Trinity: The Divinity of Jesus

[makesends]

I would offer.

To begin with God is supernatural. without nature

He remains without mother and father, without genealogy, without beginning of day or end of spirit life.

The dynamic duo. Two is the number assigned to represent God not seen has spoken. Therefore, using the son of man Jesus to outward display as a sign to all the nations displaying the power of the Father to raise the dead

The Son of man Jesus like all born again sons of God (Christians)

Why give the resurrection power of faith over to a dying earthen body?

Where would that leave the Holy Father. . . . .in Rome the Pope?

When your readers can't even follow one sentence, there is no use in adding more. Make them simple.

If you must, write an OP with an outline, from which to begin to support your thesis. Start with one post, something like this:

[1. God is supernatural, without a(?) nature​

1a) He is without mother and father, has no geneology, no beginning and no end; he is Spirit alone​

[2. (I have no idea what you are saying here.) Skinny it down, man! Even if you must, make a separate OP with the points in that paragraph alone, (but include WHY you say it)​

[3. ETC.]​

Then, perhaps at the bottom of that opening post, start the first point: [1. "The fact that God is supernatural implies that he is without nature"] Full Stop. Wait for responses and questions.

 

[David Lamb]

I wonder if he uses a translation device of some kind. . .

I do sometimes wonder whether perhaps English is not his first language.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Hi Thanks

They worshipped Christ the Holy Spirt our husband. The eternal Spirit, the one that prophesied of the birth. Not the birth. Power came from the Father Christ at the resurrection

Christ in us. Not the flesh of Son of man Jesus in us. The word has nothing to do with flesh (things seen)

You are misinterpreting the word "Christ" which speaks on the anointing or teaching work of the invisible Father .And accrediting the work of the father to the dying flesh of Jesus the Son of man who demonstrated the power of the Father

The Father warns of the legion of antichrists "another teaching authority" other than that which is written (sola scriptura) called the oral traditions of dying mankind. False prophets bringing, false prophecy oral traditions of dying mankind

1 John2:26-26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

An example. The deceiving work of the father of lies spirit the one spirit of the antichrist (another teaching authority) working in a legion antichrists (false apostles, false prophets,

Satan using Peter as a serial denier (three times). . an example of what not to do add or subtract from to the living word.

Satan goal to deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings.

Peter rebuked the Lord not seen and forbid the Son of man Jesus seen from demonstrating the power of our invisible God.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man Jesus (dying flesh) No forgiveness against the unseen Holy Father

Mathew 16:22-Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Thanks, I would offer its always about false prophecy oral traditions of mankind making sola scriptura without effect

Fellowship is woman. Vessel is fellowship.

3 holy .. 3.

The booming voice we bow is the Father. The sight is the Son, the reminder the Spirit. (Cannot tell them apart otherwise, Father is frightening, definitely do bow, can't not bow, but even still same, same, same. Same as in one)

Holy holy holy. We don't know the Father but through the Son. Booming voice Son. Sight Son. Spirit Son . All flowing from the Father. Cannot bow unseen.

Jesus allowed worship of himself in glorified form not physical. We are back in the garden, better decisions this time yes?

Singular triune.

Say: "Holy, Holy Holy Lord God Almighty"

We worship Christ glorified in the fullness of his inheritance as the Name above every other name and before whom all knees will bow. In Revelation 22:4 we see His face.

We worship God. We see His face and we glorify God by His Spirit, Rome is not here, Christ is head. The concern is the source of the filling, because we desire to be filled. It's not Rome, we are created for fellowship though and Christ is still head, we are a vessel for him, created by/for him. We can fellowship.

Mr. Glee, this is because I created a list from elsewhere. Sorry, this is how it came together.. I'm partly off topic, partly not, this is better here.

 

[Mr GLee]

I have no problem understanding the parables of the NT.

You mistakenly see your missives as biblical "parables."

Stick to Biblical terminology used in the Biblical manner if you want me to understand what you are presenting.

The word of God cannot be improved. . .your additions are only subtractions.

