Why Should Christians Be Concerned about the Correct Location of the Third TEMPLE.

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

He may be speaking of it being efficacious to the ones making the offerings, which would likely be the reason they rebuilt the temple.

And? God made the rules. Until God opens their eyes to their Messiah they will be, in a sense, correct as they are following "the rules". In the most important sense ( the putting off of sins for another year...not salvation, c'mon now, scholars...you know this! ) they will be dead wrong.

 

[Deleted member 5]

And? God made the rules. Until God opens their eyes to their Messiah they will be, in a sense, correct as they are following "the rules". In the most important sense ( the putting off of sins for another year...not salvation, c'mon now, scholars...you know this! ) they will be dead wrong.

You're preaching to the choir, relax, it will be OK.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I agree its not but even in the N.T. epistles Paul warned the Jewish converts about reverting back to the law and the Author of Hebrews warns the same Jews of going back as well to their laws/traditions. And if one is Premillennial, Mid or Post they believe there will be a temple with the sacrificial system in place. I'm in that camp but not dogmatic about it.

Operative phrase "jewish converts reverting back to the law". For what exactly? Oh...the remittance of sins? Well...yeah he'd warn against that. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about unsaved jews doing unsaved jews things. And saved jews doing things that they know mean nothing at all...to keep the peace.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

You're preaching to the choir, relax, it will be OK.

Then use the appropriate terms and stop equating stuff to things that are patently not true. Efficacious sacrifice for salvation indeed. Pfft.

I warned you. I get irritable about this stuff. Especially among people who are so very particular about almost everything else. Yeesh.

 

[Alive]

Now see...this is the sort of thing I get irritated with. Not you, brother, but this statement. Who, exactly, states that sacrifice would be efficacious for sin?

I know a man, I will not mention his name, who is admired and listened to--who has said this very thing.
There is a member here, who can validate this as he was in that conversation.

Any way--the salient point was efficacy, irrespective of what any Jews might think. Additionally, my points endeaver to come from what I believe is God's point of view and to sharpen the ppoint--Christ's Work and Fullfillment of any and all Law, in His person and for us.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Then use the appropriate terms and stop equating stuff to things that are patently not true. Efficacious sacrifice for salvation indeed. Pfft.

Now you're tripping and seeing things I've never implied.

I warned you. I get irritable about this stuff.

Well, in this case, over a straw man you've erected.

Especially among people who are so very particular about almost everything else. Yeesh.

Yes, you're uptight, I'm fully aware.

 

[civic]

Operative phrase "jewish converts reverting back to the law". For what exactly? Oh...the remittance of sins? Well...yeah he'd warn against that. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about unsaved jews doing unsaved jews things. And saved jews doing things that they know mean nothing at all...to keep the peace.

yes its the unsaved Jews being religious just like the Pharisees in their self righteousness with outward appearances, rituals and ceremony.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I know a man, I will not mention his name, who is admired and listened to--who has sid this very thing.
There is a member here, who can validate this as he was in that conversation.

Any way--the salient point was efficacy, irrespective of what an Jews might think. Additionally, my points endeaver to come from what I believe is God's point of view and to sharpen the ppoint--Christ's Work and Fullfillment of any and all Law, in His person and for us.

Brother I have no issue with naming names in truth. If *I* say something that is crossways with something I've said in the past call me out. I appreciate it hugely. It's gossip that we are warned against.

What I object too are assumptions put forward as fact without delving into what we actually know due to tradition or simple laziness. I *know* we have pastors here who labor day and night for the their people. I've not been called to that honor and I'm a loose nut in many senses...but my sincere hope is to make some of you actually *think*. Not that you don't but that your thinking has been in such and such groove for so long ( and your mentors, and your mentors mentors... ) that you cannot break free of it for a moment to consider.

Anywho...my work day is done. Time for chores and such.

Grace and peace, folks.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Now you're tripping and seeing things I've never implied.

Well, in this case, over a straw man you've erected.

Yes, you're uptight, I'm fully aware.

Oh...you haven't seen me truly riled yet.

Not your words. Alive's words. And it's ok. I'm off for a bit now.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Oh...you haven't seen me truly riled yet.

Well, I'm going to have to try harder!

 

[civic]

Oh...you haven't seen me truly riled yet.

I have

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I have

Pics or it never happened

 

[Deleted member 5]

If they are Jews who believe the O.T. then the sacrificial system makes sense if they want to obey the OT law.

Do you see that as "...what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?" Romans 11:15.

 

[ReverendRV]

Will the 144,000 no longer be the Temple of God, as we are the Temple of God?

 

[VCO]

Quote:
The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot

Historian wrote in 2000:
Professor Smith should have noticed that in Josephus' Greekt ext, the historian accurately said the space was 600 feet. 610 Almost everyone has overlooked this important geographical point. But the fact that a full stade of open space existed between the south wall of Fort Antonia and the north wall of the Temple is a cardinal factor given by Josephus that should never have been jettisoned from our appraisal in understanding that geographical setting. The narratives in Josephus clearly show that Fort Antonia could not have abutted directly to the Temple as we observe in almost all maps by modern scholars. Soon I will show another way of determining that the colonnade roadways were each 600 feet long they were each a stade. Those two colonnades having the narrow roadways on top (45 feet across) bridged this open space between the Temple and Fort Antonia. 611
End Quote:

Despite Josephus say the Colonnade are 600 feet long, and the historian Professor Smith saying it, I cannot believe NO BODY has yet to draw a Picture of it not more than 300 feet. Maybe I will draw one.


