Who are Gods 'Chosen'?

[Keiw1]

All Israel is not born again Israel. Just as a Jew is not one outwardly but inward invisible born

Christ our husbands renamed her Christian more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations Literally meaning "Residents of the heavenly city of Crist" prepared for the bride name after the founder and husband Christ .

Another of the wiles of the father . Chosen to represent the gospel. Not chosen to salvation .

People get it confuses with a chosen race (none)

All Christians are chosen people.

Only the little flock will reside in heaven. The great crowd will not. Only the little flock is the anointed bride.

 

[makesends]

Each one had a different task, and you can see this clearly from the beginning..

yep

 

[Carbon]

I defend the nicene creed, and the trinity!

You do have that correct.

 

[Carbon]

There was no trinity taught at the council of Nicea in 325 ce--Catholicisms own encyclopedia says--The formulation one God in 3 persons was not established or assimilated into christian life until near the end of the 4th century( that was at the council of Constantinople in 381 ce) And it says--The apostolic Fathers knew 0 of God being a trinity.

Our natural notions of the eternal Godhead should excite us to inquire further after God. that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, Acts 17:27.
And that is exactly what the early church Fathers did. They didn't have it all figured out, they constantly studied, prayed, and had meetings on many doctrines. And you have a leader who did not even know the Greek language, yet translated it? You should be very suspicious of that.

Our natural notions concerning God are true, yet they are such imperfect and obscure notions, and because of the corruption of our nature we are very apt to abuse them, so it is very important to regulate them by the Word of God.

Consider what fools have done, and do.
Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

23, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

25, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
Do you see something similar with the JW beliefs? You should.
The Godhead is infinite, and the immensity of God's perfection cannot be measured by any created understanding. God is great and his greatness is unsearchable,
Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised,
and his greatness is unsearchable. Psalm 145:3.

He is great in perfection and excellence. He is great in power and His understanding is infinite,
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power;
his understanding is beyond measure. Psalm 147:5.

Therefore His understanding is unsearchable,
Have you not known? Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He does not faint or grow weary;
his understanding is unsearchable. Isaiah 40:28.

The more you seek to know God by your own understanding the more you realize that you cannot. God's word is the only way to understand the Godhead.

 

[Carbon]

@Keiw1

And keep in mind, This incomprehensible God, who is of Himself and for Himself, cannot be made known to His creatures but by Himself. Men and angels cannot know Him any further that He is pleased to reveal Himself unto them.

 

[Tambora]

@Keiw1

And keep in mind, This incomprehensible God, who is of Himself and for Himself, cannot be made known to His creatures but by Himself. Men and angels cannot know Him any further that He is pleased to reveal Himself unto them.

Agreed.

John 1:18 ESV
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

 

[Mr GLee]

Agreed.

John 1:18 ESV
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

No one can literally see God .He is Eternal Spirit.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It seems that everyone always tries to argue who are God's people, the 'chosen', the 'remnant', 'spiritual Israel' and declare that they are 'Gods chosen', or by rigidly following a religious leader or by strictly restricting their behavior they achieve the status of 'Gods chosen' and thus are 'saved', but what does God say.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Many say I follow Christ and yet continue in sinful lusts and iniquity, they just pretend to make themselves look good before others. No one can declare themselves saved, we cannot save ourselves, salvation by faith is not salvation by works or by presumptuous declaration or anyone could just 'say it' or give lip service of their piety, but God will be the final judge.

Matthew 23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Christ will be our advocate but God will still judge each and everyone, God will look at our case and if it says 'covered by the Christ's righteousness' we are guaranteed eternal life, it is says 'covered by mans logic' then damnation is its end.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Christ came not to judge the world but to save it, but it is still God who judges at the end.

John 12:44-48
44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

It is God who decides who are His people and who will be saved, those who say "I have accepted Christ" but dont really mean it or follow as He asks will be set aside and Christ will tell them 'I never knew you: depart from me', those who say I follow all the laws but do not love God or fail to see the true meaning of the law will be set aside, those who have false piety or use "cheap grace" to cover their continuing in sin will be set aside, and those who did all the 'works' of helping the poor and needy not from love but to gain favor of man, God will be set aside.....

