Trinity: The Divinity of Jesus

[David Lamb]

God not. a creation

So then Christ the Messiah is not the one good infallible teaching, and the Son of Man Jesus is ?

Which one the Holy Father or the Son of man Jesus ?

What Holy Father? Jesus Christ is the Son. Where in the bible do you find Christ called "Holy Father?" The phrase "Holy Father" occurs just once in the bible in the prayer of God the Son to God the Father:

“And they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top [is] in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth."” (Ge 11:4 NKJV)

You keep ignoring all the times where the bible makes it abundantly clear that "Jesus" and "Christ" are not separate from each other. We are told many times that Jesus is the Christ. We even have the testimony of the Saviour Himself:

“And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, "Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?" But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:60-62 NKJV)

Mark 10:17-18;. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. (not Jesus the Son of man)

Why did the Saviour ask that question? I would say it was to lead the young man to acknowledge Who the Saviour really is. As John Gill wrote in his commentary on that verse: "Why callest thou me good? This is said, not as denying that he was good, or as being angry with him for calling him so, but in order to lead this young man to a true knowledge of him, and his goodness, and even of his proper deity:"

Online etymology dictionary c. 1300, Messias, a designation of Jesus as the savior of the world, from Late Latin Messias, from Greek Messias, from Aramaic (Semitic) meshiha and Hebrew mashiah "the anointed" (of the Lord), from mashah "anoint." It is thus the Hebrew equivalent of Christ, and it is the word rendered in Septuagint as Greek Khristos (see Christ).


Grace does not come from Jesus the Son of man. He as a aposlte sent by the Father informs us his flesh profits for zero. (John 6)

John 6 contains these words:

“Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.” (Joh 6:53 NKJV)

That doesn't say that His flesh profits for zero! He continues:

“Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. "For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.” (Joh 6:53-56 NKJV)

Then come the words about flesh profiting nothing:

“When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you? "[What] then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” (Joh 6:61-63 NKJV)

He cannot be meaning His own flesh, because He had already said that His flesh is food indeed.

What did profit is the living word it is spirit life giving it does come from the infallibly teaching master or Rabbi all glory to the Holy Father not seen.

I don't know what that means.

 

[Mr GLee]

makesends said:
Mr GLee said:
Again the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father

The statement that @Mr GLee made may even be of itself acceptable to Orthodoxy, but not, I think, as he intends it to mean/imply.

Within Orthodoxy, there are such statements as that the 'Spirit of Christ', and the 'Spirit of God', are one and the same as the 'Holy Spirit'. Off the top of my head, I don't recall the term, "Spirit of the Father", as such, in Scripture, other than in Matthew 10:20, but the notion implied by it can be assumed by some as the same sort of thing as "Spirit of Christ", and there are several scriptures that imply that there is such a thing, such as John 14:16-17 and Romans 8:14-16, since Christ is considered a distinct person from the Father yet one and the same God.

But @Mr GLee pretty obviously means differently from that, denying personhood to the Spirit of God, and apparently thinks of the Spirit not as a person, but only as a force of, or perhaps a part of the nature of, the Father.



It is probably worth mentioning here that there are many within (under) Christianity's umbrella that have been careless in their describing what only makes sense to them, but are merely ignorant, yet sure of their descriptions by presumption and not aware of the danger of their statements—not exactly what I would term a "false teacher".

Hi Thanks

Not a salvation issue. More of we must be careful how we miraculously can hear our invisible God as we say we do. Satan the seed snatcher is waiting to kick it to the wayside

Christ warns us of those antichrist false apostles, false prophet, false teachers who say we do need a man to teach us.(1 John 2)

Making the promise of the Holy Spirit of Christ to teach, comfort, guide and bring to our memory the previous things (John 14) Making it without effect.

I would offer an urban alternative. The word person originally "a mask, a false face," Person-to-person. One flesh and blood human communing with another face to face .

Online etymology person (n.)​

c. 1200, persoun, "an individual, a human being," from Old French persone "human being, anyone, person" (12c., Modern French personne) and directly from Latin persona "human being, person, personage; a part in a drama, assumed character," originally "a mask, a false face," such as those of wood or clay, covering the whole head, worn by the actors in later Roman theater. OED offers the general 19c. explanation of persona as "related to" Latin personare "to sound through" (i.e. the mask as something spoken through and perhaps amplifying the voice), "but the long o makes a difficulty ...." Klein and Barnhart say it is possibly borrowed from Etruscan phersu "mask." De Vaan has no entry for it.

From mid-13c. as "one of the persons of the Trinity," a theological use in Church Latin of the classical word. Meanings "one's physical being, the living body" and "external appearance" are from late 14c. In grammar, "one of the relations which a subject may have to a verb," from 1510s. In legal use, "corporate body or corporation other than the state and having rights and duties before the law," 15c., short for person aggregate (c. 1400), person corporate (mid-15c.).

