Why Should Christians Be Concerned about the Correct Location of the Third TEMPLE.

[VCO]

Check out how Jesus refers to the Temple where Solomon built - Gk. hieron, while Pual uses the Gk. `naos,` meaning a temple built elsewhere than where Solomon built.

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[VCO]

I found no such verse, but I did find this:

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 ESV​

Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

That mis-understanding is something that the Mormon church ONLY, teaches.

So, we do not believe anything coming from the Mormon Church, Sorry.

 

[Marilyn C]

Learn to quote Chapter and Verse, or keep quiet until you have that info.

Sorry I didn`t quote as I was thinking Greek meanings. So,

`Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple,...` (Matt. 24: 1) Temple. Gk. `hieron` a sacred place.

`the man of sin....who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. ` (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

Temple. Gk.` naos` a fane, shrine.

 

[VCO]

Sorry I didn`t quote as I was thinking Greek meanings. So,

`Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple,...` (Matt. 24: 1) Temple. Gk. `hieron` a sacred place.

`the man of sin....who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. ` (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

Temple. Gk.` naos` a fane, shrine.

I believe the Bible commands me to have nothing to do with those who teach a Different Doctrine.

1 Timothy 6:4 (ESV)
4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,
1 Timothy 6:11 (ESV)
11 But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.

I believe that Jesus Christ is GOD HIMSELF, he temporarily laid down HIS DIETY and took it up again when HE SAT DOWN ON HIS THRONE.
That is the Doctrine I believe with my whole heart.

You do not believe the Same Doctrine, so goodbye.

 

[EarlyActs]

None of this matters any more. 'A time is coming when

I have been on another site, been discussing the THIRD TEMPLE, and the actual Location of the Roman FORTRESS ANTONIA, for the Past 5 years. Don't worry, I will not post it all HERE. I will short cut to the Conclusion part of the discussion. So why should Christians be Concerned about the Correct Location of the THIRD TEMPLE?

If the Jews get it in the WRONG PLACE, GOD may not Honor the Prophecy, until they decide to MOVE IT TO THE CORRECT LOCATION. I KEEP READY Expecting the BRIDEGROOM at any time. If I KEEP READY, I will be Ready at the Pre-Tribulation. If I KEEP READY, I will be Ready at anytime there after. And I absolutely believe the Third Temple, after the Church-age is finished. It actually is the 70th Week of Daniel. So YES, I want to GO HOME.

I have found PROOF that the entire Fortress on the so-called TEMPLE Mount, is actually Fortress Antonia, Home of the Roman X Legion, which Caesar says every LEGION has to have 300 Horse, Cavalry. You can look that up. So How did I prove it. I thought No Body With a camera, had been in the Southeast corner of the so-called Temple Mount. However, a WWII British Commando, in 1944, after they chased the Nazi's clean out of ISRAEL was stationed in Jerusalem. He and others went in down in that STABLE with a Muslim escort and took Pictures. His daughter found the Pictures in a box in one of his drawers. She wanted the world to see them, and gave them to a Veterans organization, so those Pictures are what they call Public Domain. One Picture my eye; their was an X up top, carved in with a knife Point, and below that there was K Stamped into BLOCK with a giant Stencil with a sledge hammer. I was Pretty sure the X stood for the Roman X EQUESTRIS (their word for Cavalry). But What does the K stand for ? ? ? I FOUND IT, and I almost FELL OVER shout for Joy. There was a multi-nation Equestris Organization that wanted to mark Horse Stalls so that everyone KNEW WHAT THE K STOOD FOR, no mater what language they SPOKE. It stands this Horse Stall is reserved for the EMPEROR/KING. There was the Proof that I had been searching for 5 years. King Herod built this Fortress for the ROMAN X LEGION. On Top of it ALL I found two hidden gates about a year ago, on the South side, have ways between the TRIPLE GATES and the Southeast CORNER. They has cut down a TREE that hid them.

