The 1000 year Millennium from the Bible

[TMSO]

That's program 2: Israel as a race-nation. If you meant the Jerusalem above of Gal 4 or Heb 12, please let us know. Did you mean its enemies will be destroyed--sin, death, Satan? I hope so, but I can't tell, because 2 programs are very confusing.

So, the Old Testament didn't happen? Jeremiah 31 spoken as "Thus saith the Lord" is a lie? Israel is a race nation, however, Paul clearly stated that not all who are of Israel (race nation) are of Israel (spiritual Israel). For the circumcision that matters is not of the body (as with race-nation Israel), but of the heart (spiritual Israel). Physical circumcision marked those of the race nation of Israel. Where God placed His name. The stiff-necked people who refused to listen, and rejected God. But there were those of the race-nation of Israel who took circumcision to heart (so to speak) and as such, were part of the true Israel of God.

The enemies of Israel will be destroyed. Physical enemies. Prophecy is clear about the coming of the Messiah. Zechariah 12 is very clear. However, again, I believe that when all is said and done, those of Israel who are still alive after all the violence and killing of those days, will be the elect, saved by the grace of God. The remnant of Israel. The reason why God shortened the days of the tribulation. So they would not die. As Zechariah 12 shows, the salvation comes after. So if they died in the violence and bloodshed, they aren't saved. Hence God, for the sake of the elect, shortened the days so they wouldn't die... unsaved. I get that from a straight reading of Zechariah 12. God doesn't send the Spirit of grace and pleading until after the battle is over.

 

[EarlyActs]

So, the Old Testament didn't happen? Jeremiah 31 spoken as "Thus saith the Lord" is a lie? Israel is a race nation, however, Paul clearly stated that not all who are of Israel (race nation) are of Israel (spiritual Israel). For the circumcision that matters is not of the body (as with race-nation Israel), but of the heart (spiritual Israel). Physical circumcision marked those of the race nation of Israel. Where God placed His name. The stiff-necked people who refused to listen, and rejected God. But there were those of the race-nation of Israel who took circumcision to heart (so to speak) and as such, were part of the true Israel of God.

The enemies of Israel will be destroyed. Physical enemies. Prophecy is clear about the coming of the Messiah. Zechariah 12 is very clear. However, again, I believe that when all is said and done, those of Israel who are still alive after all the violence and killing of those days, will be the elect, saved by the grace of God. The remnant of Israel. The reason why God shortened the days of the tribulation. So they would not die. As Zechariah 12 shows, the salvation comes after. So if they died in the violence and bloodshed, they aren't saved. Hence God, for the sake of the elect, shortened the days so they wouldn't die... unsaved. I get that from a straight reading of Zechariah 12. God doesn't send the Spirit of grace and pleading until after the battle is over.

You just don’t know your way and you’re rhetoricals are hysterical.

Only the faith-based remnant matters. See Rom 9, 11; that is illustrated prob 10x. Not the race-nation. That is 2 programs and you are in denial that you support both.

“My kingdom is not an earthly kind” means your nonsense about Israel’s physical enemies has no place in NT theology,

 

[Mr GLee]

Abel wasn't a martyr. He was killed/murdered by Cain. He was not Jewish, as Jews are of the seed of Abraham.

Abel the prophet was murdered for bringing the gospel. it was from that beginning the father of lies as a serial murderer .

He gave words to Cain (I don't know where he is )?

Cain buried him under the corn to set up the pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" .As in who believes in God not seen?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

 

[Mr GLee]

Abel wasn't a martyr. He was killed/murdered by Cain. He was not Jewish, as Jews are of the seed of Abraham.

That seed is Christ same seed in all born again believers. Not the many fleshly seeds of dying mankind

Abel the prophet was murdered for bringing the gospel. It was from that very beginning that the father of lies began his murderous campaign against the Holy Spirit.

Ezekiel 16:3And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

They became enemies of Christ.

Ezekiel 16:45 Thou art thy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children: your mother was an Hittite, and your father an Amorite

Abel was not a Jew neither was born again Rehab.

 

[Mr GLee]

? Do you have a reference for that.

Reference that Abram's father. He was a Amorite and mother a Hittite before his name was changed to represent all the nations of the world.

 

[Mr GLee]

This is how the earth will be during the 1000 years as Satan has no one to deceive in the desolated wasteland, completely empty during the millennium.

Has no one to deceive?