The use of -person to replace -man in compounds for the sake of gender neutrality or to avoid allegations of sexism is recorded by 1971 (in chairperson). In person "by bodily presence" is from 1560s. Person-to-person (adj.) is attested by 1919, originally of telephone calls; the phrase itself was in use by 1880 in reference to the spreading of diseases.

Face to face with an invisible Holy Father it has to do with his revealed knowledge or understanding. Face to face is the same as saying faith not of ourselves to faith not of ourselves. but the faithful power of Christ alone working in us . God giving us his faithful understanding

Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exodus 33:11And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face (unseen) to face: (invisible) now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Christ's Holy Spirit as it is written revealed the work or labor of the Holy Father love in the Son of man Jesus.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, (sola scriptura) I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

I would call it faithful powerful the "let there be good labor of Christ" working in mankind. Christ pouring out His Spirit life on suffering mankind in jeopardy of His own Spirit life. he freely gives us little of His powerful faith (understanding)and calls us ye of little power faith Peter chalenged as the Holy Father to incresae the power stn simply robs christ of it by sayin it could be after faithless makind .No faith not litlle none.

Romans 1:1 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith (Christ in us)

Satan simply destroys the Holy Father power of His faithfulness

 

[Mr GLee]

What Holy Father? Jesus Christ is the Son. Where in the bible do you find Christ called "Holy Father?" The phrase "Holy Father" occurs just once in the bible in the prayer of God the Son to God the Father:

“And they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top [is] in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth."” (Ge 11:4 NKJV)

You keep ignoring all the times where the bible makes it abundantly clear that "Jesus" and "Christ" are not separate from each other. We are told many times that Jesus is the Christ. We even have the testimony of the Saviour Himself:

“And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, "Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?" But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:60-62 NKJV)

Thanks David

Not as if our Father is not Holy but usually not that way.

I had a brother named David. He fell of a bride onto train tracks at two, two years before I was born. What was strange we both had the same birthday. My Mom stayed in the house for a long time. When she did come out not a half a block away neighbor ladies came out to shame her. Not that I believe in signs but find it interesting.

It was sort of the Lord gave my Mom another to help her deal with the loss on that day. Also David a Jewish atheist brother-in-law.

David (beloved friend of God) my favorite holy Old Testament saint

Using the words Holy Father is used for the Pope (a daysman) along with many other blasphemous names as supposed attributes. Holy See. Prince of the Apostles, Our righteousness. Highest of Rome ' etc .

They add Holy the word Father to take away the power of the true Holy Spirit of the Father. They give that power to what they call Mary as the queen of heaven. Teaching she alone received the fullness of grace. .the complete cost of salvation, teaching the rest of the world a unknown remnant of grace and it's off to Limbo for the younger sinners (venial)and Purgatory (mortal) for the more mature sinner.

They must deny the loving commandment to call no man on earth Father.

Romes Trinty must have outward form like Rosary beads for chanting queen mother of heaven . . pray for us now and in our hour of tribulation. . simply Blasphemy

A work of fleshly dying mankind into order to make the idol images of the 3,553 and rising patron saints. . his and hers gods in the likeness of dying mankind.

No salvation for the graceless faithless. . just lying signs to wonder, marvel, wonder after just as if prophecy (sola scriptura)

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, (sola scriptura) that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

“Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.” (Joh 6:53 NKJV)

That doesn't say that His flesh profits for zero! He continues:

You forgot the power of the Christ's Spirit quickness giving life. Then the dying flesh is shown as not profiting zero

Peter moved by the Holy Spirit the confession of faith (unseen understanding) confessed. To where can we go Jesus the apostle witnesses lte has living abiding words of eternal life from the father. Not to whom can we go Son of man you have the flesh of eternal life

I would offer

The parable drinks my blood and eat flesh is simply the Holy Spirit of Christ, the father pouring out his Spirit life on flesh that has no power to raise from the dead. Pouring out , working his labor of love in jeopardy of is own Holy Spirit life .

He uses parallel parables two (2 Samuel and 1 Chronical 11:18 By the witness of one. . never

Below water to represent the Holy Spirit used interchangebly. . mixed with blood. Water become wine used in parables to represent (faith )

David imprisoned in doubt. The Holy Spirit sent him a famine for hearing the gospel. . drink the living water (Holy Spirit) by the living waters of the well in the city of bread Bethlehem, by the gate Christ

2 Samuel 23:15-17 And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, (city bread as flesh) which is by the gate! (Christ) And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem,(city bread as flesh) that was by the gate, (Christ) and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord.;And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood (work) of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

Twice water to wine (blood) to emphasize the gospel. they went in jeopardy of their lives

Three is used throughout the bible to represent the "end of a matter". Strike three

 

[makesends]

God not. a creation

So then Christ the Messiah is not the one good infallible teaching, and the Son of Man Jesus is ?

