The mark of the beast

[Arial]

Well, I wouldn't put money on it unless someone gave me serious odds. Perhaps you have a more likely suggestion to replace my 1st choice?


... weird can be interesting ...

Would what is designated a "mark" with its number, in Rev (which is apocalyptic literature that reveals its message through symbolic language)compare to the seal by the Holy Spirit of believers in Eph (which is narrative)? In which case it would not be a literal mark but an invisible stamp of ownership.

According to biblestudy.org the number 6 and its meaning are realted to man and human weakness, the evils of the devil and the manifestation of sin. It is the number of man. He was created on the sixth say. He falls short of 7-perfection.

In Rev its says "count the number" and multiples to three 6's, underscoring it covering all evil, evil (worldly) systems, people who reject Christ, and the source of evil itself---the devil.

 

[Red Baker]

Do you read the long-winded posts? I don’t.

Yes, why not? Most all posts are broken down to allow seekers of God's truth to comprehend them without being overly work for their flesh, which is lazy by nature.

Proverbs 13:4​

The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.​

Hard work works! But the sluggard will not do it! He hates hard work and perseverance. They are painful to him. He loves to sleep; he wants to take today off. The diligent man, working hard each day, enjoys the prosperity and plenty the sluggard covets and misses. They want to know the Bible better, but the thought of thirty minutes of reading overwhelms their minds.

The soul of the diligent person, is made spiritually fat, he just cannot get enough, he wants more.

Folks stay in line for hours to hear their favorite speaker/entertainer/etc.

Folks go to sporting events for hours just to see their favorite team to play~should not God's children give just a little of their time/energy to learn his word? Yes they should.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes, why not? Most all posts are broken down to allow seekers of God's truth to comprehend them without being overly work for their flesh, which is lazy by nature.

Proverbs 13:4​

The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.​

Hard work works! But the sluggard will not do it! He hates hard work and perseverance. They are painful to him. He loves to sleep; he wants to take today off. The diligent man, working hard each day, enjoys the prosperity and plenty the sluggard covets and misses. They want to know the Bible better, but the thought of thirty minutes of reading overwhelms their minds.

The soul of the diligent person, is made spiritually fat, he just cannot get enough, he wants more.

Folks stay in line for hours to hear their favorite speaker/entertainer/etc.

Folks go to sporting events for hours just to see their favorite team to play~should not God's children give just a little of their time/energy to learn his word? Yes they should.

Three used in parables denotes the end of a matter. Holy, Holy, Holy. . . only God is Holy

Big differnce between the word mark and sign different spelling for some reason ? Mark 9 times in Revelation .Sign 2 times .

Remember its un-redeemed mankind that seek after the things seen as a sign they believed . . no eternal spiritual vision.

the Pagan foundation .Out of Sight out of Mind God calls fools .

they made jesus into a circus seal twice, saying. . Show some magic works a miracle then we we see it with our own eyes then we wil belive for one half of a second .

No signs were given. to wonder after. its a evil generation that seeks after them rather than prohecy .

Mathew 24: 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

No sign was given to wonder after. The wiles of Satan the king of lying sign to wonder after rather than prohecy. . working overtime today.
I had a dream, a out of body experience, I heard a voice or felt the Spirt move


Mathew 24: 4-5And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Walk by faith Christ labor of Love not after the temporal dying. Lying signs as wonders. Marvel or wonder not

 

[Marty]

Step back for one moment, and note that each time it speaks of doom and gloom for bearers of the mark, the actions comes in twos. Those who both worshiped the beast and his image, and received the mark. AND being a key word. It also used Greek parallelism (I believe that is what the form of speech is called) by saying those who worship the beast and his image, and those who took the mark. In greek that means those people who did both. This is why John MacArthur said it MAY be possibile for someone who took the mark, not saved obviously, to survive, but did not worship the beast and his image, to repent and believe in Christ. To understand why is to look at what the greek concept is behind the idea of worshiping the beast and his image. It isn't word service. It isn't acting like one cares. It is sold out, heart, soul, and mind, to if this person could see God in His kingdom and all His glory, they would just say, "Nope." turn around, and go back to worshiping the beast. These people taking the mark just seals them in their blasphemy.

We need to step back and see what Jesus actually taught. For example having the seal of God is not only accepting salvation but also doing His will to show that we truly believe.

 

[Marty]

I think it is worth mentioning that the word, 'repent', is not necessarily referring to a spiritual repentance over sin, but can be simply, in this case, changing one's mind about receiving the mark. It is done, a, "you can't remove this tattoo", sort of thing.

