Who are Gods 'Chosen'?

[jeremiah1five]

So there is no mediator of the mosaic covenant, shelved!

I already told you the Holy Spirit.

 

[donadams]

I already told you the Holy Spirit.

How can it be the HS if there was an only ONE mediator??? Who is Christ not the Spirit!

 

[Eleanor]

Where does it say that in the Scripture?

We are dead in trespasses and sins until we are born again into eternal life being made alive with Christ (Eph 2:1-5) by the will of the Holy Spirit, whose will is as sovereign as the wind (Jn 3:3-8).

Where does the NT of Jesus Christ present any who are not born again as being in Christ with their sin debt paid on the cross?
The unrighteous are not the people of God.
The righteous are only those whose sin has been remitted by faith in the person and atoning work of Jesus Chris

You can't even see (understand what the kingdom of God is or means), much less enter it, if you are not born again (Jn 3:3-8)

 

[jeremiah1five]

How can it be the HS if there was an only ONE mediator??? Who is Christ not the Spirit!

You say and quote who the Mediator is, but you don't understand what you read nor what you say in support of what Scripture says and what I say. The Mediator of the New Covenant is the Holy Spirit. Now, I'm going to explain it. You say the same thing, but you don't understand what you've said. Here:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:33–34.

The Law of Moses is eternal. Israel is instructed to obey the Law of Moses.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever. Ex 31:16–17.

God has covenant with Israel, and God has NO COVENANT with Gentiles. The Law of God (Moses) is eternal and serves many purposes. One is to be the Law of God that guides the Jews in their lives, their relations to one another, their culture, and their religious practices. Is this understood?

Now, what "Law" is God going to put in the inward parts of His Chosen people Israel?
Answer: The Law of Moses.

The Law of Moses was once written on stone to guide the children of Israel from without. Now, through the New Covenant, and with the Law being spiritual, and through the new birth being a spiritual birth, God puts the Law of Moses/God in the inward parts of the children of Israel to lead and guide His people from within. Saul said the Law was spiritual:

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Rom. 7:14.

But Israel through the new birth becomes spiritual Israel and can receive in their inward parts God's Law.

Now, who is the Mediator?

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5.

The Hebrew word identifying a title of Israel's Redeemer is

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Dan. 9:26.

Messiah: [Strong's #H4899] from <H4886> (mashach); anointed.

Anointed [One] refers to the Spirit or Holy Spirit.

Although Jesus served in the capacity as a sacrifice under the Law of Moses, the Mediator of the New Covenant is the Holy Spirit.
The Abrahamic Covenant identified the Work of the Father.
The Mosaic Covenant identified the Work of the Son.
The New Covenant identifies the Work of the [Holy] Spirit who is in the world today applying the other two Covenants to and for the children of Abraham through Isaac (the son) and Jacob (representing the Holy Spirit), Abraham's seed. [there is more but I'll leave it at this.]

When you see "Christ" (Spirit) before the name Jesus (man) it identifies the Spirit.
When you see Jesus before the word "Christ" it identifies the Son, the man.
Thus, through your posting of 1 Timothy 2:5 (although not fully understanding it), the Mediator of the NEW Covenant is the Holy Spirit. It is His Ministry under the New Covenant to apply the salvation bought by the Lamb of God, the Second Person of the Trinity to God's Covenant people Israel, as Israel is the recipient of all three covenants.

 

[jeremiah1five]

We are dead in trespasses and sins until we are born again into eternal life being made alive with Christ (Eph 2:1-5) by the will of the Holy Spirit, whose will is as sovereign as the wind (Jn 3:3-8).

Where does the NT of Jesus Christ present any who are not born again as being in Christ with their sin debt paid on the cross?
The unrighteous are not the people of God.
The righteous are only those whose sin has been remitted by faith in the person and atoning work of Jesus Chris

You can't even see (understand what the kingdom of God is or means), much less enter it, if you are not born again (Jn 3:3-8)

God has covenant with Abraham and his seed.
God has covenant with the children of Israel called the Mosaic Covenant.
God has covenant with the House of Israel called the New Covenant.

Each covenant is self-contained in the time in which it is used until the next covenant builds and completes the plan of Redemptive history God ordained for the Hebrew people also identified as the children of Israel and the House of Israel.

In Romans 11 Saul describes who shall be saved and the people that will be saved as per the covenants God made with the Hebrew/Jewish people is Israel. ALL Israel:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom. 11:25–27.

Saul quotes the Old Testament:

20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion,
And unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD;
My spirit that is upon thee,
And my words which I have put in thy mouth,
Shall not depart out of thy mouth,
Nor out of the mouth of thy seed,
Nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD,
From henceforth and for ever.
Isaiah 59:20–21.

Jeremiah also adds prophecy to the LORD'S truth on Israel's salvation:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:33–34.