Which one the Holy Father or the Son of man Jesus ?

Poor argument. You are still assuming separation in order to demonstrate separation.

Mark 10:17-18;. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. (not Jesus the Son of man)

Poor argument. His rhetorical statement was not to imply that he was not God, but that the man asking the question didn't know what he was asking. Further, you here still use the assumption to prove the assumption.

Online etymology dictionary c. 1300, Messias, a designation of Jesus as the savior of the world, from Late Latin Messias, from Greek Messias, from Aramaic (Semitic) meshiha and Hebrew mashiah "the anointed" (of the Lord), from mashah "anoint." It is thus the Hebrew equivalent of Christ, and it is the word rendered in Septuagint as Greek Khristos (see Christ).

Where does the dictionary end and your comments begin? Be clear.

But etymology is not meaning, but background at best. The word from which another word comes, even though it is similar, does not carry the same meaning as the word from which it comes. Etymology proves nothing here.

Grace does not come from Jesus the Son of man. He as a aposlte sent by the Father informs us his flesh profits for zero. (John 6)

What did profit is the living word it is spirit life giving it does come from the infallibly teaching master or Rabbi all glory to the Holy Father not seen.

Be careful. Here and throughout your posts, you assert things contrary to Orthodoxy. If you wish to prove your unorthodox opinions, you must somehow do so from Scriptures, and not by re-interpreting Scriptures to mean what they don't, but acknowledging the orthodox use of those scriptures. Read section 3 of the Forum Rules carefully. If you need further explanation of Rule 3, please ask any of the staff.

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[Hazelelponi]

Christ warns us of those antichrist false apostles, false prophet, false teachers who say we do need a man to teach us.(1 John 2)

I would like to point out that even saved Spirit filled believers need to learn and lean on one another's knowledge and understanding, and scriptures teach us this quite clearly.

In 1 John 2:27 which you have pointed to, in it the Apostle John was speaking to a specific audience - an audience of saved Spirit filled believers who he had personally confirmed in the faith.

Neither you nor I have been taught and confirmed in the faith by the Apostle John, confirmed as being believers guarded by the Holy Spirit

We believe ourselves guarded by the Spirit also, but sola scriptura never once meant nothing but you and your Bible, it means everything we believe and teach should be in agreement with the teaching of Scripture, it doesn't mean don't go to church and learn from the pastor, or mean not to read scholarly material from learned men of faith to learn from - God forbid!

If we go back to your mention of the teachings in 1 John 2, I submit to you what he told believers after that:

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)

If we notice the main issue at play is that there's a difference between those believers who were carefully raised in the teaching of the Lord within church bodies for the edification of the body and confirmed within that body as being within the faith and led by the Holy Spirit, then being faced with a potentially false doctrine; and 2.) a brand new Christian who wasn't ever instructed and confirmed into the faith, and has never sat and learned from those with formal instruction behind them.

If you don't know how verses are to be interpreted as a body from the start, the structure of your faith, the beliefs you hold and live by, will be foundationally incorrect and so will the actions and beliefs of your life which follow.

The Apostle Paul was very near to todays likely equivalent of getting his Masters of Divinity degree with a specializion in law, and back then that meant he was looking at being in the seat of Jewish government as he got older. Religion was his deep study and he planned on making it the whole of his life even to his career path.

That's the type of person you're reading speak and interpret Old Testament Scriptures for you in some cases. Without the right foundation underneath us, it's not always easy to understand which specific points are being made, or when we have gone beyond Scripture and the teaching itself.

Christians are commanded to teach, to exhort one another and to meet together, to order our churches in specific ways etc, the only thing we have to be wary about is making sure we aren't listening to cultists with heterodox ideas from the start.

2 Timothy 2:2 ESV
"And what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."

Colossians 3:16 ESV
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God"

We need a solid foundation under our feet, and a family of believers around us in support as we go through life. But no one can learn without first admiting they aren't without error and admiting we need one another as believers.

I just wanted to bring these thoughts forward some. I'll allow you to continue discussing with others.

 

[David Lamb]

Thanks David

Not as if our Father is not Holy but usually not that way.

I had a brother named David. He fell of a bride onto train tracks at two,

I think you mean that he fell off a bridge, not a bride

two years before I was born. What was strange we both had the same birthday. My Mom stayed in the house for a long time. When she did come out not a half a block away neighbor ladies came out to shame her. Not that I believe in signs but find it interesting.

