Trinity: The Divinity of Jesus

[Mr GLee]

Try Lk 10:16, "He who hears you (6 times), hears me."

God makes his truth clear to those who have eyes to see, those without such eyes will not see. . .that's how he separates the sheep (with eyes which can see) from the goats (with eyes which cannot see).

Yes, whosoever hears the prophetic living words of the Father, Christ.that can work in us through the mouth of apostle, hears God. Not the apostle, sent ones, The ones with beautiful feet.

In that way Christ is not served by the feet of the apostles creatures. He washes their feet with the gospel

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

 

[Viking123]

Persons are not "its."

The name of the third person of the Triune God is Holy Spirit.
Have you ever read the NT?

Holy spirit is a title, not a name. Just as God is a title for (Jehovah) and Lord is a title for (Jesus).

 

[Eleanor]

Holy spirit is a title, not a name. Just as God is a title for (Jehovah) and Lord is a title for (Jesus).

Who made that rule?

"Mother" is a title, not a name.

Grasping at straws?

 

[Viking123]

Who made that rule?

"Mother" is a title, not a name.

Grasping at straws?

Yes Mother is a title not a name. My Moms name was Carrie, i called he Mom, her friends called her Carrie.

 

[David Lamb]

Thanks, Brother David

I am still searching for the first time he said those words verbatim. . . "Jesus the Son of man is the Christ" (Father)

The Father Christ worked in Jesus the Son of man just as His Holy Spirit works in us.. . . . as it is written

Not by our dying will Father but you the living the will with gospel power.

I hope you believe that the bible is God's inspired word. Six times in that inspired word, we have the words, "Jesus is the Christ." Jesus called Himself the Son of man, and also said that God is His Father, and more, that He and His Father are one. So the bible does indeed teach that Jesus, Who called Himself "the Son of man," is the Christ.

 

[Mr GLee]

I hope you believe that the bible is God's inspired word. Six times in that inspired word, we have the words, "Jesus is the Christ." Jesus called Himself the Son of man, and also said that God is His Father, and more, that He and His Father are one. So the bible does indeed teach that Jesus, Who called Himself "the Son of man," is the Christ.

Hi Dave. Thanks

God is not a man as us and neither is there any infallible fleshly umpire set between God not seen and dying mankind seen

Again, you are adding the two words "is the"

Christ the Holy Spirit our husband works in his bride the church. As son of God which we are not what we will be when we receive the promised new incorruptible body is not revealed. We do know what they will be neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile.

What Jesus the Son of man our brother in the Lord looked like will never be known. it makes no difference

Jesus, the Son of man like Mary or any saint will not be part of the new incorruptible body their flesh and bones have long ago returned to dust .

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave. Thanks

God is not a man as us and neither is there any infallible fleshly umpire set between God not seen and dying mankind seen

Again, you are adding the two words "is the"

Christ the Holy Spirit our husband works in his bride the church. As son of God which we are not what we will be when we receive the promised new incorruptible body is not revealed. We do know what they will be neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile.

What Jesus the Son of man our brother in the Lord looked like will never be known. it makes no difference

Jesus, the Son of man like Mary or any saint will not be part of the new incorruptible body their flesh and bones have long ago returned to dust .

I was not adding anything. Just take one of the six verses I quoted:

“When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ.” (Ac 18:5 NKJV)

It wouldn't make sense to miss out "is the". "and testified to the Jews that Jesus Christ.” doesn't make any sense in English.

I don't know why you mentioned the Saviour's appearance, what He looked like. As you say, we don't know, and it makes no difference., and anyway, I have not mentioned His physical appearance.

I don't agree that the body of Jesus Christ "long ago returned to the dust." He rose from the dead:

“But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. "He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.” (Mt 28:5-6 NKJV)

 

[Eleanor]

Yes Mother is a title not a name. My Moms name was Carrie, i called he Mom, her friends called her Carrie.

And I know those who call their mother by the name "Mother," but they don't call their sister by the name "Sister."

 

[Mr GLee]

I was not adding anything. Just take one of the six verses I quoted:

“When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ.” (Ac 18:5 NKJV)

It wouldn't make sense to miss out "is the". "and testified to the Jews that Jesus Christ.” doesn't make any sense in English.

I don't know why you mentioned the Saviour's appearance, what He looked like. As you say, we don't know, and it makes no difference., and anyway, I have not mentioned His physical appearance.

