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Why Should Christians Be Concerned about the Correct Location of the Third TEMPLE.

2 THESSALONIANS 2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


How do we know that you are not the one deceived ? ? ?
 
How do we know that you are not the one deceived ? ? ?

To be honest, VCO, I stopped paying attention too your multimedia slide show a while back. I'm bad with walls of text and pictures. I'm more of a one point at a time sort of person. But...

First of all the "falling away" portion of 2nd Thess is a bad translation. But I'll leave that to you and Leonard to figure out. Hint: It's the only time the word is used in this way.

Second of all it would be difficult to be deceived since it hasn't happened yet.

There have been many attempts to peg this too Titus or others...doesn't wash. Still a future event.
 
I just found an Very Old map of Jerusalem. It is considered Public Domain, because it was Published no newer than 1875. The reason I know it is old enough, is because before color ink came in, Publishing Houses used to hire teenagers to come in to add color with crayons to give maps and drawing accent colors. You look closely you will see tell tail crayon colors on this map.

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Now you can see the Bridges, Tower, Fortress Antonia in yellow GREEN that I added to this map. Yes there are errors on this map, such as ZION & City of David in the wrong location. Archaeologists recently found King Palace right bel the H in Hery Gate to the South. And they got ZION in the wrong place, because in 1212 AD the Sanhedrin decided to VOTE on where ZION WAS, after failing to have a clear majority, and that idea failed to find a clear majority too. But LOOK what they did GET RIGHT. I just yelling with joy when I found this.

The TEMPLE IS ON THE EXACT position where I have been saying all along, IT BELONGS. Yes I put in yellow GREEN, and the Colonnades (covered bridges), and the look exactly 600 feet each. The Southern Wall is support to be 900 feet, on the so-called Temple Mount, and it looks it. The ditch to West of the Temple looks right too. I knew that ditch would be there, because I read they used to have LIVING WATER (Spring Water) wash the blood away out back of the TEMPLE.
 
To be honest, VCO, I stopped paying attention too your multimedia slide show a while back. I'm bad with walls of text and pictures. I'm more of a one point at a time sort of person. But...

First of all the "falling away" portion of 2nd Thess is a bad translation. But I'll leave that to you and Leonard to figure out. Hint: It's the only time the word is used in this way.

Second of all it would be difficult to be deceived since it hasn't happened yet.

There have been many attempts to peg this too Titus or others...doesn't wash. Still a future event.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NASB)
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

QUOTE:

Do Not Be Forgetful​

for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? (2:3b-5)

This point is closely tied to the first one, since forgetting the truth leaves believers vulnerable to deception. The key to this section is in the last sentence: Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? The imperfect tense of the Greek verb (noting repeated action in past time) translated was telling indicates that teaching about end-time events was a continual theme during Paul's ministry in Thessalonica. Therefore, what the apostle wrote in this section was not new to the church; he merely reiterated what he had already taught them (cf. 2 Peter 1:12-15). That he taught prophetic truth in the few months he had with the new believers in Thessalonica shows that biblical eschatology, including the sequence of events, is not unimportant, as some think, but is foundational to the Christian faith. As noted above, its purpose was not sensational but practical; had the Thessalonians remembered Paul's teaching, they would not have lost their joy and hope.

The Thessalonians had forgotten that Paul told them when he was there that the Day of the Lord will not come unless the apostasy comes first. Out of all the precursors of the Day of the Lord (e.g., Joel 2:31; 3:14; Mal. 4:5), Paul singled out the apostasy. He was not, of course, setting a posttribulational date for the Rapture (cf. the discussion of 1 Thess. 4:13-18 in chapter 11 and 1 Thess. 5:1 in chapter 12 of this volume); he did not tell his readers that they would live to experience the apostasy and the unveiling of the man of lawlessness. Paul's point was merely that the apostasy will precede the Day of the Lord. And since the apostasy has not yet taken place, the Day of the Lord could not have arrived.

The basic meaning of apostasia (apostasy) is "revolt," or "rebellion." In its only other New Testament appearance it refers to forsaking the Law of Moses (Acts 21:21). The Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, uses it three times to express rebellion against God (Josh. 22:22; 2 Chron. 29:19; Jer. 2:19). Thus, the word marks a deliberate defection from a formerly held religious position.

Paul was not referring here to apostasy (defection from the gospel truth) in the general sense. There have always been apostate churches, like that at Laodicea (Rev. 3:14-22), as well as apostate individuals (Heb. 10:25-31; 2 Peter 2:20-22). Such generalized apostasy, because it is always present, cannot signify a particular time period. Therefore, it cannot be the specific event Paul has in mind.