What are missives?

If you have no problem with parables, do you agree without, he spoke not. or sometimes he spoke parables. It's a mystery to how many?

If so, how are we to rightly divide interpret the signified tongue as prophecy, parables.

Did Christ leave instructions on how we can hear him through parables?

Most from my experience teach if the first sense makes sense no need to look any further.

 

[Mr GLee]

I do sometimes wonder whether perhaps English is not his first language.

So does my wife. LOL

The Holy Father and Son the dynamic duo

 

[David Lamb]

What are missives?

"Missive" is another word for a letter or epistle.

If you have no problem with parables, do you agree without, he spoke not. or sometimes he spoke parables. It's a mystery to how many?

Jesus sometimes spoke in parables. He sometimes spoke in straightforward speech.

If so, how are we to rightly divide interpret the signified tongue as prophecy, parables.

What does "the signified tongue" mean?

Did Christ leave instructions on how we can hear him through parables?

Most from my experience teach if the first sense makes sense no need to look any further.

I don't believe He left instructions on how to hear Him through parables. In fact, He told His disciples the reason why He used parables:

“And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?" He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. "For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.” (Mt 13:10-13 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

Fellowship is woman. Vessel is fellowship.

3 holy .. 3.

The booming voice we bow is the Father. The sight is the Son, the reminder the Spirit. (Cannot tell them apart otherwise, Father is frightening, definitely do bow, can't not bow, but even still same, same, same. Same as in one)

Holy holy holy. We don't know the Father but through the Son. Booming voice Son. Sight Son. Spirit Son . All flowing from the Father. Cannot bow unseen.

Jesus allowed worship of himself in glorified form not physical. We are back in the garden, better decisions this time yes?

Singular triune.

Say: "Holy, Holy Holy Lord God Almighty"

We worship Christ glorified in the fullness of his inheritance as the Name above every other name and before whom all knees will bow. In Revelation 22:4 we see His face.

We worship God. We see His face and we glorify God by His Spirit, Rome is not here, Christ is head. The concern is the source of the filling, because we desire to be filled. It's not Rome, we are created for fellowship though and Christ is still head, we are a vessel for him, created by/for him. We can fellowship.

Mr. Glee, this is because I created a list from elsewhere. Sorry, this is how it came together.. I'm partly off topic, partly not, this is better here.

Thanks

I would offer, We can see our Holy Father face to face in the knowledge he has freely given us (sola scriptura) Some die from lack of his revealed knowledge.

Face to face the same as saying faith (the unseen things of God) to faith the same unseen spiritual things hid in parables

Roman 1:16-17For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from (His) faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. . . . . . .(Christ in us)

Christ the husband the just and justifier

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

I agree fellowship is with woman called the church.

From the beginning Female like Eve used to represent the whole of mankind. The two will literally become one in the new order the wife of Christ the church. what we will be is not known by mankind. Adam to represent Christ not seen our husband.

Adam to whom prophecy alone could come as if his voice was the voice of God almighty. Adam when revealed inspiration Do not eat of the tree hiden in the middle of the forest failed to protect Eve from false prophecy. Satan knew she was the weaker vessel in so much as she is to preach the word coming from Adam .

The lying sign to wonder after "neither shall you touch" .Four words of lying wonders the caused of the fall.

Satan using his lying power to deceive as the god of this world. using the two building blocks of false pride. The lust of the flesh a desire to see the hidden fruit and the lust of the eyes seing touching not dying they both ate from the same forbidden fruit (false prophecy) as oral tradition of mankind

I think you could say God sent a strong delusion to fallen mankind as His light vanished on day three and the tow new timers began winding down to the last day under the Sun .No ned for ether light in the new .No night no darkness

Jesus the Son of man, the new Adam that does protect the bride form false prophecy. . restoring virtue

The dynamic dual. Christ the spiritual seed of the Father, the husband of the bride the church. Including Jesus, the Son of man who became a born-again son of God. Jesus who is not ashamed to call us brother and sisters, in Christ the invisible head (Matthew 12:50 Mark 3:35)

Two is the word assigned to represent Christ not seen. making him known through the through the flesh of Jesus which he says profits for zero, nothing it return to the field of clay

Two called the word of faith as law .(#1) " Let there be" and (#2) it was God alone good

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? (The letter of the law thou shall not death ) Nay: but by the law of faith.

