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The mark of the beast

What is the mark of the beast?

  • The literal number 666

  • A microchip

  • A world system

  • A spirit of the antichrist

  • An unbeliever who persists in wickedness

  • Symbolize's belonging to Satan

  • I have no idea.

  • Someone's name

  • The God-opposing, Christ rejecting, church persecuting spirit of antichrist, where and when it shows


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That's nice, but it doesn't warrant more than speculation as to the specifics of the language used in the prophecy.
I showed the figurative use of "forehead", in the Bible. You have provided precisely zero counter-evidence.

If you don't want to believe biblical usage, that's up to you, but don't claim that you haven't been shown.
 
Not worth the time.

Just stop totalitarianism the way our Constitution says. As Constitutional knowledge decreases, prophecy idleness increases.

Much more important to know that Christ has been Davidically enthroned (Acts 2:30) and that the blessings promised to David were transferred to him, Acts 13 quoting Isaiah. We are to honor Him and persuade the world likewise.
 
That is only concerning keeping track of vaccine records. It is not missing any ingredients, so why did you choose to show the meme from iFunny.com that says it is missing an ingredient and that ingredient is an enzyme called Luciferase? Was it to move the conversation towards verifying your view. They have under the skin chip capability for over twenty years. They put them in pets so lost pets can be returned to their owners. Entirely voluntary. But nothing new.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the visions in Revelation unless a person decides to say the visions given in symbolic form are actually given in literal form.
My point is that it can be done. It is being done....not on the Rev 13 level yet.
 
That's nice, but it doesn't warrant more than speculation as to the specifics of the language used in the prophecy.
I will add my two cents on the matter. It is crucial to remember in all writings but doubly so with symbolic writings in the Bible, who the original hearers were. Rev tells us at the outset. It is a letter written to seven churches in Asia. The audience was largely, likely Jewish, and/or familiar with the Septuagint. Revelation may seem like a mystery and puzzle to us but John was not being given gibberish that would be meaningless to those it was addressed to. It was understandable to them because they knew from the OT what the symbols symbolized. It is necessary for us to gain our understanding of them from the same authoritative source. Their OT usage.
 
I agree. I suppose back in 1900 it would have been hard to see 1948.
No signs were given to wonder after. Believers have prohecy till the end of time .

It would seem you are prompting Paganism "out of sight out of mind) They must seek after signs to wonder. . who, were, when, why. . mysteries ? Counterfeit parables

Mark 9 times in Revelation sign 2 times .

Wile of the evil one remove the spiritual unseen understanding.


Satan . Sign or mark all one in the same .six of one half dozen of another

Christ No longer is bringing new prohecy sealed with 7 seals.Satn the king of lying sign to wonder wonder worder after as if true prophecy working overtime today .

God still sending strong delusions .

Becarefull how we hear or who we say we do .The counterfeiter Satan is quick to snatch the seed of faith. Christ's labor of love . .working in and with believers..

Satan the kings of lying signs to wonder after. It would seem his wondering wondering work is on the rise working over time today .

Our Holy Father in heaven still sending strong delusion to those who do seek after signs .

Born again Believers walk by faith as it is written not signs to wonder after . The illusion of true prohecy (Neither shall you touch) both died.

The law of faith (let there power) of God . Mark my living word what I say "let there be" comes to pass .If a person murders Cain 666 then they can expect the same a restless wanderer no gospel rest. Wandering the rest of the lives sufferings the daily pangs of hell with no rest from Christ .Death Roll No easy way out hanging, guillotine etc

Genesis 4: 15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (666 )upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.


Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Believers have prophecy sola scriptura till the end of time.
 
I will add my two cents on the matter. It is crucial to remember in all writings but doubly so with symbolic writings in the Bible, who the original hearers were. Rev tells us at the outset. It is a letter written to seven churches in Asia. The audience was largely, likely Jewish, and/or familiar with the Septuagint. Revelation may seem like a mystery and puzzle to us but John was not being given gibberish that would be meaningless to those it was addressed to. It was understandable to them because they knew from the OT what the symbols symbolized. It is necessary for us to gain our understanding of them from the same authoritative source. Their OT usage.
Yes, exactly. (y)
 
I will add my two cents on the matter. It is crucial to remember in all writings but doubly so with symbolic writings in the Bible, who the original hearers were. Rev tells us at the outset. It is a letter written to seven churches in Asia. The audience was largely, likely Jewish, and/or familiar with the Septuagint. Revelation may seem like a mystery and puzzle to us but John was not being given gibberish that would be meaningless to those it was addressed to. It was understandable to them because they knew from the OT what the symbols symbolized. It is necessary for us to gain our understanding of them from the same authoritative source. Their OT usage.
Good point, that. And it does, to me, anyway, reinforce @David1701 's speculation that 'hand' and 'forehead' are, respectively, 'deeds' and 'thoughts'. But while I agree that it is symbolic language, I can't even say that "hand" and "forehead" there, ARE necessarily symbolic. Seems most likely, but my point is only that vehemence on meaning is out of place here.