Apostasy will reach its peak in the end times:

MacArthur New Testament Commentary, The - MacArthur New Testament Commentary – 1 & 2 Thessalonians.
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I just found an Very Old map of Jerusalem. It is considered Public Domain, because it was Published no newer than 1875. The reason I know it is old enough, is because before color ink came in, Publishing Houses used to hire teenagers to come in to add color with crayons to give maps and drawing accent colors. You look closely you will see tell tail crayon colors on this map.

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Now you can see the Bridges, Tower, Fortress Antonia in yellow GREEN that I added to this map. Yes there are errors on this map, such as ZION & City of David in the wrong location. Archaeologists recently found King Palace right bel the H in Hery Gate to the South. And they got ZION in the wrong place, because in 1212 AD the Sanhedrin decided to VOTE on where ZION WAS, after failing to have a clear majority, and that idea failed to find a clear majority too. But LOOK what they did GET RIGHT. I just yelling with joy when I found this.

The TEMPLE IS ON THE EXACT position where I have been saying all along, IT BELONGS. Yes I put in yellow GREEN, and the Colonnades (covered bridges), and the look exactly 600 feet each. The Southern Wall is support to be 900 feet, on the so-called Temple Mount, and it looks it. The ditch to West of the Temple looks right too. I knew that ditch would be there, because I read they used to have LIVING WATER (Spring Water) wash the blood away out back of the TEMPLE.
Right Below the H in Hery Gate
 
Every reference to all three Temples on this site was a translation of the Greek Word "Hieron". Any "Temple" erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word "Naos". This word is frequently rendered "Meeting Place", "Dwelling" or "Synagogue".

It is the later word "Naos" that is used by Paul (2 Thess 2:4) in reference to the Temple used by contemporary Israel. It has absolutely no connection exegetically with the site on Mt. Moriah. In fact there is no prerequisite for it to be built there. To the contrary, in line with Greek usage, it must be constructed elsewhere.

The Embassy of Israel advises that on August 1982, in the Presence of the Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, Members of Cabinet and many other notables, the Jerusalem great Synagogue was dedicated.

It is situated in King George Street, and is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon's Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stained-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the Ten Commandments.


The Temple referred to by Paul is built!
 
Every reference to all three Temples on this site was a translation of the Greek Word "Hieron". Any "Temple" erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word "Naos". This word is frequently rendered "Meeting Place", "Dwelling" or "Synagogue".

It is the later word "Naos" that is used by Paul (2 Thess 2:4) in reference to the Temple used by contemporary Israel. It has absolutely no connection exegetically with the site on Mt. Moriah. In fact there is no prerequisite for it to be built there. To the contrary, in line with Greek usage, it must be constructed elsewhere.

The Embassy of Israel advises that on August 1982, in the Presence of the Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, Members of Cabinet and many other notables, the Jerusalem great Synagogue was dedicated.

It is situated in King George Street, and is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon's Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stained-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the Ten Commandments.


The Temple referred to by Paul is built!

No matter how they built it, no matter who built it, it is completely WORTHLESS to be called the TEMPLE OF GOD, if it is not on the exact same Corner stone that GOD said HE wanted it. If you built paying close attention to every thing it says in the BIBLE, and the foundation is in the WRONG PLACE, it is still ONLY a REPLICA of the TEMPLE. The THIRD TEMPLE has never been built, yet.
 
Jer 26:18 [NET2.1 Free]
“Micah from Moresheth prophesied during the time Hezekiah was king of Judah. He told all the people of Judah,
‘The LORD of Heaven’s Armies says, “‘Zion will become a plowed field. Jerusalem will become a pile of rubble. The temple mount will become a mere wooded ridge.”’

Here is a Photo, from about 1917, of the so-called Temple Mount:

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The Muslims had no interest in making it look like what the JEWS said it should look like. So the Jewish Sanhedrin approved a program to make the Highest Hill, look different. Plant a Tree in Jerusalem for Your Loved One that Died, and People Lined Up to donate money, and did it work? Sort of, But the Center Mound is still as barren as ever.

Which will always be a big clue, it is on the Lower Hill hill where the TEMPLE should be located, and the Sanhedrin voted for the wrong site for Mt. ZION, too. Mt. Moriah is the Name of the WHOLE RIDGE, and Mt. ZION is the Center PEAK. Yes, I know Prince Simon bar Kokhba in 132 AD, ordered the Bedrock removed, that was defiled by the Temple of Jupiter, that the Romans put their. But Prince Simon got kill by the Romans in 135 AD, before he laid one stone of the Jewish Temple.