As you can see God is going to save Israel - ALL ISRAEL - and if you notice there is no mention of faith in God nor is there any mention of "accepting Jesus Messiah in their hearts" nor of any requirement for the persons being saved. God is going to keep His promise made to Abraham (Abrahamic Covenant), the children of Israel (Mosaic Covenant), and the House of Israel (New Covenant) and save ALL Israel, as Saul under inspiration of the Holy Spirit said.

 

[Eleanor]

God has covenant with Abraham and his seed.
God has covenant with the children of Israel called the Mosaic Covenant.

The Mosaic covenant was a temporary addition (Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant, which addition is obsolete (Heb 8:13), and which everlasting possession (Ge 17:8) of the Abrahamic covenant is fulfilled in the heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16), while the promise of seed is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the promised Seed (singular, Gal 3:16). All those in Christ; i.e., the born again, are now the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:29) to whom the promise of an everlasting possession (heavenly land) is fulfilled.

The only covenant remaining is the New Covenant in Jesus Christ with the born again only.

 

[makesends]

How can it be the HS if there was an only ONE mediator??? Who is Christ not the Spirit!

How is Christ NOT also the Holy Spirit —one God?

 

[Eleanor]

How is Christ NOT also the Holy Spirit —one God?

He is the Holy Spirit according to 2 Co 3:17.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Mosaic covenant was a temporary addition (Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant, which addition is obsolete (Heb 8:13), and which everlasting possession (Ge 17:8) of the Abrahamic covenant is fulfilled in the heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16), while the promise of seed is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the promised Seed (singular, Gal 3:16). All those in Christ; i.e., the born again, are now the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:29) to whom the promise of an everlasting possession (heavenly land) is fulfilled.

The only covenant remaining is the New Covenant in Jesus Christ with the born again only.

None of the Hebrew Covenants are obsolete.
The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation were written by Jewish Christians and sent to Jewish Christians at the various locations in the Roman Empire. Galatians was written to Jewish Christians in the Galatian and your reading of Galatians 3 is incorrect. In chapter 3 Saul is writing to Jewish Christians who were concerned of their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant now being followers of Messiah. Your error is you take this letter as though Saul is writing to Gentiles, and he is not. Look at the context of chapter 3. Saul is addressing Jewish Christians, and this is easily understood by his reference to the Law.

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal. 3:1–2.

The only people doing "works of the Law" were Jews. And until the New Covenant could be fully understood the born-again Jews continued in the Law of Moses, which Law is the Law God promised to put in their inward parts. Saul continues, in addressing Jewish Christians who were concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant as they were now followers of Yeshua Messiah. Saul continues:

23 But before faith came, we [Jews] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [Jews] schoolmaster to bring us [Jews] unto Christ, that we [Jews] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [Jews] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [Jews] are all [Jews] the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [Jews] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [Jews] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [Jews] be Christ’s, then are ye [Jews] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:22–29.

Saul eases their worried minds by saying that if they are Abraham's seed, and even as Messiah followers, they were STILL Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
Gentiles were never under the Law, nor were they even included in the Abrahamic Covenant, and no Gentile is an heir to anything Jewish. It is the seed of Abraham that are heirs according to the promise of God.
Now, if you are honest with the Scripture you will click "Like" to show that what I said is true.

 

[Hobie]

Can you cite three specific examples? Thx

Well, scripture shows us more but we see...

Isaiah 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

And shown again..
Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Zephaniah 3:13
The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[donadams]

You say and quote who the Mediator is, but you don't understand what you read nor what you say in support of what Scripture says and what I say. The Mediator of the New Covenant is the Holy Spirit. Now, I'm going to explain it. You say the same thing, but you don't understand what you've said. Here:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:33–34.

The Law of Moses is eternal. Israel is instructed to obey the Law of Moses.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever. Ex 31:16–17.

God has covenant with Israel, and God has NO COVENANT with Gentiles. The Law of God (Moses) is eternal and serves many purposes. One is to be the Law of God that guides the Jews in their lives, their relations to one another, their culture, and their religious practices. Is this understood?

Now, what "Law" is God going to put in the inward parts of His Chosen people Israel?
Answer: The Law of Moses.

The Law of Moses was once written on stone to guide the children of Israel from without. Now, through the New Covenant, and with the Law being spiritual, and through the new birth being a spiritual birth, God puts the Law of Moses/God in the inward parts of the children of Israel to lead and guide His people from within. Saul said the Law was spiritual:

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Rom. 7:14.

But Israel through the new birth becomes spiritual Israel and can receive in their inward parts God's Law.

Now, who is the Mediator?

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5.

The Hebrew word identifying a title of Israel's Redeemer is

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Dan. 9:26.

Messiah: [Strong's #H4899] from <H4886> (mashach); anointed.

