is the true God of the Bible.
Trinitarianism has never been a belief in Orthodox Judaism. Trinitarianism was introduced to Christianity in the fourth century AD.
 
Trinitarianism has never been a belief in Orthodox Judaism. Trinitarianism was introduced to Christianity in the fourth century AD.
Yes, the archbishop of Rome at the time was a fella named Athanasius. Despite the council of Nicaea unanimously deciding on a Arian ecclesiastical position for the church, due to Athanasius' position as archbishop, he just kept on overturning their decisions. There is a lot of history about him. He was a terror according to the historical records of all of the chaos what went on at the council, but most of what is available will more of less white wash it. I recommend anyone take a deep dive into how Trinitarianism was actually created.
 
Trinity fact.

When a council of bishops convened by the Emperor Constantine in (280–337 AD) he decreed that the Father and Son were homoousios (same substance or essence.)

Christian trinity theology of that creed is rooted in the terminology of Augustine's, "On the Trinity." (published about 415 AD) It was about this time when it was determined that the Holy Spirit is a third person.
 
Trinity fact.

When a council of bishops convened by the Emperor Constantine in (280–337 AD) he decreed that the Father and Son were homoousios (same substance or essence.)

That Jesus is equally God with the Father was already believed before this time of challenge by the Arian heretics.
 
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