When and what is the thousand years? Part 1

[Marty]

Introduction

There is a popular belief within the church that Christians in the future will reign with Jesus for 1000 years of peace upon the earth because satan is bound. Is this biblical? Does the bible actually say that? If this is true there are so many unanswered questions and assumptions, for example…

Does the 1000-year binding of satan and the 1000-year reign of the saints start and end at the same time?

If Jesus is living on the earth during the 1000 years, why is it not mentioned in the book of Revelation?

Where does Jesus go when satan is released?

Why is only satan bound and not his fallen angles?

Why didn't Jesus teach this in the gospels?

Why didn't any New Testament wright including Paul ever teach this?

Why do so many people turn against Jesus when satan is released?

Wouldn’t this mean that Jesus reign failed as at the end of his 1000-year earthly reign millions of people turn against him within a short period of time?

There are many more questions, but we first need to investigate what the reigning and binding actually are and when they happen to get to those answers.

Are the timelines of each 1000 years the same?

Revelation chapter 20 does not mention Jesus' living on the earth or even that it is a time of peace. These assumptions are added to the text because people don’t understand what the reigning and binding are. Is the reigning only because of the binding of satan? If so we must see if both timelines match up.

The 1000-year binding

Satan’s binding for 1000 years starts in Revelation chapter 20:2
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Satan’s 1000-year binding ends in verse 7.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

The 1000-year reign starts in verse 4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The 1000-year reign ends in verse 12.
. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

We know that the reign ends here in verse 12 because verse 5 tells us.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

These are not the same timelines they don’t match up. Satan is released from his binding just before he deceives the nations again and makes his last attempt to wipe out the church before being cast into hell. The reign ends on the judgment day when the rest of the dead comes back to life (see verse 5 above) which is after satan is finally dealt with by God. We clearly see here that the reigning isn’t because of the binding of satan because they are not the same timelines.

What is the binding of Satan?

The bible only says that Satan is bound from deceiving the nations it doesn’t say he is bound from doing any evil. I believe that Satan is bound spiritually by the power of the Holy Spirit from deceiving the nations because of the proclamation of the gospel to the world. When people hear who Jesus is and what He did for them through the gospel and accept Jesus as their savior the Holy Spirit enters them.
When the day of Pentecost came, the church grew at a great rapid speed for hundreds of years and millions of people were saved from all of the nations. Paul stated more than once that the gospel was spread throughout the whole earth during his time which was only about 20 to 30 years after the day of Pentecost. Doesn’t that sound like satan was bound from deceiving the nations as he was losing ground?

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 tells us that Satan’s power is held back during Paul’s time.

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

I believe that Satan was bound on the day of Pentecost as the Holy Spirit came into the world through the saints. Jesus now reigns over heaven and earth as satan was cast out of heaven. The nations would now learn that they are co heirs with Israel, we are all one body in Christ.

Revelation 12:10-12

10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God Day and night,
has been hurled down.

11 They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.

12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”

 

[Ghada]

Introduction

There is a popular belief within the church that Christians in the future will reign with Jesus for 1000 years of peace upon the earth because satan is bound.

Some carnal Christians may believe that, who try to blame the devil for their sinning. Adam was not decieved in the transgression.

The Bible prophecy of peace on earth and good will toward all men, is because the Lord is righteously ruling all the earth.

Is this biblical?

Not blaming the devil for sinning.

Nor is it biblical to not believe the Lord can righteously rule over all the earth, with peace and good will toward all men.

Does the bible actually say that?

Yes. The Lord can and will righteously rule over all the earth for a thousand years, after His return upon the earth.

If this is true there are so many unanswered questions

'If' is unbelief, that leads to questioning the plain words of Bible prophecy.

and assumptions,

Bible prophecy is not assumption.

Questioning the truth of Bible prophecy is unbelief.

Does the 1000-year binding of satan and the 1000-year reign of the saints start and end at the same time?

Not where natural law and rules of grammar apply. 0 is at the same time. 1000 years begins and expires a 1000 years apart.

If Jesus is living on the earth during the 1000 years, why is it not mentioned in the book of Revelation?

All doctrine and prophecy of God must be learned from all the Bible together. Each Scripture must be taught in context of all Scripture.