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Below X on Ground floor,

Now for the other part, if the TEMPLE WAS not up top, where was it.

Flavius Josephus says the north wall of the TEMPLE was 600 feet south of the wall were the Stable Gates are.
Now Josephus had a VERY important Position at the age of 14, he was one of the Counselor to the High Priest.
It does not say, but at some point he became a Christian, from ultra orthodox Jew, to probably being fired from
his job as a Counselor to the High Priest. He then took a Job with the ROMANS as their HISTORIAN. And every
one of the Jews turned against him, and his writings.

QUOTE:

having its bending above the fountain Siloam (Pool of Siloam); where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool, and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what they now call the OPHEL], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple. The second wall took its beginning from that gate which they called Gennath, which belonged to the first wall. It only encompassed the northern quarter of the city, and reached as far as the tower Antonia. -
Josephus - The Jewish War - Book V - chapter 4
END QUOTE:

Tower of Antonia, was a 5th Tower, under the bend of the ROAD, as it turns west, along the southeastern part of the so-called Temple Mount, perfect for spying on the ZELLOTS in the Temple.

That enough for Now.

None of this matters. 'A time is coming when you will worship neither at this place or another, but in Spirit and truth.'

M. Sanford , THE COVENANT REVOLT, at Amazon.

 

[EarlyActs]

Sorry I didn`t quote as I was thinking Greek meanings. So,

`Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple,...` (Matt. 24: 1) Temple. Gk. `hieron` a sacred place.

`the man of sin....who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. ` (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

Temple. Gk.` naos` a fane, shrine.

Paul was referring to the 1st century event as the context shows. It was from language in Dan 8-9. All the apostles expected the end of the world to follow shortly after the DofJ.

 

[VCO]

None of this matters any more. 'A time is coming when


None of this matters. 'A time is coming when you will worship neither at this place or another, but in Spirit and truth.'

M. Sanford , THE COVENANT REVOLT, at Amazon.

Then you do not know what GOD SAYS ABOUT HIS PLANS:

Isaiah 46:11-13 (HCSB)
11 I call a bird of prey from the east, a man for My purpose from a far country.
Yes, I have spoken; so I will also bring it about. I have planned it; I will also do it.
12 Listen to me, you hardhearted, far removed from justice:
13 I am bringing My justice near; it is not far away, and My salvation will not delay.
I will put salvation in Zion, My splendor in Israel.

Numbers 33:56 (HCSB)
56 And what I had planned to do to them, I will do to you.”

1 Chronicles 29:19 (HCSB)
19 Give my son Solomon a whole heart to keep and to carry out all Your commands, Your decrees, and Your statutes, and to build the temple for which I have made provision.

Third Temple HE has Planned:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 (HCSB)
1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers,
2 not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?

Here is the FOURTH EARTHLY TEMPLE, and you can read it for yourself:
It is in EZEKIEL Chapter 40 through 48.

There is Temple in HEAVEN, which we have not even arrived at YET, Our arrival will Probably be Rev. 4:4, when John sees The Elders sitting on their Throne. That means there Work of the Great Commission is finished, they get a GLORIFIED BODY, so that JOHN can see them in the Vision he had. Oh my, you never even thought of that:

Revelation 7:13-17 (HCSB)
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “Who are these people robed in white, and where did they come from?”
14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve Him day and night in His sanctuary. The One seated on the throne will shelter them:
16 They will no longer hunger; they will no longer thirst; the sun will no longer strike them, nor will any heat.
17 For the Lamb who is at the center of the throne will shepherd them; He will guide them to springs of living waters, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.

Then IN the Eternal State, your misunderstanding HAPPENS:

Revelation 21:22-23 (ISV)
22 I saw no Temple in it, because the Lord God Almighty and the lamb are its temple.
23 The city doesn't need any sun or moon to give it light, because the glory of God gave it light. The lamb was its lamp.