It was sort of the Lord gave my Mom another to help her deal with the loss on that day. Also David a Jewish atheist brother-in-law.

David (beloved friend of God) my favorite holy Old Testament saint

Using the words Holy Father is used for the Pope (a daysman) along with many other blasphemous names as supposed attributes. Holy See. Prince of the Apostles, Our righteousness. Highest of Rome ' etc .

They add Holy the word Father to take away the power of the true Holy Spirit of the Father. They give that power to what they call Mary as the queen of heaven. Teaching she alone received the fullness of grace. .the complete cost of salvation, teaching the rest of the world a unknown remnant of grace and it's off to Limbo for the younger sinners (venial)and Purgatory (mortal) for the more mature sinner.

They must deny the loving commandment to call no man on earth Father.

Yes, Roman Catholics do that. I am not a Roman Catholic. I don't call the pope "father", and certainly not "holy father."

However, my question was, "Where in the bible do you find Christ being called 'Holy Father'?"

Romes Trinty must have outward form like Rosary beads for chanting queen mother of heaven . . pray for us now and in our hour of tribulation. . simply Blasphemy

A work of fleshly dying mankind into order to make the idol images of the 3,553 and rising patron saints. . his and hers gods in the likeness of dying mankind.

Yes, but as I have said, I am not a Roman Catholic.

No salvation for the graceless faithless. . just lying signs to wonder, marvel, wonder after just as if prophecy (sola scriptura)

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, (sola scriptura) that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:



You forgot the power of the Christ's Spirit quickness giving life. Then the dying flesh is shown as not profiting zero

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Sorry.

Peter moved by the Holy Spirit the confession of faith (unseen understanding) confessed. To where can we go Jesus the apostle witnesses lte has living abiding words of eternal life from the father. Not to whom can we go Son of man you have the flesh of eternal life

You keep saying that Jesus and Christ are different, that Jesus is dying flesh and Christ is spirit. What do you think all those bible passages mean when they state that Jesus is the Christ? What do you understand Jesus Himself to mean in His words to the High Priest:

“But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:61-62 NKJV)

There, we have Jesus saying to the high priest that He is the Christ. Yet you keep saying He isn't.

I would offer

The parable drinks my blood and eat flesh is simply the Holy Spirit of Christ, the father pouring out his Spirit life on flesh that has no power to raise from the dead. Pouring out , working his labor of love in jeopardy of is own Holy Spirit life .

He uses parallel parables two (2 Samuel and 1 Chronical 11:18 By the witness of one. . never

Below water to represent the Holy Spirit used interchangebly. . mixed with blood. Water become wine used in parables to represent (faith )

David imprisoned in doubt. The Holy Spirit sent him a famine for hearing the gospel. . drink the living water (Holy Spirit) by the living waters of the well in the city of bread Bethlehem, by the gate Christ

2 Samuel 23:15-17 And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, (city bread as flesh) which is by the gate! (Christ) And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem,(city bread as flesh) that was by the gate, (Christ) and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord.;And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood (work) of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

Twice water to wine (blood) to emphasize the gospel. they went in jeopardy of their lives

Three is used throughout the bible to represent the "end of a matter". Strike three

 

[Mr GLee]

I would like to point out that even saved Spirit filled believers need to learn and lean on one another's knowledge and understanding, and scriptures teach us this quite clearly.

In 1 John 2:27 which you have pointed to, in it the Apostle John was speaking to a specific audience - an audience of saved Spirit filled believers who he had personally confirmed in the faith.

Hi thanks.

Verse 26 is part of the doctrine warning of antichrist another teaching authority other than sola scriptura.

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. ; But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him

Those things the Holy Spirit has written to us concerning them that seduce us.

Not teach us as shared personal commentaries or called private interpretations. We can preach, He does all the teaching and will not share the teaching glory with dying mankind.

2 Peter 2:20-21 ;Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.(personal commentary )For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

One good teaching master Christ not seen.

It would seem you are trying to take away the warning to believers of others that say we must have a man to teach us as If Christ in us had no power

We believe ourselves guarded by the Spirit also, but sola scriptura never once meant nothing but you and your Bible, it means everything we believe and teach should be in agreement with the teaching of Scripture, it doesn't mean don't go to church and learn from the pastor, or mean not to read scholarly material from learned men of faith to learn from - God forbid!

Beware!!!!!! of those who say we need a man to teach us. It's not us and the Bible; it's us with the living abiding words of the Bible. It does the interpreting rightly dividing. Not the Pope a daysman.

Hebrew 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart

All things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) or called the Moses to represent the law (old testament) and Elias's prophets. (new testament. The shield of faith. (power)

The eternal invisible things of Christ the husband. We care for and protect, that which defends us. . the sword of the Spirit. Put on the armor and keep it on..