Man cannot declare 'I am saved' or take eternal life as a prize from their own works or labors, it is a gift through Jesus Christ and it is God not man who decides whether you accepted it and are His chosen people.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Many who 'say' they are saved and declare that they are 'righteous' but dont believe that God has the final say, will stumbled over the "stumbling stone" as they depend not on God but on themselves or on man's desire or effort to gain eternal life and have little or no faith......

I noticed you use New Covenant writings to try to prove non-Hebrew Gentiles are God's Chosen people but that is not correct. The New Covenant writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Saul, Peter, James, etc., are all written to Jews and Jewish Christians.

They are written to Jews so that they might know and believe in Jesus Christ and by believing may have eternal and everlasting life in His Name as wrote John:

To the Jews:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31.

To Jewish Christians:
5 By whom we (JEWS) have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all (Jewish Christians) that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [*to be] saints: Grace to you (the Called Jewish Christians) and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:5–7.

*the words "to be" were added by the translators of the AV.

Israel is identified as "saints."
3 Yea, he loved the people;
All his saints are in thy hand:
Deut. 33:3.

Israel is identified as the Called (of God)
12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD:
And thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
Isaiah 62:12.

Israel is "beloved of God"
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. Dan. 9:22–23.

And the Chosen of God are Israel:
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deut. 7:6.

Israel is also the Bride of Christ.
Israel is the Church of God, the Great Congregation in the desert at the time of Moses and the Tabernacle, when the marital covenant was made with His Bride the children of Israel.

 

[Keiw1]

Our natural notions of the eternal Godhead should excite us to inquire further after God. that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, Acts 17:27.
And that is exactly what the early church Fathers did. They didn't have it all figured out, they constantly studied, prayed, and had meetings on many doctrines. And you have a leader who did not even know the Greek language, yet translated it? You should be very suspicious of that.

Our natural notions concerning God are true, yet they are such imperfect and obscure notions, and because of the corruption of our nature we are very apt to abuse them, so it is very important to regulate them by the Word of God.

Consider what fools have done, and do.
Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

23, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

25, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
Do you see something similar with the JW beliefs? You should.
The Godhead is infinite, and the immensity of God's perfection cannot be measured by any created understanding. God is great and his greatness is unsearchable,
Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised,
and his greatness is unsearchable. Psalm 145:3.

He is great in perfection and excellence. He is great in power and His understanding is infinite,
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power;
his understanding is beyond measure. Psalm 147:5.

Therefore His understanding is unsearchable,
Have you not known? Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He does not faint or grow weary;
his understanding is unsearchable. Isaiah 40:28.

The more you seek to know God by your own understanding the more you realize that you cannot. God's word is the only way to understand the Godhead.

I listen to Jesus=John 17:3--The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. All his followers believe him over errors.

 

[Eleanor]

No one can literally see God .He is Eternal Spirit.

God is eternal spirit whom the NT reveals became flesh (Jn 1:1, 14) in Jesus of Nazareth in order to reveal God to us.

One either believes the NT word of God, or one does not.

 

[Mr GLee]

God is eternal spirit whom the NT reveals became flesh (Jn 1:1, 14) in Jesus of Nazareth in order to reveal God to us.

One either believes the NT word of God, or one does not.

Hi Thanks. .

Either rightly interpret the meaning or hide it .

How did invisible God who is Spirit become dying flesh and why ?

 

[Tambora]

No one can literally see God .He is Eternal Spirit.

We have scripture that tells us that there were folks that saw God, either manifested in a physical form that could be witnessed in the physical world or in a form witnessed in a vision.
So we are going to have to use the term "see" in a very broad sense, which should not seem unusual since words in the Hebrew language can have a wide variety of meaning.

 

[RR144]

Only the little flock will reside in heaven. The great crowd will not. Only the little flock is the anointed bride.

And where are the great crowd my friend?

 

[Mr GLee]

We have scripture that tells us that there were folks that saw God, either manifested in a physical form that could be witnessed in the physical world or in a form witnessed in a vision.
So we are going to have to use the term "see" in a very broad sense, which should not seem unusual since words in the Hebrew language can have a wid

I would offer.

Satan, the legion (false apostles with false prophecy) . . oral traditons of dying mankind, is the god of this world. Lust of flesh. lust of the eye. The two building blocks of false pride.