I don't agree that the body of Jesus Christ "long ago returned to the dust." He rose from the dead:

“But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. "He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.” (Mt 28:5-6 NKJV)

Hi thanks for the reply

yes not one verse said Jesus the Son of man dying mankind is the Christ.

Having the Holy Spirit that works in creature is not being the Holy Spirit Christ

God is not a man (creation) He is the invisible ."Let there be" Faithful Creator

If we have no need to know what he looks like, then how will some recognize him as some say he will return?

The new creation, no longer male nor female Jew nor gentile. . one chaste virgin bride the church. Christ the husband. The whole church is made up of men and woman awaiting their new body that will never die or grow old (corruption)

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

a chaste virgin to Christ not a chaste virgin to the Son of man Jesus. A member of the bride

It's just like with the Catholics they hope there is no change in the Queen mother they call Mary named after of blessed sister in the Lord. And the bodies have not returned to dust .The recipe for reincarnation .

God is not a Jewish man dying mankind as King of kings Lord of lords . Satan tried to establish that with Peter in Mathew 16.

Why are you set on making God into a Man? What's the hope in that?

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ (the Holy Spirit of Christ that worked in the Son of man ) after the (dying) flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (Son of man Jesus) no more.

You can never make Jesus the Son of man our brother in the Lord, the Father Christ

Many knew Christ whose Spirit works in Jesus after the flesh. Jesus finished demonstrating the power of the Father two working empowered by one. The eternal invisible Father.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi thanks for the reply

yes not one verse said Jesus the Son of man dying mankind is the Christ.

Having the Holy Spirit that works in creature is not being the Holy Spirit Christ

God is not a man (creation) He is the invisible ."Let there be" Faithful Creator

If we have no need to know what he looks like, then how will some recognize him as some say he will return?

The new creation, no longer male nor female Jew nor gentile. . one chaste virgin bride the church. Christ the husband. The whole church is made up of men and woman awaiting their new body that will never die or grow old (corruption)

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

a chaste virgin to Christ not a chaste virgin to the Son of man Jesus. A member of the bride

It's just like with the Catholics they hope there is no change in the Queen mother they call Mary named after of blessed sister in the Lord. And the bodies have not returned to dust .The recipe for reincarnation .

God is not a Jewish man dying mankind as King of kings Lord of lords . Satan tried to establish that with Peter in Mathew 16.

Why are you set on making God into a Man? What's the hope in that?

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ (the Holy Spirit of Christ that worked in the Son of man ) after the (dying) flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (Son of man Jesus) no more.

You can never make Jesus the Son of man our brother in the Lord, the Father Christ

Many knew Christ whose Spirit works in Jesus after the flesh. Jesus finished demonstrating the power of the Father two working empowered by one. The eternal invisible Father.

But the verses I quoted do indeed say "Jesus is the Christ." Where do you get these ideas from about "Jesus" referring only to the Saviour's physical nature, then calling that nature "dying mankind"? Yes, Jesus Christ did doe on the cross, but Jesus Christ rose from the dead bodily:

“"let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.” (Ac 4:10 NKJV)

It just isn't biblical for you to continue claiming that Jesus died and remained in the dust.

I also don't know why you keep saying that Jesus is our brother and Christ is our father. The bible calls Jesus Christ the Son of God:

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” (Mr 1:1 NKJV)

“concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,” (Ro 1:3 NKJV)

God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

You ask how we will recognize the Saviour when He comes again. Well, the bible tells us how He will come (in the clouds, every eye seeing Him, etc.) which is enough to identify Him even though we don't have a picture of Him.

Then you ask, "Why are you set on making God into a Man?" I am am not set on making God into a man. However, I believe that God took on human flesh:

“Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.” (Heb 10:5 NKJV)

You keep saying that the Holy Spirit of Christ worked in the Son of man. Where do you read that in the bible? Jesus Christ, according to the bible, is fully God and fully Man.

 

[Mr GLee]

But the verses I quoted do indeed say "Jesus is the Christ." Where do you get these ideas from about "Jesus" referring only to the Saviour's physical nature, then calling that nature "dying mankind"? Yes, Jesus Christ did doe on the cross, but Jesus Christ rose from the dead bodily:

“"let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.” (Ac 4:10 NKJV)

It just isn't biblical for you to continue claiming that Jesus died and remained in the dust.