The accuser of the brethren accuses born again believers day and night .

The thousand year according to the signified understanding of parables is a unknown. No signs to wonder after was given .

The Amil position works the best.

Revelation 1 King James Version1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[EarlyActs]

Now there are many false and mistaken beliefs on the millennium and the most prevalent is the idea of a political kingdom and rule of the Jews or the church over the nations which in effect renders the second coming of Jesus a non-event or denies He takes the saints to heaven. It basically says that after the Second Coming, no one goes to heaven, and life here on earth will continue as we know it, with all the sin and iniquity continued, but with a 'righteous rule' under the direction of Jesus. But thats not what the Bible says happens during the 1000 years, as this would lead to the very 'false christs' that Jesus warned about..

It is during the Millennium that Christ will fulfill His promise to give the overcomers 'power over the nations'.
Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Those whom Christ raises in the first resurrection will reign with Him for a thousand years, and notice Daniel says almost the same as Revelation 20:4.
Daniel 7:22
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

But in what sense can the saints be said to reign if they are in heaven and all the wicked are dead? Their reign will consist of involvement in an important phase of Christ's governing. This is the time of the judgment of Satan and his angels which scripture shows us.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Gods Word tells us that the saints would judge the world and even the angels that sinned, will come to pass.
1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

So for the 1000 years, the books of all the wicked dead are open and available to the righteous, that they may be reviewed and judged. At the Second Coming of Christ, the decision as to who would constitute the redeemed and who the wicked has already been made so the saints look and give a judgement that God is just. They look at every case during the thousand years, and God's judgment will be declared righteous. So the books are for the saints to go over, but this Millennial judgment does not decide who is to be saved or lost as God makes that decision before the Second Coming, all those who were not either resurrected or translated at that point, are forever lost.

But what does scripture say of the earth during this time during the 1000 years, what is there, besides Satan and his angels and utter desolation? We see some of it in Isaiah:

Isaiah 24:1-3, 20-21
1 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.......
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

This is how the earth will be during the 1000 years as Satan has no one to deceive in the desolated wasteland, completely empty during the millennium.

How are you sure that is the "millenium"?

 

[EarlyActs]

Now there are many false and mistaken beliefs on the millennium and the most prevalent is the idea of a political kingdom and rule of the Jews or the church over the nations which in effect renders the second coming of Jesus a non-event or denies He takes the saints to heaven. It basically says that after the Second Coming, no one goes to heaven, and life here on earth will continue as we know it, with all the sin and iniquity continued, but with a 'righteous rule' under the direction of Jesus. But thats not what the Bible says happens during the 1000 years, as this would lead to the very 'false christs' that Jesus warned about..

It is during the Millennium that Christ will fulfill His promise to give the overcomers 'power over the nations'.
Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Those whom Christ raises in the first resurrection will reign with Him for a thousand years, and notice Daniel says almost the same as Revelation 20:4.
Daniel 7:22
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

But in what sense can the saints be said to reign if they are in heaven and all the wicked are dead? Their reign will consist of involvement in an important phase of Christ's governing. This is the time of the judgment of Satan and his angels which scripture shows us.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Gods Word tells us that the saints would judge the world and even the angels that sinned, will come to pass.
1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

So for the 1000 years, the books of all the wicked dead are open and available to the righteous, that they may be reviewed and judged. At the Second Coming of Christ, the decision as to who would constitute the redeemed and who the wicked has already been made so the saints look and give a judgement that God is just. They look at every case during the thousand years, and God's judgment will be declared righteous. So the books are for the saints to go over, but this Millennial judgment does not decide who is to be saved or lost as God makes that decision before the Second Coming, all those who were not either resurrected or translated at that point, are forever lost.

But what does scripture say of the earth during this time during the 1000 years, what is there, besides Satan and his angels and utter desolation? We see some of it in Isaiah:

Isaiah 24:1-3, 20-21
1 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.......
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

This is how the earth will be during the 1000 years as Satan has no one to deceive in the desolated wasteland, completely empty during the millennium.

Why would Jesus give very serious direct warnings about things to do in Judea...to people X000 years in the future?

 

[EarlyActs]

Now there are many false and mistaken beliefs on the millennium and the most prevalent is the idea of a political kingdom and rule of the Jews or the church over the nations which in effect renders the second coming of Jesus a non-event or denies He takes the saints to heaven. It basically says that after the Second Coming, no one goes to heaven, and life here on earth will continue as we know it, with all the sin and iniquity continued, but with a 'righteous rule' under the direction of Jesus. But thats not what the Bible says happens during the 1000 years, as this would lead to the very 'false christs' that Jesus warned about..

