Why Have You Forsaken Me?

[civic]

He was, in his human nature, forsaken by the Father, because he bore our sins and so "became sin" for us. His God nature was not forsaken, because the Trinity cannot be separated.

Brother we must remember His Person is Divine, not human otherwise its Nestorianism.

As a side note natures do not die- people, persons die.

 

[ReverendRV]

Brother we must remember His Person is Divine, not human otherwise its Nestorianism.

As a side note natures do not die- people, persons die.

Welcome back. Perhaps a Sidebar on Nestorianism is warranted...

 

[civic]

Welcome back. Perhaps a Sidebar on Nestorianism is warranted...

Where would you prefer that topic in the Trinity forum or somewhere else ?

 

[ReverendRV]

Where would you prefer that topic in the Trinity forum or somewhere else ?

A brief definition here would be good, and an effort to show why PSA is Nestorianism for a few Posts will work...

 

[civic]

A brief definition here would be good, and an effort to show why PSA is Nestorianism for a few Posts will work...

I was not implying PSA was nestorian. I have not considered that one before. But let me try and wrap my head around it to see if there is any connection.

 

[harmonicat]

There is a proper area for this discussion. It’s not in this thread.

Tell that to the one who initiated the trinity into this thread. It wasn't me!

 

[ReverendRV]

Tell that to the one who initiated the trinity into this thread. It wasn't me!

He's the Boss around here

Just have fun...

 

[harmonicat]

He's the Boss around here

Just have fun...

I know that - Again - I'm not the one who initiated the trinity into this thread!

 

[David1701]

Brother we must remember His Person is Divine, not human otherwise its Nestorianism.

As a side note natures do not die- people, persons die.

Jesus' person is divine and human (one person - two natures: not Nestorianism).

God cannot die; whereas, Jesus, as man, could. I'll put it this way: when a normal human dies, what is it that dies? It's his body, which ceases to function; his spirit continues to function. It was Jesus' human body that died, on the cross, not his Godhood (nor even his human spirit).

 

[David1701]

I was not implying PSA was nestorian. I have not considered that one before. But let me try and wrap my head around it to see if there is any connection.

There is no connection between biblical PSA and Nestorianism!

 

[David1701]

I don't believe in anything I cannot understand. ...

Then you don't believe in God, who is beyond our understanding.

Don't make an idol of your intellect.

 

[ReverendRV]

There is no connection between biblical PSA and Nestorianism!

If this is the Case, the use of Nestorianism as an Objection to PSA is Unwarranted...

We'll give Civic an Opportunity to make the Conflation...

 

[harmonicat]

Then you don't believe in God, who is beyond our understanding.

Don't make an idol of your intellect.

Don't be such an …..Edit, foul language removed

 

[harmonicat]

Then you don't believe in God, who is beyond our understanding.

Don't make an idol of your intellect.

Edit by Admin. (Foul language will not be tolerated here)…….

 

[Fred]

Terrible potty talk.

 

[Carbon]

Terrible potty talk.

He obviously cannot handle the truth,

 

[fastfredy0]

Is there really any reason why we should understand what he says about himself?

There should be enough similarity to communicate the point; otherwise, there is no point in communicating.
That being said, there's a difference between equivalency and analogy. When God says 1+1=2 then we can have equivalency. When God says on He is good we can understand by analogy.

 

[fastfredy0]

Terrible potty talk.

Re: "potty talk"
Is that a theological term? *giggle*

 

[civic]

There is no connection between biblical PSA and Nestorianism!

We will see.

 

[fastfredy0]

He obviously cannot handle the truth

I agree with your viewpoint. That being said, the Trinity and 'hypostatic union' are difficult concepts and when thought out more deeply theologians agree that it is a mystery to some extent ... (where "mystery" can be used to describe either 1) the 'unknown' or 2) sometimes as a 'cover up' for logical inconsistencies).

Again, I am on your side.

Speaking of which .... when I try to understand the 'hypostatic union' I use the analogy of the 2nd member of the Trinity putting on a suit (a human body) that has the attributes of our bodies ... that the 2nd member of the Trinity is a all knowing Super Computer and it's human body is a mini computer with limited capacity. Thus the Super Computer knows when Jesus is coming back and the mini computer hasn't been given that information. The mini computer goes in wisdom and knowledge over time.
... anyways, that's the analogy I use ....