He uses those sent messengers apostles with sola scriptura to help establish the 1 John 2 loving commandment to beware of those that insist a man teach

Two witnesses in 1 Corinthians 3 and again in 4;

Using two Apostles to show not to puff up and venerate men above sola scriptura . Revealing just who it is that can "let there be" different. and it was God alone good. (Not the Pope)

Like the Catholic they venerated their own self in false pride and call it apostolic succession

1 Corinthians 3:4-5For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?; I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.(performed the teaching) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour

We receive no reward according to what the apostles do. Same spirit of teaching in the following chapter.

Don't be seduced by the anti christ false prophets sent with false prophecy. Oral tradition of mankind

1 Corithian 4:6A-7nd these things, brethren, I have in a figure(parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, (sola scriptura) that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
;For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

 

[David Lamb]

Beware!!!!!! of those who say we need a man to teach us. It's not us and the Bible; it's us with the living abiding words of the Bible. It does the interpreting rightly dividing. Not the Pope a daysman.

"Daysman" means an umpire or a judge. The pope is certainly not my judge.

 

[Mr GLee]

You keep saying that Jesus and Christ are different, that Jesus is dying flesh and Christ is spirit. What do you think all those bible passages mean when they state that Jesus is the Christ? What do you understand Jesus Himself to mean in His words to the High Priest:

“But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:61-62 NKJV)

There, we have Jesus saying to the high priest that He is the Christ. Yet you keep saying He isn't.

Hi thanks

An alternative way of looking at the seed Christ .

We know Christ is the one good anointing teaching master.

Christ according to a promise (Isaiah 62) renamed his wife in Acts, previously called her Isreal meaning "one who wrestles with God given the power of God he overcomes the enemy" .In that case Jacob the name before conversion. . meaning "deceiver". Teaching not all Israel is born again. A man must be born again

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Christ, renamed His bride "Christian" literally meaning "residents of the heavenly city of Christ" Named after its founder and husband Christ

The spiritual (invisible) powerful "seed" Christ . That second born seed which Onan spilled, or with Esau sold his firstborn birthright for a cup of hairy goat's soup. Cain the firstborn murdering Abel the Bible thumper for a little rest from hearing the gospel.

First born seeing no spiritual value in the unseen eternal things of Christ. Jesus the prophet was given words from the Father in John 3 . . Wonder or marvel not mankind must be born again

In the verse you offered Christ prophesied. . . . . . . .Jesus said, "I am. There the Father put his words (I Am) in the mouth of His prophet and apostle Jesus

Jesus the Son of man. Gods first born of many new creatures sons of God (Christian's)

Teaching God is not served by human hands as a will. He said out of rocks he can create faithful children.

Using an Ass to represent the unredeemed to preach the Gospel to the false prophet false apostle Ballam

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi thanks

An alternative way of looking at the seed Christ .

We know Christ is the one good anointing teaching master.

But that doesn't answer my question. When the high priest asked if He was the Christ, the Son of the Blessed, we read:

“Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:62 NKJV)

So the bible records Jesus saying that He is the Christ. You keep saying that He isn't. Don't you believe the bible?

Christ according to a promise (Isaiah 62) renamed his wife in Acts, previously called her Isreal meaning "one who wrestles with God given the power of God he overcomes the enemy" .In that case Jacob the name before conversion. . meaning "deceiver". Teaching not all Israel is born again. A man must be born again

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Christ, renamed His bride "Christian" literally meaning "residents of the heavenly city of Christ" Named after its founder and husband Christ

Christ didn't rename His bride "Christian". It was the people of Antioch who did that:

“And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.” (Ac 11:26 NKJV)

The spiritual (invisible) powerful "seed" Christ . That second born seed which Onan spilled, or with Esau sold his firstborn birthright for a cup of hairy goat's soup. Cain the firstborn murdering Abel the Bible thumper for a little rest from hearing the gospel.

First born seeing no spiritual value in the unseen eternal things of Christ. Jesus the prophet was given words from the Father in John 3 . . Wonder or marvel not mankind must be born again

In the verse you offered Christ prophesied. . . . . . . .Jesus said, "I am. There the Father put his words (I Am) in the mouth of His prophet and apostle Jesus

Where in the bible is Jesus called an apostle? And the verse I quoted say nothing about the Father putting His words into the mouth of Jesus; it says that Jesus said them:

“Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:62 NKJV)

Did you notice what He also said to the high priest? "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power." That doesn't fit with your notion of Jesus being dying flesh, and powerless.

Jesus the Son of man. Gods first born of many new creatures sons of God (Christian's)

Teaching God is not served by human hands as a will. He said out of rocks he can create faithful children.