Anointed [One] refers to the Spirit or Holy Spirit.

Although Jesus served in the capacity as a sacrifice under the Law of Moses, the Mediator of the New Covenant is the Holy Spirit.
The Abrahamic Covenant identified the Work of the Father.
The Mosaic Covenant identified the Work of the Son.
The New Covenant identifies the Work of the [Holy] Spirit who is in the world today applying the other two Covenants to and for the children of Abraham through Isaac (the son) and Jacob (representing the Holy Spirit), Abraham's seed. [there is more but I'll leave it at this.]

When you see "Christ" (Spirit) before the name Jesus (man) it identifies the Spirit.
When you see Jesus before the word "Christ" it identifies the Son, the man.
Thus, through your posting of 1 Timothy 2:5 (although not fully understanding it), the Mediator of the NEW Covenant is the Holy Spirit. It is His Ministry under the New Covenant to apply the salvation bought by the Lamb of God, the Second Person of the Trinity to God's Covenant people Israel, as Israel is the recipient of all three covenants.

it’s not the sacrifice or blood of the spirit that gives us life in the new covenant Passover

 

[Eleanor]

None of the Hebrew Covenants are obsolete.

You do not understand the NT, which leaves us no basis for discussion.

 

[donadams]

How is Christ NOT also the Holy Spirit —one God?

One divine nature but three distinct persons just as you and I have one human nature but are two distinct persons, you are not me, and I am not you, but we are both human

Thanks

 

[jeremiah1five]

You do not understand the NT, which leaves us no basis for discussion.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations
Which came against Jerusalem
Shall even go up from year to year
To worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
And to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up
Of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem
To worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
Even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, ethat have no rain;
There shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen
That come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zech. 14:16–18.

The Constantinian Gentile church teaches that the Law of Moses is "abolished."

The Feast of Tabernacles is the third of three Feasts in the Law of Moses. Seems to me the Law of Moses is alive and well when God sits on His throne.
I think the Constantinian Gentile church made a great big error in "abolishing" the Law of Moses.
WHO do they think they are to do such a thing?
The Law of Moses is not "abolished."
Better read up and study the Law of Moses because the WHOLE LAW is still in effect.
The Jews just don't have a Temple in which to do certain things which is why their Judaism is centered on their Feasts.
For now.
Explain this to me, Eleanor. Why does the Constantinian Gentile church teach for nearly 1900 years the Law of Moses is abolished but God commands Gentiles to obey the Law in the future?
Explain that to me, please.

 

[makesends]

One divine nature but three distinct persons just as you and I have one human nature but are two distinct persons, you are not me, and I am not you, but we are both human

Thanks

God is not a nature. He is a being —The Being, the I Am.

You and I are not one, in the same way that The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are one. Read John 17.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God is not a nature. He is a being —The Being, the I Am.

You and I are not one, in the same way that The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are one. Read John 17.

It's one divine nature, one human nature, One Person.
One Being. Be-ing. Corresponding to I AM.
Not I was, or I will be, but I AM.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You do not understand the NT, which leaves us no basis for discussion.

Good. Because I'm not discussing. I'm declaring.

 

[Mr GLee]

A specific example of WHO is God's Chosen is in Scripture:

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant;
And Israel, whom I have chosen:
2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee,
And formed thee from the womb, which will help thee;
Is 44:1–2.

Salvation is of the Jews.

Which one? Inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ or outward Jew dying flesh and blood??

What were they chosen to do? Jesus said his dying flesh. . . it. . . . profits for nothing ?

Where they chosen to represent all the nations of the world in the affairs of God not seen working with of dying mankind . Displaying blessing as well as curses .

He has no needs.(Not one) He could use a unbeliever to preach His gospel as doing the will yoked with the Father .

Christ is not served by the dying hands of mankind.. .in any way shape or form

 

[donadams]

God is not a nature. He is a being —The Being, the I Am.

You and I are not one, in the same way that The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are one. Read John 17.

He does have one nature, one essence

 

[jeremiah1five]

Which one? Inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ or outward Jew dying flesh and blood??

The Natural Jew through covenant and Christ is the spiritual Jew. Same people.

What were they chosen to do? Jesus said his dying flesh. . . it. . . . profits for nothing ?

They were chosen from before the foundation of the world to redemption.

Where they chosen to represent all the nations of the world in the affairs of God not seen working with of dying mankind . Displaying blessing as well as curses .

They were chosen to represent God in the affairs of God. The Gog and Magog have their own representation. I think it's Satan. Read Revelation.

He has no needs.(Not one) He could use a unbeliever to preach His gospel as doing the will yoked with the Father .
Christ is not served by the dying hands of mankind.. .in any way shape or form

The dying hands of mankind will one day glorify God and His Christ. Read the Psalms.
Read the bible. Just make sure it's a good translation.