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There is the Mere Wooded Ridge, the Plowed Fields where they raised Potatoes, and Ancient Jerusalem in utter Ruins.
How Obvious, and almost nobody believes me.
 
No matter how they built it, no matter who built it, it is completely WORTHLESS to be called the TEMPLE OF GOD, if it is not on the exact same Corner stone that GOD said HE wanted it. If you built paying close attention to every thing it says in the BIBLE, and the foundation is in the WRONG PLACE, it is still ONLY a REPLICA of the TEMPLE. The THIRD TEMPLE has never been built, yet.
The temple that the Global leader sets up his A/D is NOT the third temple, that is built in the millennium.
 
The temple that the Global leader sets up his A/D is NOT the third temple, that is built in the millennium.

NO, that is Fourth TEMPLE, that Christ himself will build.

Let me show you the THIRD TEMPLE:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 (HCSB)
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?
6 And you know what currently restrains ⌊him⌋, so that he will be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,
8 and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.
9 The coming ⌊of the lawless one⌋ is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,
10 and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. ⌊They perish⌋ because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved.
11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,
12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.

That Sanctuary is build by the JEWS, not CHRIST, it is PROPHECIED, so it WILL HAPPEN, and the Sanctuary is TOTALLY DESTROYED at the Second Coming. And the fact that GOD claims it a HIS, tells me IT WAS BUILD ON THE CORRECT SITE.
 
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NO, that is Fourth TEMPLE, that Christ himself will build.

Let me show you the THIRD TEMPLE:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 (HCSB)
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?
6 And you know what currently restrains ⌊him⌋, so that he will be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,
8 and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.
9 The coming ⌊of the lawless one⌋ is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,
10 and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. ⌊They perish⌋ because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved.
11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,
12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.

That Sanctuary is build by the JEWS, not CHRIST, it is PROPHECIED, so it WILL HAPPEN, and the Sanctuary is TOTALLY DESTROYED at the Second Coming. And the fact that GOD claims it a HIS, tells me IT WAS BUILD ON THE CORRECT SITE.
So, how do people SEE the A/D in the sanctuary which is a separate place. In the temple already built it is quite open for all to see.

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So, how do people SEE the A/D in the sanctuary which is a separate place. In the temple already built it is quite open for all to see.

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Are you listening to what I have been discussing, or are you just addicted to arguing ? ? ?

It is a counterfeit of the REAL McCoy. It has to be built on the ground where KING DAVID talked with GOD and the Angel.

We are through here.
 
Are you listening to what I have been discussing, or are you just addicted to arguing ? ? ?

It is a counterfeit of the REAL McCoy. It has to be built on the ground where KING DAVID talked with GOD and the Angel.

We are through here.
Sorry you see it that way. I was only concerned to point out what I thought was important.
 
It is the absolute truth.
We agree that the third temple has to be built where king Solomon`s temple was, however, that is NOT the temple that the A/C pollutes with his A/D.
 
We agree that the third temple has to be built where king Solomon`s temple was, however, that is NOT the temple that the A/C pollutes with his A/D.


One last time:

Mount Moriah is the NAME of the WHOLE RIDGE, from North of the Dome of the Rock, as the way south till it runs into the Kiron Valley, way south of the Pool of Siloam.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (HCSB)
1 Then Solomon began to build the LORD’s temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah
where the LORD had appeared to his father David, at the site David had prepared on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Isaiah 8:18 (NIV)

18 Here am I, and the children the LORD has given me. We are signs and symbols in Israel from
the LORD Almighty, who dwells on Mount Zion.


To say Mt. ZION is over WEST some where's in ISRAEL, it to ACCUSE GOD OF MAKING A MISTAKE IN ONE OF THOSE VERSES.

TO SAY MT. MORIAH'S CENTRAL PEAK IS MT. ZION, IS THE TRUTH, NO MISTAKE AT ALL.




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TEMPLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE OPHEL, AND THE SANHEDRIN MADE A MISTAKE IN 1212 AD, after over a 1000 years in exile.
The like ducks is a row, Christians chimed in without bothering to Check the Sanhedrin out, and preached the Highest Hill was were the TEMPLE belonged; when it always was on the OPHEL.

Believe what you want to, and I will believe the BIBLE.
I do not want to argue, and this is getting close, so I will step away.
 