Limiting the Lord's 1000 year rule to Rev 20, is as foolish as limiting the Lord coming in the flesh to Isaiah 53.

Where does Jesus go when satan is released?

Since their destruction is by fire from God out of heaven, then His throne in heaven.

Why is only satan bound and not his fallen angles?

Because the angels that sinned are already chained in hell unto judgment.

Limiting your ideas to Rev 20, is not wise.

Why didn't Jesus teach this in the gospels?

The same reason He didn't include teaching the first resurrection or the 2nd death.

By His Spirit He has revealed such things before and after His first coming.

Why didn't any New Testament wright including Paul ever teach this?

John is a NT apostle and writer.

Why do so many people turn against Jesus when satan is released?

Outward obedience does not guarantee inward purity. Like Absalom, many wait for the chance to rebel against the King.

It will also prove once for all, as with the garden, that environment is not a just cause for unlawfulness. Carnal man's social sciences are a fraud for excusing unlawfulness.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Wouldn’t this mean that Jesus reign failed as at the end of his 1000-year earthly reign

Jesus won't fail in His earthly reign. All transgressors of the King's law will be swiftly judged and executed accordingly.

Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Nor will He fail to destroy all rebels after His reign is expired.

There are many more questions,

Not for the believers. Nor any of the other questionings of God's prophecies matter.

Though may be an interesting look into doubtful minds.

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Introduction

There is a popular belief within the church that Christians in the future will reign with Jesus for 1000 years of peace upon the earth because satan is bound. Is this biblical? Does the bible actually say that?

Which "version of the truth" would you like??? Eschatology, is a "Religious term" for "Rank Speculation about the future", nothing more.

Bottom line: At some point in the future, Jesus will return "as they saw Him go", this Age will terminate, and the NEW Heavens and the NEW Earth will commence. Beyond that, it's all "theology", and many versions thereof. I pretty much IGNORE all the "theological noise"

Personally, I'll "Occupy until HE comes" (luke 19:13), and expect to die physically before that occurs.

 

[Ghada]

but we first need to investigate what the reigning and binding actually are and when they happen to get to those answers.

No we don't. Reigning and binding in the Bible, actually are reigning and binding understood by common grammar.

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Are the timelines of each 1000 years the same?

?? Each timeline of a 1000 years is always the same mount of time, just not the at the same time.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

The 1000-year binding

Satan’s binding for 1000 years starts in Revelation chapter 20:2
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

True.

Satan’s 1000-year binding ends in verse 7.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

True.

The 1000-year reign starts in verse 4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

True.

The 1000-year reign ends in verse 12.
. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

False. The 1000 years expires at the end of the 1000 years in 20:7. Before v 12 is time since the 1000 years expired.

20:8-11: Satan is loose. Nations are decieved. Multitudes are gathered around the holy city. Fire from God devours them. Satan is cast into the LOF. The heaven and earth flee from the Lord's face.

Nothing is said about the amount of time passing between v7 & v12.

We know that the reign ends here in verse 12 because verse 5 tells us.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

Immediately is not said. And vs8-11 show why.

These are not the same timelines they don’t match up.

Vs8-11 show why adding immediately, does not match up.

Satan is released from his binding just before he deceives the nations again and makes his last attempt to wipe out the church before being cast into hell.

And where did the Lord go?

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

Sitting again on His throne in heaven, and laughing at their rebellion, until they leave no doubt to their purpose.

It will be the final destruction of them that hate the Lord and His people, after the manner of Pharaoh's armies in the Red Sea, and the Beast's armies around Armageddon.

The reign ends on the judgment day when the rest of the dead comes back to life (see verse 5 above) which is after satan is finally dealt with by God.

And so you know your own abuse of the Scriptures' prophecy. The reign ends when Satan is last loosed on earth. The final judgment begins after Satan's final defeat.

We clearly see here that the reigning isn’t because of the binding of satan

Of course not. The Lord won't reign a 1000 years, just because He has Satan bound during His reign. He will reign because He is Lord of Lords, and is prophesied to.

because they are not the same timelines.

Your timeline is made up. God's timeline is obvious to anyone holding to basic grammar.

 

[Ghada]

What is the binding of Satan?

