CrowCross
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I have a line that needs to be crossed. Show me where what is mentioned in Rev happened. Until that is done I will NEVER believe it is historic and centered arounf AD 70.And everyone who disagrees with what you present would say exactly the same thing about you. And they would be correct in doing so. No conversation can be had when one approaches the subject as you and most do. As authoritative, indisputable fact, That is why I suggested a different approach. I have been learning to do that myself and it makes for a much more constructive exchange.
Some things are not negotiable but the differences in the end times interpretations are. There are pros and cons in all the views and a lot of it has to do with how we are interpreting the rest of Scripture. It is not one of those things that we all have to understand in the same way, as long as we get the truth of the important underlying message of Revelation. Personally I believe that a great deal of the Dispensational view of Revelation wrecks havoc on the continuity of what the Bible is----the story of redemption. And its interpretation of Revelation misses the purpose of the book having been given to us, and cannot give Scriptural support without also, in the process, producing contradictions in the Bible.
OK...So?
Revelation is the prophetic for some generation. When one looks at where we are and what we can do...it looks to be our generation.I feel the same about the Preterist and partial Preterist views. But, as I said, that is the way I look at it. I tend to engage very little in this discussion as it always degenerates and becomes corrupt. If you can't say what you believe without invoking the outside world to do with it, it suggests to me that something is very wrong with the interpretation. Scripture is its own interpreter. Bible hermeneutics 101.
As to the chip question----what does that have to do with the scriptures? If John is recording something that was given to him in a vision and the mark is a representation of something and not an actual mark, the fact that we can all be chipped or marked is meaningless. Why do you not do the same thing with the seal with which we are sealed in Christ, as belonging to him, by the Holy Spirit way back in Eph, that you do with the mark of belonging to the false Trinity in Revelation?
I certainly hope it is.
I have never posted as an authority. Do you?You are not the authority of prophetic (speaking God's words) symbolic utterances. Try not to post as though you are. That is all I am asking of anyone.
I'm simply reading the bible and reading the news....and pointing out some of the extremely close simularaties.