God giving us his understanding not of our own understanding the cause of the fall

Three in parables denote the end of a matter

Three is a crowd when it comes to the Dynamic Duo. . Father and Son team

 

[Eleanor]

What are missives?

Check out an English dictionary.

If you have no problem with parables, do you agree without, he spoke not. or sometimes he spoke parables. It's a mystery to how many?

Speaking in parables depended on to whom he was speaking. . .

If so, how are we to rightly divide interpret the signified tongue as prophecy, parables.

Did Christ leave instructions on how we can hear him through parables?

Parables are analogies. . .which assume you understand the ordinary meaning of the parable.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Thanks

I would offer, We can see our Holy Father face to face in the knowledge he has freely given us (sola scriptura) Some die from lack of his revealed knowledge.

Face to face the same as saying faith (the unseen things of God) to faith the same unseen spiritual things hid in parables

Roman 1:16-17For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from (His) faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. . . . . . .(Christ in us)

Christ the husband the just and justifier

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

I agree fellowship is with woman called the church.

From the beginning Female like Eve used to represent the whole of mankind. The two will literally become one in the new order the wife of Christ the church. what we will be is not known by mankind. Adam to represent Christ not seen our husband.

Adam to whom prophecy alone could come as if his voice was the voice of God almighty. Adam when revealed inspiration Do not eat of the tree hiden in the middle of the forest failed to protect Eve from false prophecy. Satan knew she was the weaker vessel in so much as she is to preach the word coming from Adam .

The lying sign to wonder after "neither shall you touch" .Four words of lying wonders the caused of the fall.

Satan using his lying power to deceive as the god of this world. using the two building blocks of false pride. The lust of the flesh a desire to see the hidden fruit and the lust of the eyes seing touching not dying they both ate from the same forbidden fruit (false prophecy) as oral tradition of mankind

I think you could say God sent a strong delusion to fallen mankind as His light vanished on day three and the tow new timers began winding down to the last day under the Sun .No ned for ether light in the new .No night no darkness

Jesus the Son of man, the new Adam that does protect the bride form false prophecy. . restoring virtue

The dynamic dual. Christ the spiritual seed of the Father, the husband of the bride the church. Including Jesus, the Son of man who became a born-again son of God. Jesus who is not ashamed to call us brother and sisters, in Christ the invisible head (Matthew 12:50 Mark 3:35)

Two is the word assigned to represent Christ not seen. making him known through the through the flesh of Jesus which he says profits for zero, nothing it return to the field of clay

Two called the word of faith as law .(#1) " Let there be" and (#2) it was God alone good

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? (The letter of the law thou shall not death ) Nay: but by the law of faith.

God giving us his understanding not of our own understanding the cause of the fall

Three in parables denote the end of a matter

Three is a crowd when it comes to the Dynamic Duo. . Father and Son team

The belief-set described in the post seem enough askew of my own that it affects language itself. I have to turn my head, in a matter of speaking.

Three in parables denotes unity. 3 parts makes 1 whole.

Jesus of Nazareth is not just annointed (Christ as man) he was born DNA of God's seed and annointed by the Spirit (Messiah of all who come, Savior of all of Israel)

You can't separate Jesus from the Spirit of Christ or from the Father. The 3 are a unified whole, just as we are body soul mind.

The Father is what we can't touch, but we know him through the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is triune in nature not dual. The Son and the Holy Spirit comes to us and back again but never the Father.

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17).

The word of God is command, not faith. Faith comes upon God's command, through the mediator called hearing, in the above verse.