I also don't know why you keep saying that Jesus is our brother and Christ is our father. The bible calls Jesus Christ the Son of God:

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” (Mr 1:1 NKJV)

“concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,” (Ro 1:3 NKJV)

God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

You ask how we will recognize the Saviour when He comes again. Well, the bible tells us how He will come (in the clouds, every eye seeing Him, etc.) which is enough to identify Him even though we don't have a picture of Him.

Then you ask, "Why are you set on making God into a Man?" I am am not set on making God into a an. However, I believe that God took on human flesh:

“Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.” (Heb 10:5 NKJV)

You keep saying that the Holy Spirit of Christ worked in the Son of man. Where do you read that in the bible? Jesus Christ, according to the bible, is fully God and fully Man.

Hi David

I would offer to begin with the Savior is the "invisible Father" (Christ) not the powerless Son of man, Jesus.

The Son of man has no power living in a body of death "signified" as sinful. . .the language of parables

The saving power is always attributed to the unseen things of faith. (Christ the father the one good teaching master.)

Jesus the Son of man replied to Holy Father when the Father in the garden bruised his heel. Giving all glory to the Father (Christ)

Not as I will (no power) but as you will the only one with power to raise the dead

It's the goal of Satan to deceive all the nations of the world that God is dying Jewish mankind.

Why do you think it is necessary to worship flesh signified as sinful?

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak (powerless) through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

In that way a theophany like Melchiadek would not do. Literal dying flesh signified as sinful.

It satisfied the just demands of the invisible Father .No demands as laws come from the son of man Jesus the apostle (sent one)

He did the will of the father with delight
God as Christ is not a man.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David

I would offer to begin with the Savior is the "invisible Father" (Christ) not the powerless Son of man, Jesus.

You keep repeating this. Yet we read that He was given the name Jesus for a reason:

“"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."” (Mt 1:21 NKJV)

He certainly isn't powerless if He saves people from sins,

The Son of man has no power living in a body of death "signified" as sinful. . .the language of parables

Yet when He was on earth in His living body, He performed astounding miracles, even raising the dead.

The saving power is always attributed to the unseen things of faith. (Christ the father the one good teaching master.)

Christ is the Son, not the Father.

Jesus the Son of man replied to Holy Father when the Father in the garden bruised his heel. Giving all glory to the Father (Christ)

Not as I will (no power) but as you will the only one with power to raise the dead

It's the goal of Satan to deceive all the nations of the world that God is dying Jewish mankind.

Who is this "dying Jewish mankind?" If you mean Jesus, He died on the cross, but He rose again. Death could not hold Him. That is not Satan saying it. God's word says it:

“But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.” (Mr 16:6 NKJV)

Why do you think it is necessary to worship flesh signified as sinful?

But Jesus was without sin.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak (powerless) through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 8:23 says that God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh. You would only be correct if that verses had said, "God sent His Son in sinful flesh," but it doesn't. Elsewhere, we are told that He was tempted in all points, yet without sin:

“For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all [points] tempted as [we are, yet] without sin.” (Heb 4:15 NKJV)

In that way a theophany like Melchiadek would not do. Literal dying flesh signified as sinful.

It satisfied the just demands of the invisible Father .No demands as laws come from the son of man Jesus the apostle (sent one)

He did the will of the father with delight
God as Christ is not a man.

God the Son became Man to save sinners. And we read in Acts that Jesus ascended into heaven:

“And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."” (Ac 1:10-11 NKJV)

If as you say "Jesus" is dying mankind, how come He ascended into heaven bodily?

 

[Rella]

You keep repeating this. Yet we read that He was given the name Jesus for a reason:

“"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."” (Mt 1:21 NKJV)

We also read....in the NKJV... YOUR choice. Same book same chapter.... 23“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

He certainly isn't powerless if He saves people from sins,

Yet when He was on earth in His living body, He performed astounding miracles, even raising the dead.

Christ is the Son, not the Father.

Who is this "dying Jewish mankind?" If you mean Jesus, He died on the cross, but He rose again. Death could not hold Him. That is not Satan saying it. God's word says it:

“But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.” (Mr 16:6 NKJV)

But Jesus was without sin.

Romans 8:23 says that God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh. You would only be correct if that verses had said, "God sent His Son in sinful flesh," but it doesn't. Elsewhere, we are told that He was tempted in all points, yet without sin:

“For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all [points] tempted as [we are, yet] without sin.” (Heb 4:15 NKJV)

God the Son became Man to save sinners.

 

[David Lamb]

We also read....in the NKJV... YOUR choice. Same book same chapter.... 23“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Indeed. Wonderful name! "God with us!" Thanks.