Using an Ass to represent the unredeemed to preach the Gospel to the false prophet false apostle Ballam

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

 

[Mr GLee]

But that doesn't answer my question. When the high priest asked if He was the Christ, the Son of the Blessed, we read:

“Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:62 NKJV)

So the bible records Jesus saying that He is the Christ. You keep saying that He isn't. Don't you believe the bible?

Yes, the Father answered he not seen is the Christ Jesus,

The I Am. Jehovah ,almighty God who has become our salvation

Not I am the Son of man Jesus no power

The Son of man as the new high priest took on the new priesthood of believers according to the new kingdom of priest's men and woman prophets and children for all the nations

No female prophets when kings in Isreal (the abomination of desolation) The atheists' Jew rejected God not seen as King of earthen kings, Lord of earthen lord and Father of earthen fathers until the time of the first century reformation it had come. Those shadows that pointed ahead to suffering savior beforehand disappeared

Acts2:1; But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Christ didn't rename His bride "Christian". It was the people of Antioch who did that:

“And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.” (Ac 11:26 NKJV)

Used 11 times in the new, Called The "let there be" of God.

Not called by each other. Christians a more befitting name to name his wife made up of all nations. I would think he made a good choice.

Many negatives meaning according to the unbelieving world. Bible thumper, brain washed, Holy Roller, Fundee, etc . Hiding the true .I am hoping Trump can say humble and make the word Christian great again

Transliteration: klétos Definition: Called, invited Meaning: called, invited, summoned by God to an office or to salvation

Where in the bible is Jesus called an apostle? And the verse I quoted say nothing about the Father putting His words into the mouth of Jesus; it says that Jesus said them:

“Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:62 NKJV)

Did you notice what He also said to the high priest? "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power." That doesn't fit with your notion of Jesus being dying flesh, and powerless.

Apostle with no other meaning added. sent ones nothing more and nothing less. how beatiful are the feet of those sent with the living word of another.

Catholicism handed down from the Pharisees changed the meaning of the word sent one to highly puffed-up venerable ones. building up a false promise apostolic succession.

Highly venerable needed lord it over the faith of the non-venerable (pew warmer show watchers) to worship what they must call patron saints his and hers disembodied spirit gods in the likeness of men.

Giving the illusion more than one invisible entity (Our Holy Father in heaven) that they can worship along with the idol image (3500 and rising) new gods being Pope elected, picking up new recruit speed.
Noticed lately many Padre PIo commercials

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent (Jesus Apostle) me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Matthew 2:8And he sent (Apostle)them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me,(the apostle) but him that sent me(Jesus Apostle)

2 Corinthians 11:4-6For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.;For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.(sent one Jesus Apostle)

Abel the first prophet sent with the word of God, first listed martyr.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, the Father answered he not seen is the Christ Jesus,

That is not what the bible says. When the high priest asked Jesus if He was the Christ, we are told that Jesus answered,saying:

“I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:62 NKJV)

The I Am. Jehovah ,almighty God who has become our salvation

Not I am the Son of man Jesus no power

The Son of man as the new high priest took on the new priesthood of believers according to the new kingdom of priest's men and woman prophets and children for all the nations

But Jesus told the high priest that he, the high priest, would see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven. The Son of Man is not powerless.

No female prophets when kings in Isreal (the abomination of desolation) The atheists' Jew rejected God not seen as King of earthen kings, Lord of earthen lord and Father of earthen fathers until the time of the first century reformation it had come. Those shadows that pointed ahead to suffering savior beforehand disappeared

Acts2:1; But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Why bring female prophets into our discussion? I hadn't mentioned them.

Used 11 times in the new, Called The "let there be" of God.

Who or what is called The "let there be" of God? Where in the bible is anybody called "let there be?"

Not called by each other. Christians a more befitting name to name his wife made up of all nations. I would think he made a good choice.

Many negatives meaning according to the unbelieving world. Bible thumper, brain washed, Holy Roller, Fundee, etc . Hiding the true .I am hoping Trump can say humble and make the word Christian great again

Transliteration: klétos Definition: Called, invited Meaning: called, invited, summoned by God to an office or to salvation

If you mean the disciples first being called Christians at Antioch, the word translated "called" is not kletos. It is chrematizo, meaning be called, be admonished (warned) of God, reveal, speak.

Apostle with no other meaning added. sent ones nothing more and nothing less. how beatiful are the feet of those sent with the living word of another.

Catholicism handed down from the Pharisees changed the meaning of the word sent one to highly puffed-up venerable ones. building up a false promise apostolic succession.

But I keep telling you I am not a Roman Catholic. Why keep telling me what catholics believe?