Bound in the bottomless pit with a great chain, and shut up for a thousand years.

The bible only says that Satan is bound from deceiving the nations it doesn’t say he is bound from doing any evil.

Dante is not correct. Satan does not make a rebellion in hell?

I believe that Satan is bound spiritually by the power of the Holy Spirit from deceiving the nations because of the proclamation of the gospel to the world.

Your belief is in spirit-only fables, by unbelief in the words of Scriptural prophecy.

Some unbelievers believe hell is a spirit-only parable.

Some teach their own spirit-reign today, in order to secure themselves against the second death, while doing unrighteousness today.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I believe that Satan was bound on the day of Pentecost as the Holy Spirit came into the world through the saints. Jesus now reigns over heaven and earth as satan was cast out of heaven.

And so, you now confirm you don't believe in the Lord's prophesied Millennial rule upon the earth.

As we have seen your unbelief changing the prophecy.

 

[Eleanor]

Introduction

There is a popular belief within the church that Christians in the future will reign with Jesus for 1000 years of peace upon the earth because satan is bound. Is this biblical? Does the bible actually say that? If this is true there are so many unanswered questions and assumptions, for example…

Revelation is symbolic prophecy, where I see 1,000 years as symbolic of the church age, and the first resurrection as symbolic of the resurrection from spiritual death to eternal life in the new birth.

 

[Ghada]

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
God's Bible is not the symbol man's bible.

Many unbelievers have sought to make the Bible into just another book of symbolic fables. They most all do so simply to repent not of their unrighteous deeds.

That is especially true with the book of Revelation and the Lord's coming kingdom with power on earth for a thousand years.

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Mr GLee]

The signified understanding as parables or called hidden manna .

(Sola scriptura) the interpreting authority, the whole chapter Revelation 1 through 22 or called a book by some

The metaphor thousand years represents a unknown no sign was given to wonder after . the first three time sets the pattern for the parable of Revelation 20

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years (Unknown) in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Not is yesterday

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
Live once

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

As a day not a literal day 24 hours .

Many translations remove the interpreting instructions called the "signified" the language of parables .

Revelation 1: 1KJ21 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John,

Revelation 1:1 AMP This is the revelation of Jesus Christ [His unveiling of the divine mysteries], which God [the Father] gave to Him to show to His bond-servants (believers) the things which must soon take place [in their entirety]; and He sent and communicated it by His angel (divine messenger) to His bond-servant John,

Nothing above as to the signified or called hidden manna in Chapter 2 :17

Chose the signified interpretation or gospel understanding. walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God again no sign was given to wonder after.

 

[Josheb]

Introduction

There is a popular belief within the church that Christians in the future will reign with Jesus for 1000 years of peace upon the earth because satan is bound. Is this biblical? Does the bible actually say that? If this is true there are so many unanswered questions and assumptions, for example…

Does the 1000-year binding of satan and the 1000-year reign of the saints start and end at the same time?

If Jesus is living on the earth during the 1000 years, why is it not mentioned in the book of Revelation?

Where does Jesus go when satan is released?

Why is only satan bound and not his fallen angles?

Why didn't Jesus teach this in the gospels?

Why didn't any New Testament wright including Paul ever teach this?

Why do so many people turn against Jesus when satan is released?

Wouldn’t this mean that Jesus reign failed as at the end of his 1000-year earthly reign millions of people turn against him within a short period of time?

There are many more questions, but we first need to investigate what the reigning and binding actually are and when they happen to get to those answers.

Are the timelines of each 1000 years the same?

Revelation chapter 20 does not mention Jesus' living on the earth or even that it is a time of peace. These assumptions are added to the text because people don’t understand what the reigning and binding are. Is the reigning only because of the binding of satan? If so we must see if both timelines match up.

The 1000-year binding

Satan’s binding for 1000 years starts in Revelation chapter 20:2
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Satan’s 1000-year binding ends in verse 7.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

The 1000-year reign starts in verse 4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The 1000-year reign ends in verse 12.
. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

We know that the reign ends here in verse 12 because verse 5 tells us.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

These are not the same timelines they don’t match up. Satan is released from his binding just before he deceives the nations again and makes his last attempt to wipe out the church before being cast into hell. The reign ends on the judgment day when the rest of the dead comes back to life (see verse 5 above) which is after satan is finally dealt with by God. We clearly see here that the reigning isn’t because of the binding of satan because they are not the same timelines.