There are many places in Scripture that I find not only the first meaning —what so many proudly proclaim as 'plain reading'— is called for, but layers upon layers of possible uses are also there. For example, 'types' are not only history, but foreshadowing. The rules of hermeneutics are common sense—they are not scripture, except where they are as such found IN scripture.

We all operate somewhere on a range between Scripture not being authoritative but the 'witness of the Holy Spirit' to my heart/mind being authoritative, to Scripture having all authority, even beyond my subjective notions that may or may not be a result of hints the Spirit seems to be giving me. We have one who says, "God made me say this, so why are you objecting?" and another who says, "I have studied this all my life, with intellectual honesty, and prayed urgently about it, so this is it!"

I say, "baugh!" to both extremes. When I hear them, my 'pure and unbiased thinking' almost wants to believe whatever they DON'T believe, regardless of what I believed before they posted! "I've had it up to here" with those who claim to be unbiased and pure in their attendance to "the Spirit's promptings" and those who claim to be unbiased and pure in their intellectual integrity.

When I read scripture earnestly, large swaths of it, searching for understanding, praying for wisdom, and I get a notion that seems too good to be true, I can't trust it, but must, (like Mary, lol) keep all these things and ponder them in my heart. For all I know, the Spirit may even be telling me what I need to hear at this juncture, to steer my thoughts one direction or the other, but is far from the whole story.
 
Good point, that. And it does, to me, anyway, reinforce @David1701 's speculation that 'hand' and 'forehead' are, respectively, 'deeds' and 'thoughts'. But while I agree that it is symbolic language, I can't even say that "hand" and "forehead" there, ARE necessarily symbolic. Seems most likely, but my point is only that vehemence on meaning is out of place here.
Deeds and thought will not keep...prevent... a person from buying or selling Rev 13 style.
 
Deeds and thought will not keep...prevent... a person from buying or selling Rev 13 style.
True, except in this —that one who has it perfectly figured out what exactly IS the mark, may find themselves unable to resist the temptation, if they don't already have the habit of obedience and identification with the Son of God. He who sins is a slave to sin.
 
True, except in this —that one who has it perfectly figured out what exactly IS the mark, may find themselves unable to resist the temptation, if they don't already have the habit of obedience and identification with the Son of God. He who sins is a slave to sin.
Times will be tough for the tribulation saints...that is those who became believers after the pretrib rapture.

Just prior to the mark being a reality this happens. " 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.....
 
Good point, that. And it does, to me, anyway, reinforce @David1701 's speculation that 'hand' and 'forehead' are, respectively, 'deeds' and 'thoughts'. But while I agree that it is symbolic language, I can't even say that "hand" and "forehead" there, ARE necessarily symbolic. Seems most likely, but my point is only that vehemence on meaning is out of place here.
It goes without saying that forums would be a much more peaceful and productive place if one's understandings on speculative issues (things that are so far out of our wheel house as modern day readers, reading ancient writings) were couched in "food for thought." And yet, imo, there is ample evidence if we look at what we can about the cultural and historic aspects, that strongly suggest that placing things connected to spiritual principles on the hand or forehead do apply to our whole being----what we think and what we do, but more than that, who/what we are.

We see it in Ex 28 in the description of the priestly garments. There it was literal representing something spiritual. 29."Whenever Aaron enters the Holy Place, he will bear the names of the sons of Israel over his heart on the breast piece of decision as a continuing memorial before the Lord. 29.Also put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpeice so that it may be over Arron's heart whenever he enters the presence of the Lord. Thus Aaron will always bear the means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart before the Lord. 36."Make a plate of pure gold and engrave on it as on a seal: HOLY TO THE LORD. 37. Fasten a blue cord to it to attach it to the turban; it is to be on the front of the turban. 38. It will be on Aaron's forehead---- I imagine John's readers did not struggle with understanding a single thing about the mark of the beast.