Highly venerable needed lord it over the faith of the non-venerable (pew warmer show watchers) to worship what they must call patron saints his and hers disembodied spirit gods in the likeness of men.

Have you tried reading your posts to make sure they make sense? "Highly venerable needed lord it over the faith of the non-venerable (pew warmer show watchers)" just doesn't make sense in English.

Giving the illusion more than one invisible entity (Our Holy Father in heaven) that they can worship along with the idol image (3500 and rising) new gods being Pope elected, picking up new recruit speed.
Noticed lately many Padre PIo commercials

You are again telling me about Roman Catholic beliefs. I am not, repeat not, a Roman Catholic, so you don't need to tell me that Roman Catholic beliefs are wrong. I have not heard of Padre PIo commercials.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent (Jesus Apostle) me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Matthew 2:8And he sent (Apostle)them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me,(the apostle) but him that sent me(Jesus Apostle)

2 Corinthians 11:4-6For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.;For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.(sent one Jesus Apostle)

Abel the first prophet sent with the word of God, first listed martyr.

But the word in those verses is simply the Greek word for "sent". It is the same word used here:

“Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men.” (Mt 2:16 NKJV)

Are you saying that those sent by Herod to kill the boy babies in Bethlehem were apostles?

 

[Mr GLee]

That is not what the bible says. When the high priest asked Jesus if He was the Christ, we are told that Jesus answered,saying:

“I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."” (Mr 14:62 NKJV)

Hi Dave

You are misrepresenting Christ the I Am. The voice of all prophets or apostles like that of the Son of man Jesus. The same voice in the beginingg "let there be and it was God alone good"

Christ our Invisible God I AM. Used flesh signified as sinful as the witness of two by the witness of one no law can be established

By the witness of one no judgment can be made Numbers 35:30.

Chapter 5 of John speaks of the work of two working as one the unseen Father revealed by the words; he gave to Jesus the Son of man the chief sent messenger (apostle)

They said Jesus was making himself equal with the father eternal God not seen, just as you also try and make the Son of man a spokesman for the Father into the Father the Faithfull Creator

Note. . .(PURPLE) My added opinion or comment

John5:17-;28 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. (which you belive are equal, teaching others God is a Man )Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: (Called walking by faith power of God not seen )) for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.;For the Father loveth the Son, (Not the Father is the Son .and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.; For as the Father (not the Son) raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:;That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. or as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;;And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me (apostle) .If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.;But I receive not testimony from mandid not e receive it of his own self) but these things I say, that ye might be saved.; He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.; But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works (of the father) that I do, bear witness of me,( The Son of man does not bear witness of his ownself )that the Father hath sent me.(apostle) And the Father himself, which hath sent me,(apostle) hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice (not the voice of the Son of man Jesus )at any time, nor seen his shape.(The Father has none) And ye have not his word (Not the word of the Son of man )abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, (the apostle Jesus) him ye believe not.

Chapter 5 John the doctrine of two working as if by one.

 

[Mr GLee]

If you mean the disciples first being called Christians at Antioch, the word translated "called" is not kletos. It is chrematizo, meaning be called, be admonished (warned) of God, reveal, speak.

yes, warned of God not seen with the eye as it is written. Not warned of the Son of man Jesus the apostle sent messenger.

But the word in those verses is simply the Greek word for "sent". It is the same word used here:

“Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men.” (Mt 2:16 NKJV)

Are you saying that those sent by Herod to kill the boy babies in Bethlehem were apostles?

Satan the father of lies sent false apostles with false prophecy (oral tradition of Mankind) The lying commandment. Murder all the boys under two

Satan or Lucifer through false prophecy sent Peter who rebuked eternal God aour Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the invisible Father.

Satna's goal to deceive the whole world all the nations that God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings

Mathew 16:22-23Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things (invisible) that be of God, but those that be of men.. . . .(visiable)

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave

You are misrepresenting Christ the I Am. The voice of all prophets or apostles like that of the Son of man Jesus. The same voice in the beginingg "let there be and it was God alone good"

That isn't so. Look, the bible says that the high priest asked Jesus if He was the Christ. Jesus replied, "I am." According to the bible, Jesus is the Christ.

Christ our Invisible God I AM. Used flesh signified as sinful as the witness of two by the witness of one no law can be established

By the witness of one no judgment can be made Numbers 35:30.