What is the binding of Satan?

The bible only says that Satan is bound from deceiving the nations it doesn’t say he is bound from doing any evil. I believe that Satan is bound spiritually by the power of the Holy Spirit from deceiving the nations because of the proclamation of the gospel to the world. When people hear who Jesus is and what He did for them through the gospel and accept Jesus as their savior the Holy Spirit enters them.
When the day of Pentecost came, the church grew at a great rapid speed for hundreds of years and millions of people were saved from all of the nations. Paul stated more than once that the gospel was spread throughout the whole earth during his time which was only about 20 to 30 years after the day of Pentecost. Doesn’t that sound like satan was bound from deceiving the nations as he was losing ground?

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 tells us that Satan’s power is held back during Paul’s time.

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

I believe that Satan was bound on the day of Pentecost as the Holy Spirit came into the world through the saints. Jesus now reigns over heaven and earth as satan was cast out of heaven. The nations would now learn that they are co heirs with Israel, we are all one body in Christ.

Revelation 12:10-12

10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God Day and night,
has been hurled down.

11 They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.

12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”

Can you, and would you please, summarize the answer to this op's inquiry or the point of discussion in a single thesis statement, or a sentence or three?

 

[Marty]

Can you, and would you please, summarize the answer to this op's inquiry or the point of discussion in a single thesis statement, or a sentence or three?

The summery is at the bottom of part 4

 

[Josheb]

The summery is at the bottom of part 4

"Part 4"? Do you mean the end of the fourth OP bearing this title?

 

[Marty]

"Part 4"? Do you mean the end of the fourth OP bearing this title?

Yes

 

[Josheb]

Yes

I have replied there

 

[Mr GLee]

Some carnal Christians may believe that, who try to blame the devil for their sinning. Adam was not decieved in the transgression.

The Bible prophecy of peace on earth and good will toward all men, is because the Lord is righteously ruling all the earth.


Not blaming the devil for sinning.

Nor is it biblical to not believe the Lord can righteously rule over all the earth, with peace and good will toward all men.



Yes. The Lord can and will righteously rule over all the earth for a thousand years, after His return upon the earth.


'If' is unbelief, that leads to questioning the plain words of Bible prophecy.


Bible prophecy is not assumption.

Questioning the truth of Bible prophecy is unbelief.

Not where natural law and rules of grammar apply. 0 is at the same time. 1000 years begins and expires a 1000 years apart.


All doctrine and prophecy of God must be learned from all the Bible together. Each Scripture must be taught in context of all Scripture.

Limiting the Lord's 1000 year rule to Rev 20, is as foolish as limiting the Lord coming in the flesh to Isaiah 53.


Since their destruction is by fire from God out of heaven, then His throne in heaven.

Because the angels that sinned are already chained in hell unto judgment.

Limiting your ideas to Rev 20, is not wise.

The same reason He didn't include teaching the first resurrection or the 2nd death.

By His Spirit He has revealed such things before and after His first coming.



John is a NT apostle and writer.

Outward obedience does not guarantee inward purity. Like Absalom, many wait for the chance to rebel against the King.

It will also prove once for all, as with the garden, that environment is not a just cause for unlawfulness. Carnal man's social sciences are a fraud for excusing unlawfulness.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:



Jesus won't fail in His earthly reign. All transgressors of the King's law will be swiftly judged and executed accordingly.

Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Nor will He fail to destroy all rebels after His reign is expired.





Not for the believers. Nor any of the other questionings of God's prophecies matter.

Though may be an interesting look into doubtful minds.

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

The style of hermeneutics as a parbles is given in the opening verse. Sent and signified . not sent as literal, Remember no sign were given to wonder after. Signified understanding using the temporal things seen to give us the understanding of God not seen the faithfulness of Christ . Called hidden manna . Like not my will be done but your hidden unknown will, revealed to us as it is written , the light on the path

The first three time the metaphor thousand years is used easy to see it is parable the signified tongue of prophecy Thousand years as if it was literal the metaphor does not become literal in the book /chapter Revelation that uses all the metaphors in parables through the bible.