You may want to fall on your face and beg for forgiveness for spreading rumors, instead of the Truth.
Just a suggestion.

 

[Marilyn C]

Paul was referring to the 1st century event as the context shows. It was from language in Dan 8-9. All the apostles expected the end of the world to follow shortly after the DofJ.

Mmmm and I thought the Holy Spirit wrote God`s word and no dependent on the writer`s expectation.

 

[VCO]

Mmmm and I thought the Holy Spirit wrote God`s word and no dependent on the writer`s expectation.

Believe what you want.

We believe in the Three Personages, with three separate functions, but all three are the Same Deity.

That is another Doctrinal Difference between you, and most of us here.

 

[EarlyActs]

Mmmm and I thought the Holy Spirit wrote God`s word and no dependent on the writer`s expectation.

Continue on; where do we disagree?

 

[EarlyActs]

Then you do not know what GOD SAYS ABOUT HIS PLANS:

Isaiah 46:11-13 (HCSB)
11 I call a bird of prey from the east, a man for My purpose from a far country.
Yes, I have spoken; so I will also bring it about. I have planned it; I will also do it.
12 Listen to me, you hardhearted, far removed from justice:
13 I am bringing My justice near; it is not far away, and My salvation will not delay.
I will put salvation in Zion, My splendor in Israel.

Numbers 33:56 (HCSB)
56 And what I had planned to do to them, I will do to you.”

1 Chronicles 29:19 (HCSB)
19 Give my son Solomon a whole heart to keep and to carry out all Your commands, Your decrees, and Your statutes, and to build the temple for which I have made provision.

Third Temple HE has Planned:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 (HCSB)
1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers,
2 not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?

Here is the FOURTH EARTHLY TEMPLE, and you can read it for yourself:
It is in EZEKIEL Chapter 40 through 48.

There is Temple in HEAVEN, which we have not even arrived at YET, Our arrival will Probably be Rev. 4:4, when John sees The Elders sitting on their Throne. That means there Work of the Great Commission is finished, they get a GLORIFIED BODY, so that JOHN can see them in the Vision he had. Oh my, you never even thought of that:

Revelation 7:13-17 (HCSB)
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “Who are these people robed in white, and where did they come from?”
14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve Him day and night in His sanctuary. The One seated on the throne will shelter them:
16 They will no longer hunger; they will no longer thirst; the sun will no longer strike them, nor will any heat.
17 For the Lamb who is at the center of the throne will shepherd them; He will guide them to springs of living waters, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.

Then IN the Eternal State, your misunderstanding HAPPENS:

Revelation 21:22-23 (ISV)
22 I saw no Temple in it, because the Lord God Almighty and the lamb are its temple.
23 The city doesn't need any sun or moon to give it light, because the glory of God gave it light. The lamb was its lamp.

You may want to fall on your face and beg for forgiveness for spreading rumors, instead of the Truth.
Just a suggestion.

However, the 1st page of the Rev says the things it is talking about would happen shortly.

The apostles had two very strong emphases: 1, that that generation was the end of the world
2, that the Christian community across the world was the 'temple.' As Isaiah said beautifully: it's walls will be Praise and its gates will be Salvation. Think about how that would happen.

The scene described in the Thess passages was very much about what was happening over in Jerusalem soon. It was expected from Dan 8-9 and Christ underscored that by clarifying who the abomination of 8-9 was, and that person did ruin Israel at that time like Dan 9 says.

All these things are a matter of history first, and then theology. Most NT history has been ignored for about 150 years when the 'future' took over and redefined everything.

M. Sanford THE COVENANT REVOLT, 2023, Amazon.com books.

 

[VCO]

However, the 1st page of the Rev says the things it is talking about would happen shortly.

Wow, you are either a brand new Christian, or some one who has had very Poor Bible Teaching.