It is during the Millennium that Christ will fulfill His promise to give the overcomers 'power over the nations'.
Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Those whom Christ raises in the first resurrection will reign with Him for a thousand years, and notice Daniel says almost the same as Revelation 20:4.
Daniel 7:22
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

But in what sense can the saints be said to reign if they are in heaven and all the wicked are dead? Their reign will consist of involvement in an important phase of Christ's governing. This is the time of the judgment of Satan and his angels which scripture shows us.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Gods Word tells us that the saints would judge the world and even the angels that sinned, will come to pass.
1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

So for the 1000 years, the books of all the wicked dead are open and available to the righteous, that they may be reviewed and judged. At the Second Coming of Christ, the decision as to who would constitute the redeemed and who the wicked has already been made so the saints look and give a judgement that God is just. They look at every case during the thousand years, and God's judgment will be declared righteous. So the books are for the saints to go over, but this Millennial judgment does not decide who is to be saved or lost as God makes that decision before the Second Coming, all those who were not either resurrected or translated at that point, are forever lost.

But what does scripture say of the earth during this time during the 1000 years, what is there, besides Satan and his angels and utter desolation? We see some of it in Isaiah:

Isaiah 24:1-3, 20-21
1 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.......
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

This is how the earth will be during the 1000 years as Satan has no one to deceive in the desolated wasteland, completely empty during the millennium.

2 P 2 does not tell us a description of the "millenium" but of past "pre-historic" events.

 

[EarlyActs]

Now there are many false and mistaken beliefs on the millennium and the most prevalent is the idea of a political kingdom and rule of the Jews or the church over the nations which in effect renders the second coming of Jesus a non-event or denies He takes the saints to heaven. It basically says that after the Second Coming, no one goes to heaven, and life here on earth will continue as we know it, with all the sin and iniquity continued, but with a 'righteous rule' under the direction of Jesus. But thats not what the Bible says happens during the 1000 years, as this would lead to the very 'false christs' that Jesus warned about..

It is during the Millennium that Christ will fulfill His promise to give the overcomers 'power over the nations'.
Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Those whom Christ raises in the first resurrection will reign with Him for a thousand years, and notice Daniel says almost the same as Revelation 20:4.
Daniel 7:22
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

But in what sense can the saints be said to reign if they are in heaven and all the wicked are dead? Their reign will consist of involvement in an important phase of Christ's governing. This is the time of the judgment of Satan and his angels which scripture shows us.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Gods Word tells us that the saints would judge the world and even the angels that sinned, will come to pass.
1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

So for the 1000 years, the books of all the wicked dead are open and available to the righteous, that they may be reviewed and judged. At the Second Coming of Christ, the decision as to who would constitute the redeemed and who the wicked has already been made so the saints look and give a judgement that God is just. They look at every case during the thousand years, and God's judgment will be declared righteous. So the books are for the saints to go over, but this Millennial judgment does not decide who is to be saved or lost as God makes that decision before the Second Coming, all those who were not either resurrected or translated at that point, are forever lost.

But what does scripture say of the earth during this time during the 1000 years, what is there, besides Satan and his angels and utter desolation? We see some of it in Isaiah:

Isaiah 24:1-3, 20-21
1 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.......
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

This is how the earth will be during the 1000 years as Satan has no one to deceive in the desolated wasteland, completely empty during the millennium.

The NT actually does not have much detail about the final day of judgement. Thess, I Cor 15, Heb 9, 2 P 3 are all rather quick and without much detail. If you adjust your segments forward, the long reign of Christ began when he was enthroned (Acts 2-4, Heb 1, Phil 2, Rom 1, Eph 1). At the end of this troubled kingdom, God vanquishes all his enemies. Christ is supposed to be honored now (Ps 2) but people just don't! But that end of earthly evil is quick and the NHNE are in its place.

 

[EarlyActs]

Jesus tells us the place to which He will take His followers as 'My Father's house', where there 'are many mansions,' or dwelling places. Here Jesus refers to the New Jerusalem, which does not come to this earth until the end of the 1000 years of the millennium. At the Second Coming, when the righteous "meet the Lord in the air," their destination is heaven, not the earth that they have just left. Christ does not establish His kingdom on the earth at this time, He does that at the end of the millennium.