I don't understand what you believe caused the fall. Sin caused the fall. Sin is lawlessness. God commanded and we didn't heed the command, + Adam didn't keep the head. He instead gave his head to woman over him, and with the beast over her. Entire created order upside down. Fallen angel false prophet as head, no command of God followed. No command followed is death.

Christ as second Adam commands are followed because his Spirit is upon us. When we falter, he brings us back because upon the command of God we have faith by way of a mediator of the covenant, that is, Christ who is salvation as well as understanding.

 

[makesends]

The belief-set described in the post seem enough askew of my own that it affects language itself. I have to turn my head, in a matter of speaking.

WOW!!! What a delicious set of words!!!

You should be an author!

 

[makesends]

The Father is what we can't touch, but we know him through the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is triune in nature not dual. The Son and the Holy Spirit comes to us and back again but never the Father.

Not to disagree with your point as opposing that of @Mr GLee , but we do have the principle of Christ and his Father being one, and, as such, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and we will come to him and will make a home with him." The theme of 'already but not yet' may apply here, but I don't think he is talking about the post-resurrection future alone.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Father is what we can't touch, but we know him through the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is triune in nature not dual. The Son and the Holy Spirit comes to us and back again but never the Father.

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17).

Thanks

You counted the Holy Father twice.

The Holy Spirit is the one Spirit of the Holy Father the Christ .. . the one good teaching master

We know the Son through the father not the father through the son of man Jesus an earthen vessel. God is not a man (Creation)

A Catholic design. Two Holy Fathers calling the Pope Holy Father violating the loving commandment to call no dying sinner on earth Holy Father. There Queen Mary goddess completes their trinity.

Three or what some call triune is used as a metaphor in parables to denote the end of a matter. Seven means perfect. Twelve the authority of the living word. Six the number of mankind, two God has spoken . etc

It is used in both parables as if one work .

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The metaphorical phrase three days to denote the end of the matter is used 25 times in that way in the new

The law of Creation twofold two working as one. The law of faith (1) "Let there be" the witness (2) it was a good work of Christ's faith. a poawer labor labor of His love

Dynamic Duo the Holy Father and Son of man team. Three is a crowd

Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father

 

[Hazelelponi]

Not to disagree with your point as opposing that of @Mr GLee , but we do have the principle of Christ and his Father being one, and, as such, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and we will come to him and will make a home with him." The theme of 'already but not yet' may apply here, but I don't think he is talking about the post-resurrection future alone.

I had a hard time with that to the point I almost asked but then decided against. Thanks for your input .. it's helpful.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father

I have never even heard anyone think this before.

I don't at the moment know how to even respond.

Thanks for answering, any further questions I have, I will address as i have them.

 

[makesends]

Mr GLee said:
Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father

I have never even heard anyone think this before.

I don't at the moment know how to even respond.

Thanks for answering, any further questions I have, I will address as i have them.

The statement that @Mr GLee made may even be of itself acceptable to Orthodoxy, but not, I think, as he intends it to mean/imply.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Mr GLee said:
Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father

The statement that @Mr GLee made may even be of itself acceptable to Orthodoxy, but not, I think, as he intends it to mean/imply.

How do you mean?

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus of Nazareth is not just anointed (Christ as man) he was born DNA of God's seed and anointed by the Spirit (Messiah of all who come, Savior of all of Israel)

Christ is not a created man

The word Christ means "the anointing or teacher the one good teaching master." . Not the Son of man Jesus the one the Father taught

Christ the Holy Spirit warns of the antichrists (another anointing teaching authority other than sola scriptura). The anti-christ the false anointing or teaching master. .

Satan's lying spirit sending false apostles bringing false prophecy as oral tradition of mankind. . . . laws of men

1 John 2:21-27 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal lifeThese things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you But the anointing (teaching)which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing (Christ) teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (Christ)

Christ the teaching authority was demonstrated in Mathew 16 when Satan the spirit of lies deceived Peter and Peter as a false apostle rebuked the Lord as Christ and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the Holy Father. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man Jesus. No forgiveness from Christ the teaching Holy Father

Mathew 16:22-23Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: (unseen Holy Father) this shall not be unto thee.;But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mark 10:17-18;. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. (not Jesus the Son of man)

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
Mr GLee said:
Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father

The statement that @Mr GLee made may even be of itself acceptable to Orthodoxy, but not, I think, as he intends it to mean/imply.