 

[Mr GLee]

Indeed. Wonderful name! "God with us!" Thanks.

Amen not God as Christ is us. . . .dying mankind

Christ defines the us that did not go out from the real us

 

[Mr GLee]

Amen not God as Christ is us. . . .dying mankind

Christ defines the us that did not go out from the real us

Hi Thanks Eleanor

I would offer.

Remember without parables the signified tongue of Christ.

Signified thing seen the temporal dying mixed with the things of faith the unseen eternal hiding in parables the mixing recipe 2 Corinthians 4:18.

The spiritual gospel understanding from the unredeemed. . whose foundation is "out of sight out of mind" as in who believes in the invisible things of Christ's faith ??????

Without the signified tongues or language Christ our teaching master he spoke not

Luke 9. One parable that caused marveling wondering one right after the other no spiritual interpretation. A series of five each time purposely hiding the spiritual gospel understanding

On one occasion the apostles were so confused they decided to elect a new alfa Dog with Jesu with in two feet They must of thought he went off his rocker the deep end. The most misunderstood man that ever walked on water. he caused confusion because of parable even with his own family.

After the confused apostles elected a new top dog the Spirit of Christ in another parable moved Jesus to help them understand who the greatest is our father not seen he used a little child to provide the true us (not seen with the eye) that did not go out from us

On the last parable they thought Jesus the son of man was going to Jerusalem but realized hie send disciples ahead to the gentiles.

They having no faith (power) *unseen spiritual understanding . They demanded that God bring down fire and consume them to establish their.. . . "out of sight out of mind " Pagan foundation (no faith).

verse 55 Christ rebuked them and revealed what manner of spirit they were of no spiritual understanding that could pleasure the Unsen Holy Father

Luke 9:55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Parables does not destroy prophecy they enrich . . . sweeter than honey

 

[Eleanor]

Hi Thanks Eleanor
I would offer.
Remember without parables the signified tongue of Christ.
Signified thing seen the temporal dying mixed with the things of faith the unseen eternal hiding in parables the mixing recipe 2 Corinthians 4:18.
The spiritual gospel understanding from the unredeemed. . whose foundation is "out of sight out of mind" as in who believes in the invisible things of Christ's faith ??????
Without the signified tongues or language Christ our teaching master he spoke not
Luke 9. One parable that caused marveling wondering one right after the other no spiritual interpretation. A series of five each time purposely hiding the spiritual gospel understanding
On one occasion the apostles were so confused they decided to elect a new alfa Dog with Jesu with in two feet They must of thought he went off his rocker the deep end. The most misunderstood man that ever walked on water. he caused confusion because of parable even with his own family.
After the confused apostles elected a new top dog the Spirit of Christ in another parable moved Jesus to help them understand who the greatest is our father not seen he used a little child to provide the true us (not seen with the eye) that did not go out from us
On the last parable they thought Jesus the son of man was going to Jerusalem but realized hie send disciples ahead to the gentiles.
They having no faith (power) *unseen spiritual understanding . They demanded that God bring down fire and consume them to establish their.. . . "out of sight out of mind " Pagan foundation (no faith).
verse 55 Christ rebuked them and revealed what manner of spirit they were of no spiritual understanding that could pleasure the Unsen Holy Father
Luke 9:55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Parables does not destroy prophecy they enrich . . . sweeter than honey

You will have to parallel NT language on a subject if you want me to understand what you are saying.

 

[Mr GLee]

You will have to parallel NT language on a subject if you want me to understand what you are saying.

Hi Thanks

Sorry, It seems you have difficulty in rightly dividing parables the signified understnding using/mixing the temporal things seen to reveal the invisible. things of faith

What is your technique?

Hebrew 4 informs us if a person does not mix the signified temporal dying with the eternal things of faith not seen. They receive no gospel rest in the rightly dividing

Now days it seems many Christians falsely fear parables and rather look to signs to wonders after . . .out of body, having a vision, a dream as if they are where true prophecy in which God is no longer brining

looking to signs and wonders to wonder after as if true prophecy

Parables do not change the gospel they enrich like Honey.

Hebrews 44 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

The mixing formula needed to rightly divide the parables

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Rella]

Amen not God as Christ is us. . . .dying mankind

Christ defines the us that did not go out from the real us

It is not what is said.

But what you say so often is oddly worded. And this is that

 

[Mr GLee]

It is not what is said.

But what you say so often is oddly worded. And this is that

Thanks . would it sound better if I said earthen body?