Then we have in Eph believers being sealed in Christ by the Holy Spirit. The mark of the beast declares ownership. The seal (mark) of the believer declares ownership. HOLY TO THE LORD. We know the seal on the believer is invisible. And no one reads it as a literal mark. So why out of the blue and for no reason does the mark of the beast have to be literal. There are other ways @CrowCross. to prevent believers from buying and selling. Try severe worldwide persecution of the church.
 
Times will be tough for the tribulation saints...that is those who became believers after the pretrib rapture.

Just prior to the mark being a reality this happens. " 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.....
It is good to know we have someone on the forum who knows it all and can share that knowledge with us. Good to know that all those who believe in a pre-trib rapture and a seven year tribulation are the only ones capable of getting it right.
 
It goes without saying that forums would be a much more peaceful and productive place if one's understandings on speculative issues (things that are so far out of our wheel house as modern day readers, reading ancient writings) were couched in "food for thought." And yet, imo, there is ample evidence if we look at what we can about the cultural and historic aspects, that strongly suggest that placing things connected to spiritual principles on the hand or forehead do apply to our whole being----what we think and what we do, but more than that, who/what we are.
This I love, even though it condemns me. What we do demonstrates who/what we are.
We see it in Ex 28 in the description of the priestly garments. There it was literal representing something spiritual. 29."Whenever Aaron enters the Holy Place, he will bear the names of the sons of Israel over his heart on the breast piece of decision as a continuing memorial before the Lord. 29.Also put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpeice so that it may be over Arron's heart whenever he enters the presence of the Lord. Thus Aaron will always bear the means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart before the Lord. 36."Make a plate of pure gold and engrave on it as on a seal: HOLY TO THE LORD. 37. Fasten a blue cord to it to attach it to the turban; it is to be on the front of the turban. 38. It will be on Aaron's forehead---- I imagine John's readers did not struggle with understanding a single thing about the mark of the beast.

Then we have in Eph believers being sealed in Christ by the Holy Spirit. The mark of the beast declares ownership. The seal (mark) of the believer declares ownership. HOLY TO THE LORD. We know the seal on the believer is invisible. And no one reads it as a literal mark. So why out of the blue and for no reason does the mark of the beast have to be literal. There are other ways @CrowCross. to prevent believers from buying and selling. Try severe worldwide persecution of the church.
Ownership. Exactly so!
 
Times will be tough for the tribulation saints...that is those who became believers after the pretrib rapture.

Just prior to the mark being a reality this happens. " 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.....
Yep! And people want to say that God doesn't intend that hard things happen to those he loves! If he didn't intend it, was he unable to keep it from happening?
 
Just prior to the mark being a reality this happens. " 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.....
Revelation 13:7 KJV
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome [G3528] them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


Revelation 6:2 KJV
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering ,[G3528] and to conquer [G3528] .


Revelation 15:2 KJV
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory [G3528] over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.


Same Greek word in all 3 verses.
So having the mark doesn't mean it can never be overcome, conquered, gotten the victory over.
 
True, except in this —that one who has it perfectly figured out what exactly IS the mark, may find themselves unable to resist the temptation, if they don't already have the habit of obedience and identification with the Son of God. He who sins is a slave to sin.
I believe the tribulation saints will know what the marks is...and will avoid it.
 
It is good to know we have someone on the forum who knows it all and can share that knowledge with us. Good to know that all those who believe in a pre-trib rapture and a seven year tribulation are the only ones capable of getting it right.
LOL....So, if I don't see it your way...I'm wrong???
 
Revelation 13:7 KJV
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome [G3528] them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


Revelation 6:2 KJV
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering ,[G3528] and to conquer [G3528] .


Revelation 15:2 KJV
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory [G3528] over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.


Same Greek word in all 3 verses.
So having the mark doesn't mean it can never be overcome, conquered, gotten the victory over.
If you have the mark...you're doomed.
 
I believe the tribulation saints will know what the marks is...and will avoid it.
I agree. And that is the horror of sin, that those who find themselves addicted, enslaved by it, (to their own assessment), have no excuse, and no recourse, after seemingly ineffective repeated ad infinitum 'repentance', but to depend on God for mercy, and to delight in his satisfaction with the work of his hands.

What we do demonstrates who we are. "We MUST be killing sin, or it will be killing us". (nod to John Owen, my emphasis)
 
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