So we look closer at those wicked slain on earth and scripture says, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." in verse 5 of Revelation 20. The unrighteous wicked are dead, and then we see, "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth" in verse 7 and 8 of Revelation 20.. So now Satan has people again that he can deceive, as it is obvious these are the unrighteous wicked dead, resurrected after the 1000 years ends.

So the wicked dead are raised to life upon the earth after the 1000 years, this is what leads to the second death at the lake of fire, as the wicked again follow Satan. And we see something else happens here, before the resurrection of the wicked dead after the 1000 years:

Revelation 21:1-3
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

We see that the city descends in Revelation 21. It has to descend before it can be surrounded in Revelation 20:7-10. The order of Revelation is not chronological but goes back to describe more events happening. Christ descends to earth again, with the saints and the New Jerusalem, for two purposes. He will end the great controversy by executing the decisions of the millennial judgment, and He will purify and renew the earth so that He can establish on it His eternal kingdom. So who is with Jesus at the close of the 1000 years, well we see something in Jude 1 that tells us..

Jude 1:14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

So the saints will return with Jesus, after they have gone over the books for a thousand years, and have found Gods judgement to be just. So how does it come to a close, lets continue in what is shown.

Revelation 20
King James Version (KJV)
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Satan will now have all the wicked and will deceive the nations again. And they will all fall and be deceived and gathered around the holy city where the saints and angels are with Christ. The final judgement must be executed, and they suffer the second and final death as the fire comes down from God and devours them.

The terminology of 2P3 is so complete that I doubt you can call it a purification. And it is called a NHNE, a replacement. And we are not even sure of the level of corporeality: there is no marriage, God is the light and the Lamb is the temple. It's a holy new world.

 

[EarlyActs]

Jesus tells us the place to which He will take His followers as 'My Father's house', where there 'are many mansions,' or dwelling places. Here Jesus refers to the New Jerusalem, which does not come to this earth until the end of the 1000 years of the millennium. At the Second Coming, when the righteous "meet the Lord in the air," their destination is heaven, not the earth that they have just left. Christ does not establish His kingdom on the earth at this time, He does that at the end of the millennium.

So we look closer at those wicked slain on earth and scripture says, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." in verse 5 of Revelation 20. The unrighteous wicked are dead, and then we see, "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth" in verse 7 and 8 of Revelation 20.. So now Satan has people again that he can deceive, as it is obvious these are the unrighteous wicked dead, resurrected after the 1000 years ends.

So the wicked dead are raised to life upon the earth after the 1000 years, this is what leads to the second death at the lake of fire, as the wicked again follow Satan. And we see something else happens here, before the resurrection of the wicked dead after the 1000 years:

Revelation 21:1-3
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

We see that the city descends in Revelation 21. It has to descend before it can be surrounded in Revelation 20:7-10. The order of Revelation is not chronological but goes back to describe more events happening. Christ descends to earth again, with the saints and the New Jerusalem, for two purposes. He will end the great controversy by executing the decisions of the millennial judgment, and He will purify and renew the earth so that He can establish on it His eternal kingdom. So who is with Jesus at the close of the 1000 years, well we see something in Jude 1 that tells us..

Jude 1:14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

So the saints will return with Jesus, after they have gone over the books for a thousand years, and have found Gods judgement to be just. So how does it come to a close, lets continue in what is shown.

Revelation 20
King James Version (KJV)
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Satan will now have all the wicked and will deceive the nations again. And they will all fall and be deceived and gathered around the holy city where the saints and angels are with Christ. The final judgement must be executed, and they suffer the second and final death as the fire comes down from God and devours them.

I doubt if this here-vs- there locating of people at different times matters much. Too much hinges on the fragile support of the millenium as an answer, which is not mentioned in any normal-language (non-symbolic) letters of the NT. We are with Him in the air is not like that at all.

The NT sees a very intense historical series of events in its generation (Mt24A, to v29),
which is followed by an unspecified delay,
which is followed by the final day of world wide judgement (Mt24B) and the NHNE. To be with Him in the air is as specific as it gets.

 

[EarlyActs]

At the close of the Millennium or the 1000 years in heaven, Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The wicked dead will then be resurrected and face the final judgement, along with Satan and his angels at the Lake of Fire which will consume them and cleanse the earth of sin forever.