How do you mean?

Within Orthodoxy, there are such statements as that the 'Spirit of Christ', and the 'Spirit of God', are one and the same as the 'Holy Spirit'. Off the top of my head, I don't recall the term, "Spirit of the Father", as such, in Scripture, other than in Matthew 10:20, but the notion implied by it can be assumed by some as the same sort of thing as "Spirit of Christ", and there are several scriptures that imply that there is such a thing, such as John 14:16-17 and Romans 8:14-16, since Christ is considered a distinct person from the Father yet one and the same God.

But @Mr GLee pretty obviously means differently from that, denying personhood to the Spirit of God, and apparently thinks of the Spirit not as a person, but only as a force of, or perhaps a part of the nature of, the Father.



It is probably worth mentioning here that there are many within (under) Christianity's umbrella that have been careless in their describing what only makes sense to them, but are merely ignorant, yet sure of their descriptions by presumption and not aware of the danger of their statements—not exactly what I would term a "false teacher".

 

[David Lamb]

Christ is not a created man

The word Christ means "the anointing or teacher the one good teaching master." . Not the Son of man Jesus the one the Father taught

No, Christ means the same as the Hebrew word "Messiah", it means "anointed." It doesn't mean "good teaching master."

Christ the Holy Spirit warns of the antichrists (another anointing teaching authority other than sola scriptura). The anti-christ the false anointing or teaching master. .

Christ is not the Holy Spirit. Think of Paul's words:

“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.” (2Co 13:14 NKJV)

He didn't write: “The grace of Jesus, the communion of Christ the Holy Spirit, and the love of God, be with you all. Amen.”

Satan's lying spirit sending false apostles bringing false prophecy as oral tradition of mankind. . . . laws of men

1 John 2:21-27 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal lifeThese things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you But the anointing (teaching)which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing (Christ) teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (Christ)

Christ the teaching authority was demonstrated in Mathew 16 when Satan the spirit of lies deceived Peter and Peter as a false apostle rebuked the Lord as Christ and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the Holy Father. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man Jesus. No forgiveness from Christ the teaching Holy Father

You call Christ "the teaching authority". But many times in the bible, we read that Jesus taught. Here are some examples:

“Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, "How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?” (Mr 12:35 NKJV)

“Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.” (Joh 7:14 NKJV)

“Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, "You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know.” (Joh 7:28 NKJV)

We even have Jesus being said to teach with authority:

“And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.” (Mt 7:28-29 NKJV)

Why do you insist on separating Jesus from Christ, when many times, the word of God says that Jesus is the Christ?

 

[Mr GLee]

No, Christ means the same as the Hebrew word "Messiah", it means "anointed." It doesn't mean "good teaching master."

God not. a creation

So then Christ the Messiah is not the one good infallible teaching, and the Son of Man Jesus is ?

Which one the Holy Father or the Son of man Jesus ?


Mark 10:17-18;. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. (not Jesus the Son of man)


Online etymology dictionary c. 1300, Messias, a designation of Jesus as the savior of the world, from Late Latin Messias, from Greek Messias, from Aramaic (Semitic) meshiha and Hebrew mashiah "the anointed" (of the Lord), from mashah "anoint." It is thus the Hebrew equivalent of Christ, and it is the word rendered in Septuagint as Greek Khristos (see Christ).

“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.” (2Co 13:14 NKJV)

He didn't write: “The grace of Jesus, the communion of Christ the Holy Spirit, and the love of God, be with you all. Amen.”

Grace does not come from Jesus the Son of man. He as a aposlte sent by the Father informs us his flesh profits for zero. (John 6)

What did profit is the living word it is spirit life giving it does come from the infallibly teaching master or Rabbi all glory to the Holy Father not seen.