One last time:

Mount Moriah is the NAME of the WHOLE RIDGE, from North of the Dome of the Rock, as the way south till it runs into the Kiron Valley, way south of the Pool of Siloam.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (HCSB)
1 Then Solomon began to build the LORD’s temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah
where the LORD had appeared to his father David, at the site David had prepared on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Isaiah 8:18 (NIV)

18 Here am I, and the children the LORD has given me. We are signs and symbols in Israel from
the LORD Almighty, who dwells on Mount Zion.


To say Mt. ZION is over WEST some where's in ISRAEL, it to ACCUSE GOD OF MAKING A MISTAKE IN ONE OF THOSE VERSES.

TO SAY MT. MORIAH'S CENTRAL PEAK IS MT. ZION, IS THE TRUTH, NO MISTAKE AT ALL.




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TEMPLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE OPHEL, AND THE SANHEDRIN MADE A MISTAKE IN 1212 AD, after over a 1000 years in exile.
The like ducks is a row, Christians chimed in without bothering to Check the Sanhedrin out, and preached the Highest Hill was were the TEMPLE belonged; when it always was on the OPHEL.

Believe what you want to, and I will believe the BIBLE.
I do not want to argue, and this is getting close, so I will step away.
I agree with you, as to the third temple. However God`s word never says that the A/C will set up the A/D in the third temple only a temple that the Jews are using at the time.
 
I agree with you, as to the third temple. However God`s word never says that the A/C will set up the A/D in the third temple only a temple that the Jews are using at the time.

I NEVER SAID THAT.

I believe the BIBLE:

Isaiah 46:11-13 (NIV)
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted, you who are far from righteousness.
13 I am bringing my righteousness near, it is not far away; and my salvation will not be delayed. I will grant salvation to Zion, my splendor to Israel.

Isaiah 14:24 (NJB)
24 Yahweh Sabaoth has sworn it, ‘Yes, what I have planned will take place, what I have decided will be so:

Isaiah 25:1 (NCV)

1 LORD, you are my God. I honor you and praise you, because you have done amazing things.
You have always done what you said you would do; you have done what you planned long ago.

Isaiah 37:26-27 (ESV)

26 “‘Have you not heard that I determined it long ago? I planned from days of old what now I bring to pass, that you should make fortified cities crash into heaps of ruins,
27 while their inhabitants, shorn of strength, are dismayed and confounded, and have become like plants of the field and like tender grass, like grass on the housetops, blighted before it is grown.

HERE IS WHAT GOD PLANNED:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 (NCV)
1 Brothers and sisters, we have something to say about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (Second Coming happens when his feet hits the Ground) and the time when we will meet together with him (the Rapture Seven years earlier).
2 Do not become easily upset in your thinking or afraid if you hear that the day of the Lord (Second Coming) has already come. Someone may say this in a prophecy or in a message or in a letter as if it came from us.
3 Do not let anyone fool you in any way. That day of the Lord (Second Coming) will not come until the turning away from God happens and the Man of Evil, who is on his way to hell, appears.
4 He will be against and put himself above anything called God or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God’s Temple and sit there and say that he is God. (There is only one SEAT in a Jewish Temple, the Mercy Seat that God sits on.)
5 I told you when I was with you that all this would happen. Do you not remember?

Like the saying goes, give him enough rope, and he will hang himself.


GOD planned it, and Satan will be Guilty of the ultimate sin, and will send him to Hades, and ultimately Hell, (Lake of Fire).

How Come we did not hear everything HE Said or Did?

John 21:24-25 (HCSB)
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which, if they were written one by one, I suppose not even
the world itself could contain the books that would be written.

In our BIBLE are ONLY the HIGH LIGHTS.
 
Every reference to all three Temples on this site was a translation of the Greek Word "Hieron". Any "Temple" erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word "Naos". This word is frequently rendered "Meeting Place", "Dwelling" or "Synagogue".

It is the later word "Naos" that is used by Paul (2 Thess 2:4) in reference to the Temple used by contemporary Israel. It has absolutely no connection exegetically with the site on Mt. Moriah. In fact there is no prerequisite for it to be built there. To the contrary, in line with Greek usage, it must be constructed elsewhere.

The Embassy of Israel advises that on August 1982, in the Presence of the Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, Members of Cabinet and many other notables, the Jerusalem great Synagogue was dedicated.

It is situated in King George Street, and is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon's Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stained-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the Ten Commandments.


The Temple referred to by Paul is built!

Never Heard of IT. Book, Chapter, and Verse Please?
 
Never Heard of IT. Book, Chapter, and Verse Please?
Check out how Jesus refers to the Temple where Solomon built - Gk. hieron, while Pual uses the Gk. `naos,` meaning a temple built elsewhere than where Solomon built.
 
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