As Christians we know that Jesus is preparing a place in heaven for us, all Christians should agree on that, and He will come again at the Second Coming and take the saints to heaven. A few days before His death, Jesus told His disciples what He was going to do before coming back at the Second Coming:
John 14:1-3
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

So how will He come, does the scripture tells us? 40 days after His resurrection, Jesus led His disciples to a clearing and a cloud of angels came and Jesus was raised up into the cloud as we see in Acts 1.

Acts 1:6-11
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus ascended literally, bodily, in full view of His disciples and followers. As they watched Him go up, two angels appeared and said He would come back "in like manner" as He went up. Thus Christ's Second Coming will be literal, bodily, and visible to normal human eyes. Paul told the early believers to keep looking for the visible return of Jesus.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

There will be nothing secret about His return. Jesus told them plainly how it would be, and the Second Coming will be incredible.
Matthew 24:25-27
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

But Jesus also warned that false messiahs bring false hope would try to fool them:
Matthew 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many

But Christ Second Coming cannot fool the faithful who read His word as they are told clearly what they will see and there is nothing secret about it and how Christ will come. Christ's return will be loud and visible to the eyes of "all the tribes of the earth." When He comes and the heavenly trumpet sounds and the billions of angels come in a great cloud, no one will wake up the next day wondering what happened.

Revelation 1:7
'Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all peoples on earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.'

Matthew 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Scripture tells us that at the Second Coming, Christ comes with his angels and resurrects the saints and they rise up to the cloud of angels and Christ takes His saints to heaven and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. Satan is left to wander the earth alone during the Millennium, as at the coming of Christ the wicked are slain and the earth is left empty and desolate for the 1,000 years and we see it in Revelation 20.

Revelation 20:1-3
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

During the millennium, the thousand-year period of which Revelation 20 shows us, Satan's will be bound or his influence over the earth will be restricted, and Christ will reign with His saints in heaven.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So lets look at what is happening in heaven during those thousand years with Christ..

Slow down here buddy: “Satan wanders the earth alone but the evil are brought together to fight against God at the end”. Besides this not being a panacea do you see other incoherencies?

 

[EarlyActs]

Now lets look closer to definition of the bottomless pit into which Satan was cast during the thousand years he was bound. The definition of which, will reveal that the lost are dead during this thousand year period. Let us look at some scriptures to see what a bottomless pit might represent.

Job 17:13-16
13 If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness. 14 I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister. 15 And where is now my hope? as for my hope, who shall see it? 16 They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest together is in the dust.

Psalm 30:3
3 O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

Proverbs 1:11-12
11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:
12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:

Isaiah 38:17-18
17 Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back. 18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

Jeremiah 41:7
7 And it was so, when they came into the midst of the city, that Ishmael the son of Nethaniah slew them, and cast them into the midst of the pit, he, and the men that were with him.

In the bible, a pit is very often associated with the grave, or a place to put the dead. A bottomless pit then, would undoubtedly represent an enormous grave, filled with countless people. If the bible then, tells us that all the lost will be slain when Christ returns the second time, which it does, then this world would be one massive grave. The dead bodies of countless millions strewn all over it, and the Bible says, where Satan is bound for this thousand years. While the saved are in heaven going over the book of life, he is here with nothing but the dead. Thus Satan can no longer deceive the nations during this thousand years, for there are no nations, or peoples to deceive.

So the millennium, which most people think of as a golden age of Judaic bliss , where the temple and kingdom are finally as they should be under Christ—is actually a barren vacuum?

 

[EarlyActs]

Here is how the future kingdom would have sounded in Acts 2-5:





Acts 2-5 and Paul





1, 3:21's 'everything.' We cannot automatically assume this is Judaistic. My 'literal' friends know there are other things out there than those which pertain to Israel. So 'everything' is more than that.

2, the warning of ch 3 is quite stern that dismissal of the Christ cuts you off from the promise (there is hardly a stronger term in the original). Which immediately raises the question, why is there a by-pass to such a stern warning? Is Peter now saying two opposite things, just as many people think Christ is, when they make the millenial leap now and again?

3, Notice what is important about the covenant with Abraham: it is how the nations are blessed. Wouldn't we expect a healthy helping of reference to the land of Judea itself?

