Who are God's chosen People?

[makesends]

@Josheb



Okay then thats it. Israel of God is the Body of Christ that shall be saved ! Whats your problem ? Whats your obsession with national israel ?

Looking at both parties and their posts, the obsession is pretty obviously yours. Even apart from outright declarations, it seems you must slide some notion in sideways, by saying such things as, "Spiritual Israel is [(present tense)] within national israel." What's going on, here?

 

[brightfame52]

makesends said:
So no longer as in the OT. We need not become members of national Israel to be come members of spiritual Israel, so why put it the way you did --was it a typo to say, "Spiritual Israel is within national israel"? Why the present tense, "IS", there?

So, again, why the present tense declaration of, "Spiritual Israel IS within national israel"? You have not answered me that.

You still dont get it, you making something over complicated because you dont believe it

 

[brightfame52]

Looking at both parties and their posts, the obsession is pretty obviously yours. Even apart from outright declarations, it seems you must slide some notion in sideways, by saying such things as, "Spiritual Israel is [(present tense)] within national israel." What's going on, here?

You still dont get it, its simple

 

[makesends]

No Im correct, like the passover, any and all of the nation of israel could partake of the passover, even the non elect jews who were of Abrahams physical desecent, but to partake of the Lords supper. one would have to be a believer in Christ, so that would be only the remnant within the nation, just using that for an example. Thats because while the OT Covenant was in tact, the Nation was Gods chosen Covenant People, redeemed from egypt, but following the Death of Christ, the nation lost that distinction, hence it was only temporary, until the time of reformation, which was Christ Heb 9:10

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Heb 8:7-8,13

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

It was temporary

If it was only temporary, then WHY do you not answer why you say, using the present tense 'IS', "Spiritual Israel is within national israel"?

 

[brightfame52]

If it was only temporary, then WHY do you not answer why you say, using the present tense 'IS', "Spiritual Israel is within national israel"?

You dont get it still

 

[Eleanor]

You dont get it still

Convenient dodge. . .

 

[makesends]

You dont get it still

I'm guessing, then, you mean it only in the abstract, kinda like the 'narrative present'? You don't actually mean Spiritual Israel IS (present tense) within national security?

I'm giving you an out here. But, I'm guessing you won't take it.

 

[brightfame52]

Convenient dodge. . .

Apparently you dont get it either

 

[brightfame52]

I'm guessing, then, you mean it only in the abstract, kinda like the 'narrative present'? You don't actually mean Spiritual Israel IS (present tense) within national security?

I'm giving you an out here. But, I'm guessing you won't take it.

You dont get it, all that I have posted, you dont get it

 

[Eleanor]

Apparently you dont get it either

Yep. . .it's a dodge. . .

 

[brightfame52]

Yep. . .it's a dodge. . .

Its an inability of you understanding truth

 

[makesends]

You dont get it, all that I have posted, you dont get it

Oh, well, then...

 

[Eleanor]

Its an inability of you understanding truth

Depends on your point of view. . .

 

[brightfame52]

Depends on your point of view. . .

I just gave it to you

 

[Eleanor]

I just gave it to you

Which evidently is not my point of view. . .and, therefore, we do not agree.

 

[donadams]

Not to mention the contradictions I found in scripture against the teaching of certain ones I grew up hearing from, it never has made sense to me that God would consider those he chose from the very beginning as his own for eternity, to be any more nor less precious than the elect from among the chosen people he used for an example. I doubt very much that Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David nor Peter would mind us being equal to them in God's eyes, all of the same "spiritual DNA".

then why does Gal 4 change the old chosen people from the free woman to the bond?

and christians unto the free woman? "the woman" the virgin Mary gen 3:15


gal 4:23-28

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise

thks