Want more Proof that that ZION is south of the City about 600 Feet?

2 Samuel 5:7 (NASB77)
Nevertheless, David captured the stronghold of Zion, that is the city of David.

Oh my!

Want more PROOF:

Now see that yellow line coming down from this 1864 (I guessed) Proto. That is where the Drop Off Point to the Kidron Valle floor was still in tack in Spring of the year. The earthquake in 1834 was MASSIVE, Dropped the fifth causing lots of damage, even to the Bedrock inside the Green line, causing it to crack is numerous places, and toppled the 5th Tower, Tower of Antonia, and farmers has to clear away the slabs of the fallen tower. So in the late spring Lots of ran fell, triggering yet another eathquake. Only this time the Cracked Bedrock gave way and the upper farm house fell into the Kidron Valley. That little Tree inside the right Purple Circle is where the Tower of Antonia was. The foundation of that building is Still visible, underneath that paved Road, where the road turns west. I took another look at that Picture above, that I labeled 1857, and it has to be after this picture was taken. That upper farm house is GONE, part of the Bedrock is gone too, and the trees are growing back, so it has to be about 1867 the Year Sir Charles Warren, found Warren's Shaft. The Color of the Print, of tint, made me think it was older.

You see that blue and yellow arrow above in this picture. That is only 400 feet at that corner.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Will the 144,000 no longer be the Temple of God, as we are the Temple of God?

Have they vanished from the text? Why do you assume they are the Temple of God? Could this be ( gasp ) another end run on making Israel the church or the church Israel?

Has not God always kept a remnant for Himself? Are not all saved, somehow, in Messiah? Can there be different roles for different groups saved in Christ over different times? What is this desperate need to remove Israel, however nicely, from God's economy and replace it with the church?

Could it actually be that there are complexities to this story that we don't see yet?

What will happen when the time of the gentiles ( and the church ) is fulfilled and God turns his attention back to Israel? The church is "done" but "all Israel will be saved"...where? In what group?

So many fun questions. No need to answer them, Rev. I'm tired, blathering, and we won't get to the bottom of it here. Love you, brother.

 

[Alive]

Have they vanished from the text? Why do you assume they are the Temple of God? Could this be ( gasp ) another end run on making Israel the church or the church Israel?

Has not God always kept a remnant for Himself? Are not all saved, somehow, in Messiah? Can there be different roles for different groups saved in Christ over different times? What is this desperate need to remove Israel, however nicely, from God's economy and replace it with the church?

Could it actually be that there are complexities to this story that we don't see yet?

What will happen when the time of the gentiles ( and the church ) is fulfilled and God turns his attention back to Israel? The church is "done" but "all Israel will be saved"...where? In what group?

So many fun questions. No need to answer them, Rev. I'm tired, blathering, and we won't get to the bottom of it here. Love you, brother.

I agree, that there is to be something special yet for the sons of Jacob. I do not know how, but I believe the promises are too specific and enduring.
I look forward to seeing how that turns out.
12 apostles and 12 tribes.

 

[ReverendRV]

Have they vanished from the text? Why do you assume they are the Temple of God? Could this be ( gasp ) another end run on making Israel the church or the church Israel?

Has not God always kept a remnant for Himself? Are not all saved, somehow, in Messiah? Can there be different roles for different groups saved in Christ over different times? What is this desperate need to remove Israel, however nicely, from God's economy and replace it with the church?

Could it actually be that there are complexities to this story that we don't see yet?

What will happen when the time of the gentiles ( and the church ) is fulfilled and God turns his attention back to Israel? The church is "done" but "all Israel will be saved"...where? In what group?

So many fun questions. No need to answer them, Rev. I'm tired, blathering, and we won't get to the bottom of it here. Love you, brother.

Sheesh, it was just a question

What's the answer? Why are they not being fitted together and built up with us? Is Jesus their Chief Cornerstone and their Capstone? Is there another name given under Heaven for them?

 

[Marilyn C]

No, that looks like a MORMON Building, GOD's Dwelling on early Can only be on Mt. ZION. There Mt. today hat they called Mt. Zion after politition like Sanhedrin VOTED ON it in 1212 AD. was way west of Mt. Moriah, which was the name of the whole ridge. Mt. Zion has to have LIVING WATER supply, which is Spring Water, and the ONLY Spring Water in Jerusalem is southeast of the OPHEL. And the because designed it that way IT HAS A SIPHON SPRING, one of the few on earth. Which means It can pump water up to the OPHE, if the bottom two holes ARE pugged. Check out WARREN's Shaft, that is the name of that Siphon Spring.

The Embassy of Israel advises that on August 1982, in the Presence of the Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, Members of Cabinet and many other notables, the Jerusalem great Synagogue was dedicated. It is situated in King George Street, and is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon's Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stained-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the Ten Commandments.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Sheesh, it was just a question

No it wasn't.

What's the answer?

I dunno...everyone else claims to have the answer. I'm waiting to find out.

Why are they not being fitted together and built up with us?

Because?

Is Jesus their Chief Cornerstone and their Capstone?

Dunno. He's their Messiah for certain though.

Is there another name given under Heaven for them?

Have I said so? Has the Bible said so? Do we have to run through this every single time? My answer isn't going to change.

I know I left my whifflebat laying around here somewhere...