Satan as lucifer the false light (glory)would have mankind believe our (invisible )head as God is a Jewish man as King of kings as a result of the fall. Look at my beauty and live forever ,why believe in a (invisible) God ?

The fool says there is not invisible God that works in the heart of dying mankind .walk by faith the unseen power of God .

That lie is the wrath of God. The idea God not seen (invisible) is worshiped be the things seen the temporal dying

Making the Law of Christ's (faith, labor of love)) "Let there be" without effect ----------.


Romans1: 18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, (temporal things) even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Romans 1 24-25 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature(dying mankind) more than the Creator, (Invisible God) who is blessed for ever. Amen.

A God who hides himself (in parables) . Comparing the temporal dying things seen to the unseen eternal invisible

Job 23:9 On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him:

Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

2 Corinthians 3:18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory (Not seen with the eye.) to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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2 Corinthians 4:6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face (knowledge) of Jesus Christ.

Face to face in revealed :" let there be" knowledge . . . (The law of faith)

God is not a man as us. (creation)

 

[Eleanor]

Hi Thanks. .

Either rightly interpret the meaning or hide it .

How did invisible God who is Spirit become dying flesh and why ?

Your unbelief of Jn 1:1, 14 leaves us no basis for discussion.

 

[Keiw1]

And where are the great crowd my friend?

Matt 5:5-- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth( new earth) --New earth= Gods kingdom rule in full control, no more satan influences ever, no more mortal govts ever, Earth transformed into an Eden( paradise) all things made back to perfection including mortals. Then Jesus hands back the kingdom( when all is perfection= new earth) and subjects himself to his God and Father=1Cor 15:24-28)
Psalm 37:29-- The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.

 

[RR144]

Matt 5:5-- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth( new earth) --New earth= Gods kingdom rule in full control, no more satan influences ever, no more mortal govts ever, Earth transformed into an Eden( paradise) all things made back to perfection including mortals. Then Jesus hands back the kingdom( when all is perfection= new earth) and subjects himself to his God and Father=1Cor 15:24-28)
Psalm 37:29-- The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.

So how do you connect these verses with the great crowd of Rev. 7?

 

[makesends]

Hi Thanks. .

Either rightly interpret the meaning or hide it .

How did invisible God who is Spirit become dying flesh and why ?

Is your problem believing that spirit can become flesh, or, rather, believing that GOD can become flesh? God is spirit, but that doesn't mean that spirit = God. The fact that God is spirit doesn't prohibit him from doing whatever he pleases. It is not a logical contradiction for God the Son to become the man Jesus.

 

[Mr GLee]

Is your problem believing that spirit can become flesh, or, rather, believing that GOD can become flesh? God is spirit, but that doesn't mean that spirit = God. The fact that God is spirit doesn't prohibit him from doing whatever he pleases. It is not a logical contradiction for God the Son to become the man Jesus.

Hi. That a strange way to ask a question ?

Its not a problem for me .

Eternal God as Abba Father is Spirit. . A Spirit does not have flesh and bones. (Things the eyes see the temporal, dying )

Luke 24:38-40King James Version38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

The lord has given us the valuable prescription below to open our understanding, that we might understand the parables. . which without Christ the Husband,. . Holy Spirit spoke not ,

Note . . . .(Red) . . . invisible eternal

Note. . . .(Black) . . . visible (right before ones eye) the temporal We are promised new bodies .No longer Jew or gentile, male nor female .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The Spirit of Christ as a law of His faith (or belief) declared the words "let there be" and the creation was "God alone good"

The invisible created the visible .

Not "let there be" and the creation "was God"


Its where the what some called "Charismatics". Pentecostals are deceived with what they call "sign gifts" (blasphemy). Signs as metaphors used in parables follow that which one believes . . not lead

Supernatural without beginning. God cannot create another God .The second would have a beginning, nature as mankind .

The Son of man Jesus became the born again Son of God. All of dying mankind must be born again.

God has no need to be born .He is supernatural God with out beginning .(let there be)

Its the goal of Satan the invisible spirit of lies to deceive dying mankind to believe eternal God as a Jewish man is King of kings .

 

[Eleanor]

So how do you connect these verses with the great crowd of Rev. 7?

20% of humanity from the last 2,000 years is a "great crowd."