2 Peter 3:8 (HCSB)
8 Dear friends, don’t let this one thing escape you: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

We are still almost done with DAY 2, HE is not talking about Earth Time.

 

[VCO]

Continue on; where do we disagree?

She is Highly Likely a Mormon, but will not admit it, NOR deny it. Mormons, in my opinion, use Christian Terminology, but MEAN something else all together.

 

[EarlyActs]

Wow, you are either a brand new Christian, or some one who has had very Poor Bible Teaching.

2 Peter 3:8 (HCSB)
8 Dear friends, don’t let this one thing escape you: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

We are still almost done with DAY 2, HE is not talking about Earth Time.

Literarily, all that expression means is that the amount of time would not matter either direction. It is earth time for those who suspect a delay!

I have a master's in NT background and Greek.

 

[VCO]

Literarily, all that expression means is that the amount of time would not matter either direction. It is earth time for those who suspect a delay!

I have a master's in NT background and Greek.

And I think it is LITERAL. GOD is ETERNAL, so what does time to an Eternal Being MEAN.

 

[EarlyActs]

And I think it is LITERAL. GOD is ETERNAL, so what does time to an Eternal Being MEAN.

Even if literal, it does not date anything, it actually answers your question--that it doesn't matter how long God delays, which is the question of v1.

 

[VCO]

Even if literal, it does not date anything, it actually answers your question--that it doesn't matter how long God delays, which is the question of v1.

Not going to Argue this point. But most of us old time Evangelicals believe WHEN the Verse can be Translated Literally or Hypothetically; then the Proper Interpretation is it must be TRANSLATED LITERALLY.

You can believe what you Want.

As for me, I must interpret that verse LITERALLY.
That is the difference between those of us Who will be going home soon,
and the younger generations that may be part of the Great Falling Away.
Yes, I am 74 years of age, have already had 9 Strokes, 3 major, and 6 mini strokes, and already have a Pace Maker in my chest.

I have some unfinished business that the LORD wants me to do, But then it will be time to go HOME.

 

[VCO]

How do we know that you are not the one deceived ? ? ?

HE speaks to my heart, when I have the Correct Interpretation, Plus It agrees with teaching, Dr. John MacArthur, Dr. Ed Young, Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Richard Lee, Dr. Adrian Rogers, Dr. Gil Rugh, Dr. Chuck Swindoll, Dr. Walter Martin, Dr. Ben Haden, Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost, as well as every BIBLE TEACHING PASTOR that I have ever had. ALL OF THEM Agrees with each other. That is one way of Knowing those Pastors are TEACHING the TRUTH. Those are most of the Men that have a part in Discipling me.

 

[EarlyActs]

HE speaks to my heart, when I have the Correct Interpretation, Plus It agrees with teaching, Dr. John MacArthur, Dr. Ed Young, Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Richard Lee, Dr. Adrian Rogers, Dr. Gil Rugh, Dr. Chuck Swindoll, Dr. Walter Martin, Dr. Ben Haden, Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost, as well as every BIBLE TEACHING PASTOR that I have ever had. ALL OF THEM Agrees with each other. That is one way of Knowing those Pastors are TEACHING the TRUTH. Those are most of the Men that have a part in Discipling me.

Many of them believe in '2 peoples--2 programs.' This is a complicated thing that 'tries to make sense of the Bible.' It never survives a reading of Galatians 3, which they don't quote very much that I have seen, because of so many differences.

 

[VCO]

Many of them believe in '2 peoples--2 programs.' This is a complicated thing that 'tries to make sense of the Bible.' It never survives a reading of Galatians 3, which they don't quote very much that I have seen, because of so many differences.

I do not know of Anything like that, WHAT IS IT?

They all are Trinity believing, ONE GOD believing, Evangelical Pastors, that teach the Same Doctrines.

I used to have over 500 cassette tapes by those Pastors, that I listened to 4 times each, and never heard one word about

'2 peoples--2 programs.'

I think you are mistaken.