The metaphor thousand to represent a unknown in any thing in view time. money. cattle mountains etc hundreds of references to the use

Genesis 20:16 And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all (unknown) that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved

Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
thousand all an unknown .God does not number

Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills
All the cattle on all the hills

Psalm 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
every day.

Psalm 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations
All unknown

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
the appointment die once a unknown

2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day
as a a aprable in sight a unmown again

God does not number like david when he sinned . he warns of those of the number comparing themselves to themselves (oral traditions) they walk by sight after the temporal seen and not by the faith of Christ the unseen eternal


The Father desires we walk by the the unseen things of God called faith. he gives us little the golden measure or hidden calling us of little faith. . He is the storeroom of that power that can raise the dead. The "let there be" kind of power and "he was raised" to newness of life

many metaphors in the parable the signified prophecy using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen spiritual understanding.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the "nations" no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

At the time of the first century reformation it destroyed Kings a pagan foundation dying mankind in Israel

Jesus said it is finished the veil was rent signifying the circumcision of the first born of what is called in Exodus our bloody husband because of circummsion. There was no Jewish man as King of kings sitting there Satan fell he could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings . he will be loosed to again try and deceive mankind God is a Jewish man as King of kings .

We walk by faith Christ's working in us to both reveal his will and raise us up to do it to his good pleasure In that way he has no needs but satisfies all

Walk by faith not by sight get behind him not Peter. Satan who desired to be the lying spirit as Kings of kings is shown rebuking the true King of kings

Mathew 16: 22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, (walk by Christ's faith the unseen things of God) Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

His goal trying make Jewish Peter King of kings he will be loosed for a short while to again deceive all the nation God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Kings in Israel a pagan foundation . . out of sight out of mind "no faith" of Christ as it is written .the King of kings

 

[Ghada]

The style of hermeneutics as a parbles is given in the opening verse. Sent and signified . not sent as literal,

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Sent and signified is literal for Jesus' second coming with power followed by ruling all nations, as was His first coming to suffer the death of the cross, followed by being resurrected from the dead.

Making one signified nonliteral, also makes the other just as nonliteral.

I love how God always openly exposes all false doctrine about the Bible. Many times it's as easy as reading what people writem, and then quoting the Bible saying the opposite.

I sometimes wonder is people just don't read all the Bible, or just don't care to believe all the words of the Bible as written.

 

[Ghada]

The first three time the metaphor thousand years is used easy to see it is parable the signified tongue of prophecy

True. Though not a parable, but the literal truth of God's eternal being, where any one day of time, is as any thousand years of time, and a thousand years pass as just one more day of time.

The thousand years of Jesus Christ reigning over all nations with His resurrected saints, will indeed pass as just a single day, for them. Not for the men and women governed by them personally on earth.

Thousand years as if it was literal the metaphor does not become literal in the book /chapter Revelation

Stating a thousand years 6 times in a row, with an expiration date, can only be literal, if anyone takes God's words seriously.

Only unbelievers play games with words of simple grammar.

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to plain words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

The metaphor thousand to represent a unknown in any thing in view time. money. cattle mountains etc hundreds of references to the use

A thousand is used as obvious metaphor many times in the Bible, but obviously not all the time.

Rigidity with Scripture is believing it one way, but not another. That's especially true of them that love metaphor to the exclusion of reality.

That's mostly practiced by them that believe in their own faith alone, no matter what the words of the Bible say contrariwise.

God does not number like david when he sinned .

Not like David when he sinned, but like God when telling the truth:

And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.

And the silver of them that were numbered of the congregation was an hundred talents, and a thousand seven hundred and threescore and fifteen shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary:

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The Bible is full of God keeping accurate numbers of armies, days, years, and souls, whether about or exactly the number.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Nothing about, 'about' a thousand years, but exactly one thousand years, expiring on the last day of the thousand years.

Readers either take God seriously and believe His formal words or not.

he warns of those of the number comparing themselves to themselves (oral traditions) they walk by sight

Comparing their deeds and lives with one another. Not swapping old wives tales and men's traditions.

Once again, Scripture is removed from truth, when the teaching is removed from works on the ground.