Chapter 5 of John speaks of the work of two working as one the unseen Father revealed by the words; he gave to Jesus the Son of man the chief sent messenger (apostle)

They said Jesus was making himself equal with the father eternal God not seen, just as you also try and make the Son of man a spokesman for the Father into the Father the Faithfull Creator

Note. . .(PURPLE) My added opinion or comment

John5:17-;28 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. (which you belive are equal, teaching others God is a Man )Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: (Called walking by faith power of God not seen )) for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.;For the Father loveth the Son, (Not the Father is the Son .and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.; For as the Father (not the Son) raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:;That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. or as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;;And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me (apostle) .If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.;But I receive not testimony from mandid not e receive it of his own self) but these things I say, that ye might be saved.; He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.; But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works (of the father) that I do, bear witness of me,( The Son of man does not bear witness of his ownself )that the Father hath sent me.(apostle) And the Father himself, which hath sent me,(apostle) hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice (not the voice of the Son of man Jesus )at any time, nor seen his shape.(The Father has none) And ye have not his word (Not the word of the Son of man )abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, (the apostle Jesus) him ye believe not.

Chapter 5 John the doctrine of two working as if by one.

You have a most unusual way of interpreting bible verses to make them mean what you want them to mean, that in your view Jesus isn't the Christ. That is in spite of the six times the bible says that He is:

Joh 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Ac 9:22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the Jews who dwelt in Damascus, proving that this Jesus is the Christ.
Ac 18:5 When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ.
Ac 18:28 for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jo 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.

Those 6 verses says "Jesus is the Christ." How can you say that He isn't? That is besides all the places where He is called Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus (246 times altogether!) Yet you maintain that Jesus is a created being who needed to be born again, and Christ is spiritual.

 

[David Lamb]

yes, warned of God not seen with the eye as it is written. Not warned of the Son of man Jesus the apostle sent messenger.

What do you mean? I was talking about the disciples first being called Christ at Antioch. The inhabitants of Antioch were not warned by God to call the disciples Christians.

Satan the father of lies sent false apostles with false prophecy (oral tradition of Mankind) The lying commandment. Murder all the boys under two

Yes I agree. that the murder of the little boys was at Satan's instigation.

Satan or Lucifer through false prophecy sent Peter who rebuked eternal God aour Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the invisible Father.

Satna's goal to deceive the whole world all the nations that God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings

But Jesus Christ was a Jew, and He did die on the cross but He rose again showing that He is triumphant over death. That is what the bible teaches, not Satan.

Mt 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."
But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.

Here again you seem to be going against what the bible teaches.

Mathew 16:22-23Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things (invisible) that be of God, but those that be of men.. . . .(visiable)

 

[Mr GLee]

What do you mean? I was talking about the disciples first being called Christ at Antioch. The inhabitants of Antioch were not warned by God to call the disciples Christians.

Hi Brother Dave

Or at least it seems that what you think ?

Again, the word literally means "Residents of the city of Christ" prepared for his Bride the church .

First called Christian by the father. Previously called her Isarel (not all Iseral is born again Isreal, as Christian "resident of the city of Christ".

Not those who call Christians, bible thumpers, fundee, holy roller etc

Christian a more befitting name to name the bride Christ of all the nations of the world

Revelation 21And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Sound the D Trump make the name Christian. . . "great again"

 

[Mr GLee]

That isn't so. Look, the bible says that the high priest asked Jesus if He was the Christ. Jesus replied, "I am." According to the bible, Jesus is the Christ.

Yes the Holy Father gave words to his prophet, apostle Jesus. I Am the invisible Faithfull. . Let there be Creator

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Brother Dave

Or at least it seems that what you think ?

Again, the word literally means "Residents of the city of Christ" prepared for his Bride the church .

No, the word translated Christian literally means "follower of Christ".

First called Christian by the father.

Where do we find that in the bible? The word "Christian(s)" appears just 3 times in the bible:

Ac 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Ac 26:28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, "You almost persuade me to become a Christian."
1Pe 4:16 Yet if [anyone suffers] as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

No mention in any of those verses that they were called Christian by the Father.

Previously called her Isarel (not all Iseral is born again Isreal, as Christian "resident of the city of Christ".

Not those who call Christians, bible thumpers, fundee, holy roller etc

Christian a more befitting name to name the bride Christ of all the nations of the world

Revelation 21And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Sound the D Trump make the name Christian. . . "great again"

What is the D Trump in this context? I know the American president is Donald Trump, but what has that got to do with bible truth?

 

[Mr GLee]

No, the word translated Christian literally means "follower of Christ".

Yes, Christian's follow Christ yoked with him our daily burden can be lighter, it's what they are empowered to do to his good pleasure

Christian. Like all sects or denominations that use "demonym" to identify people by location (GPS)

Christian's. . Like the Nicolaitans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians

I am a Milwaukee, Wisconsinian . There are three cities called Milwaukee in other states. The importance of the word demonym. Christ's State of mind as it is written (true Christian follower of Christ in us .)

The Nicolaitans learned the hard way God is not a man as us . Nicodemus the leader repented??????