4, Now, as for the blessing, its maybe not so much what we or they thought. The blessing (v26) is to be turned away from wickedness. What evil would that be? It would be the demeaning of the Christ event that just occurred. Israel gets blessed by blessing the nations with the Gospel message. It is quite clear. It is pretty much the appeal to Israel all through Acts and Romans. Paul is pretty much the model God imagined for all Israel. But wait, there's a problem.

5, ch.4:2. (Please ignore chapter divisions, English horse riding has come a long ways since Wesley but back then, he bumped around a lot). Someone is disturbed! Whatever Peter is saying about Israel is disturbing...its very leaders. Now come on, how can this be? Peter just promised them the millenium or world dominance or a huge expansion of Judea to Solomon's proportions or something right? But they are upset. Why? Well, the answer is the new mission. If you reject Christ, at that time, you also reject his mission. This is huge. This is so huge that there will be a major rift in the early church, and it will consist of Judaizers who don't want this mission to succeed! So of course, we now are ready to hear Peter address this right? Isn't Peter going to stand up and tell everyone to calm down, and show them that the Judaistic promises are coming...later...a few thousand years...nothing major? Isn't this just ahead in the text, just a few verses away?

6, Peter "blows" it. No, instead there is a fascinating phrase. Peter proclaims that in Jesus has has been the resurrection of the dead (plural). Amazing! Wait! Wasn't it supposed to be the restored Judean/Davidic kingdom, huh? What's this plural resurrection stuff? Well, for one thing it is that justification from sins is now available. The proof is the resurrection, as we know from Paul saying the same thing in Acts 13 in a synagogue to his brothers. That means all who believe have the resurrection, because what Christ did was for all of us, an offer only a fool would reject. But it is even more news-worthy than that for down-to-earth reasons. When Jesus said "It is finished" an amazing thing happened in Jerusalem: an earthquake as many deceased believers came to life and appeared to many people. Scary enough to make a centurion wet his pants and declare that Jesus was the Son of God! And Peter is talking about their resurrection as well, dependent as it was on Christ's work. Once again there is the reminder to Israel's leaders that this salvation is for all nations under heaven (4:12). But we still have no soothing words about the kingdom per se.
The heat goes to boil in ch. 5 and another appearance before Judaism's tribunal. Peter again explains what is being given, right then and there, to Israel: repentance and forgiveness of sins. If any one thought the tribunal was going to be thrilled to hear a message about the restored kingdom, something went wrong, because the next line is that that Peter and his pal would be put to death. This merely led to the daily proclamation that Jesus was the Messiah in the temple courts. For days (or, as my literalist friends might say 'they never stopped') they did this. They just never happened to saying anything about a kingdom for Judaism. Even Paul in Acts 26, with his neck on the line, never manages to say to the same authorities: "this mission thing is only for a few thousand years; now chill!"

 

[TMSO]

You just don’t know your way and you’re rhetoricals are hysterical.

Only the faith-based remnant matters. See Rom 9, 11; that is illustrated prob 10x. Not the race-nation. That is 2 programs and you are in denial that you support both.

“My kingdom is not an earthly kind” means your nonsense about Israel’s physical enemies has no place in NT theology,

Could you give a reference for "My kingdom is not an earthly kind" that explains why God doesn't have to fulfill His oaths to David? Does not have to fulfill Psalm 110? The millennial kingdom will be in Israel, however, only the remnant is there, because those who were only of the race-nation die during the tribulation. Only the remnant is left. As Zechariah 12 says, all the families that are left mourn by themselves. They come from the tribes, but the whole section is summed up in those words. The families that are left.

"11 On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be great, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the [i]plain of [j]Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that are left, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves."

13 1“On that day a fountain will be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for defilement."

 

[TMSO]

Abel the prophet was murdered for bringing the gospel. it was from that beginning the father of lies as a serial murderer .

He gave words to Cain (I don't know where he is )?

Cain buried him under the corn to set up the pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" .As in who believes in God not seen?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

Don't read into it. Abel was not a prophet, and did not bring the gospel. (What gospel?) He was one who pleased God. Cain's sacrifice did not please God. The word used for what Cain did was not murder.

The word used was harag, and means: 1. a. kill, slay, implying ruthless violence, especially private violence
The word used for murder is ratsach and means murder, slay, with premeditation

The connotation appears to be that Cain beat Abel and he died, but there was no premeditation to murder.

Any reference that states where Cain buried Abel, and that it sets up a pagan foundation?