If the Lord's thousand year reign on earth is made only a sign, then so was His crucifixion and resurrection from the dead just a fabulous hoax, as many want to believe.

 

[Ghada]

The Father desires we walk by the the unseen things of God called faith.

Which does not include the works of the flesh seen by all on earth.

So heavenly minded, no earthly good. So spiritual, the body is left out.

many metaphors in the parable the signified prophecy using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen spiritual understanding.

True. And when the temporal things are made to never be seen, then prophecy becomes just more lying myths and fables of man.

The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

God's words of prophecy shall surely come to pass. Which means even as written, and not as symbolically surmised by unbelievers.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

The prophecy of His coming to earth is sure the first and second time, and not a cunning fable made by man without surely coming to pass on earth.

False teachers make the sure words of prophecy not so sure at all.

Such spiritualizing and symbolizing prophecy from it's sure truth, makes little children to be confused about what God says shall surely come to pass, but not really as He says.

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

They purposely corrupt and undermine abiding faith in the words of the Lord.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

 

[Ghada]

At the time of the first century reformation it destroyed Kings a pagan foundation dying mankind in Israel

The reformation gospel of Jesus Christ has converted many with a few nobles and later kings over centuries of time.

The Jews were scattered from Jeruslaem by the Romans, with Jesus' prophecied sacking of the city and temple.

Jesus said it is finished the veil was rent

True. It was rent. Even as Jesus was crucified to death. And rose again from the dead. And will stand on the earth from Jerusalem to rule all nations on the earth inherited by Him.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

This has not yet come to pass, and will only surely come to pass on the earth, beginning with all eyes seeing Him coming from above to do so.

Any so called reigning with Christ today from the air, is only sure in the vain imaginations of sinful men.

We walk by faith Christ's working in us to both reveal his will and raise us up to do it to his good pleasure

True. Unmixed with sinful works of the flesh.

Unrepented sinners reveal their own will and religion, as that of Christ, but not in deed and in truth.

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Satan fell he could no longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings

You also don't believe Jesus Christ is God in heaven, and was God in the flesh?

 

[Ghada]

. he will be loosed to again try and deceive mankind God is a Jewish man as King of kings .

Satan is not bound in hell. He is the prince and power of the air, that decieves by many antichrists today, such as any created-christ, and will decieve most of all when his last greatest anitchrist comes to appear as Christ coming again in the flesh.

He'll also give that last antichrist beast of his the power from the air he now has, to make fire come down from heaven in the sight of men.

His goal trying make Jewish Peter King of kings

No. Not another Peter wannabe pope. But a Jewish false christ come in his own name. The greatest last antichrist will be a Christ wannabee.

P.s. Satan's goal is also making Paul a double hearted sinner for life, and even the worst of sinners on earth. That one has more faithful attraction to self-justifying unrepented sinners today, than any pope ever on earth.

Kings in Israel a pagan foundation . . out of sight out of mind "no faith" of Christ as it is written .the King of kings

No. It was a demand of Israel, that dishonored the God of Israel. But nevertheless was made a kingship by the Lord, that he blessed with kings after His own heart, though of course not all.

 

[Mr GLee]

Satan is not bound in hell. He is the prince and power of the air, that decieves by many antichrists today, such as any created-christ, and will decieve most of all when his last greatest anitchrist comes to appear as Christ coming again in the flesh.

He'll also give that last antichrist beast of his the power from the air he now has, to make fire come down from heaven in the sight of men.




No. Not another Peter wannabe pope. But a Jewish false christ come in his own name. The greatest last antichrist will be a Christ wannabee.

P.s. Satan's goal is also making Paul a double hearted sinner for life, and even the worst of sinners on earth. That one has more faithful attraction to self-justifying unrepented sinners today, than any pope ever on earth.

No. It was a demand of Israel, that dishonored the God of Israel. But nevertheless was made a kingship by the Lord, that he blessed with kings after His own heart, though of course not all.

The antichrists' are the false apostles sent with false prophecy. There were many then just as the are today

The faithless atheist Jew demanded a KIng like all the pagan nations of the world rather than a led by a invisible God as King

Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation The proper government was restored during the first century reformation back to Judges true apostle sent with prophecy.

!Samuel 8 :7-14 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves God together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.