 

[Mr GLee]

Don't read into it. Abel was not a prophet, and did not bring the gospel. (What gospel?) He was one who pleased God. Cain's sacrifice did not please God. The word used for what Cain did was not murder.

The word used was harag, and means: 1. a. kill, slay, implying ruthless violence, especially private violence
The word used for murder is ratsach and means murder, slay, with premeditation

The connotation appears to be that Cain beat Abel and he died, but there was no premeditation to murder.

Any reference that states where Cain buried Abel, and that it sets up a pagan foundation

Why would you leave born again Abel out of the gospel? The first martyr, also the first of the second born doctrine to represent born again sons of God used in the genealogy of Christ Luke 3. Abel the second born was replaced with Seth.

Luke 3: 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Sons of God born again believers.

Matthew 23:34-36 King James Version Wherefore, behold, I send (apostle ) unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Yes premeditation.No defence lawyer could defend it.

It was no accident. The the Father of lies spoke a lie into the mind of Cain . Satan the serial murderer from that beginning .It set up the pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" .As in who believes in a God not seen? Certainly not Cain the fool .

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Cain when asked where his brother he knew where he was, he plowed him under the corn field.

Genesis 4: 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

 

[TMSO]

Why would you leave born again Abel out of the gospel? The first martyr, also the first of the second born doctrine to represent born again sons of God used in the genealogy of Christ Luke 3. Abel the second born was replaced with Seth.

Luke 3: 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Yes, born of God. Adam. You understand that when a mother loses a son, the next is a replacement to them, right? Adam was created by God, so of course Adam was the son of God. Adam was not born.

Sons of God born again believers.

In this case no. Luke was speaking to Adam as the first. Who came before Adam? No one, except GOd.

Matthew 23:34-36 King James Version Wherefore, behold, I send (apostle ) unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Abel was crucified? Scourged in a Synygogue? Read "All the righteous blood shed upon the earth..." In other words, Abel was killed but was not guilty of anything.

Yes premeditation.No defence lawyer could defend it.

A linguist can shrug it off.

It was no accident. The the Father of lies spoke a lie into the mind of Cain . Satan the serial murderer from that beginning .It set up the pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind" .As in who believes in a God not seen? Certainly not Cain the fool .

Then why didn't the author of Genesis, the same author of Exodus, use the word for murder? The word that speaks to premeditation. The word used in Genesis does not speak to premeditation.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Cain when asked where his brother he knew where he was, he plowed him under the corn field.

And Adam, when God came looking for him hid. And there is no rationale in scripture to say that he plowed Cain under the field of a type of food that did not exist back then.

Genesis 4: 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

"10 Then He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying out to Me from the ground. "
Where is the corn field?

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes, born of God. Adam. You understand that when a mother loses a son, the next is a replacement to them, right? Adam was created by God, so of course Adam was the son of God. Adam was not born.

I would offer.

Mankind is not eternal. Adam was born into this world by Christ the spiritual seed. Then covered with flesh the father breathed into him giving birth to mankind. Jesus said a man must be born again from above, marvel not, but rather believe while a person can. Satan is quick to try and snatch the seed. (Christ in us)

The second born doctrine is used to represent those born again.

It would seem to be the purpose of the loving warning not to be unevenly yoked.,In Genesi 6 believers as sons of God were causing a division from the commandment not to be unevenly yoked with daughters or sons of men (un-converted mankind ) giving God a bad name .

Not to be unevenly yoked, the reason it would seem he brought the flood and a rainbow for sign of peace of God surpases our understanding .
Water (rain,dew showers any form of H20 is used to represent inspiration coming down causing growth previously from the ground up . representing two forms of inspiration earthly of the devil or heavenly inspired of our Holy Father.

Genesis 2:5-7King James Version And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It would seem God no longer shared his glory with the temporal things seen, dying mankind .It would seem to make age of longevity drop also .

Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

The second born (born again ) It began with Abel, Cain having no interest in birth rites as the unseen things of God. The rest of the genealogy of the spiritual seed "Christ" (born again) is given in Luke tracing the second born doctrine beginning with Abel the martyr passed on to Seth . Esau also put not value in the unseen eternal things of God he sold his birthright' for cup of hariy goat soup. Onnan choses death rather than pass on the born again seed. In the end representing the first born again of God. . Jesus, the Son of man who became the first born of many sons of God .

Luke 3:23-24 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

Luke 3:34-37 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.