See post #44

 

[LeviR]

Yes, why not? Most all posts are broken down to allow seekers of God's truth to comprehend them without being overly work for their flesh, which is lazy by nature.

Proverbs 13:4​

The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.​

Hard work works! But the sluggard will not do it! He hates hard work and perseverance. They are painful to him. He loves to sleep; he wants to take today off. The diligent man, working hard each day, enjoys the prosperity and plenty the sluggard covets and misses. They want to know the Bible better, but the thought of thirty minutes of reading overwhelms their minds.

The soul of the diligent person, is made spiritually fat, he just cannot get enough, he wants more.

Folks stay in line for hours to hear their favorite speaker/entertainer/etc.

Folks go to sporting events for hours just to see their favorite team to play~should not God's children give just a little of their time/energy to learn his word? Yes they should.

 

[Red Baker]

We need to step back and see what Jesus actually taught. For example having the seal of God is not only accepting salvation but also doing His will to show that we truly believe.

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[Red Baker]

Three used in parables denotes the end of a matter. Holy, Holy, Holy. . . only God is Holy

Big differnce between the word mark and sign different spelling for some reason ? Mark 9 times in Revelation .Sign 2 times .

Remember its un-redeemed mankind that seek after the things seen as a sign they believed . . no eternal spiritual vision.

the Pagan foundation .Out of Sight out of Mind God calls fools .

they made jesus into a circus seal twice, saying. . Show some magic works a miracle then we we see it with our own eyes then we wil belive for one half of a second .

No signs were given. to wonder after. its a evil generation that seeks after them rather than prohecy .

Mathew 24: 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

No sign was given to wonder after. The wiles of Satan the king of lying sign to wonder after rather than prohecy. . working overtime today.
I had a dream, a out of body experience, I heard a voice or felt the Spirt move


Mathew 24: 4-5And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Walk by faith Christ labor of Love not after the temporal dying. Lying signs as wonders. Marvel or wonder not

Mr. Glee~Thank you for your zeal of the scriptures, even though at times it is not easy to follow your purpose, but most of time I can when I put forth an effort to do so.

 

[David1701]

The mark of the beast:

1) It is in the forehead (symbolising thought) or the hand (symbolising deeds)

2) A beast, in prophetic language, is a kingdom, or its ruler, as representing that kingdom

3) 666 means "man man man" (six is the number of man); in other words, it symbolises focus on man, as opposed to God

4) The beast kingdom is the anti-Church (Roman Catholicism) and its ruler is the anti-Christ (the office of Pope). This kingdom of darkness claims supremacy over every kingdom and person on Earth; in fact, the Pope claims all authority in heaven, on earth and under the earth (i.e. man, rather than God, is in charge, in this evil system)

5) The mark (which others can discern, if they are able) consists of ways of thinking and behaving that conform to this anti-Christ system (Roman Catholicism)

6) There are really only two religions on earth - Christianity and Roman Catholicism (which is a composite of all false religion, in pseudo-Christian garb).

 

[makesends]

The mark of the beast:

1) It is in the forehead (symbolising thought) or the hand (symbolising deeds)

2) A beast, in prophetic language, is a kingdom, or its ruler, as representing that kingdom

3) 666 means "man man man" (six is the number of man); in other words, it symbolises focus on man, as opposed to God

4) The beast kingdom is the anti-Church (Roman Catholicism) and its ruler is the anti-Christ (the office of Pope). This kingdom of darkness claims supremacy over every kingdom and person on Earth; in fact, the Pope claims all authority in heaven, on earth and under the earth (i.e. man, rather than God, is in charge, in this evil system)

5) The mark (which others can discern, if they are able) consists of ways of thinking and behaving that conform to this anti-Christ system (Roman Catholicism)

6) There are really only two religions on earth - Christianity and Roman Catholicism (which is a composite of all false religion, in pseudo-Christian garb).

Where do you get this (1-5) —Scripture? I mean, it sounds great, but how do you trust it?

 

[Red Baker]

4) The beast kingdom is the anti-Church (Roman Catholicism) and its ruler is the anti-Christ (the office of Pope). This kingdom of darkness claims supremacy over every kingdom and person on Earth; in fact, the Pope claims all authority in heaven, on earth and under the earth (i.e. man, rather than God, is in charge, in this evil system)

5) The mark (which others can discern, if they are able) consists of ways of thinking and behaving that conform to this anti-Christ system (Roman Catholicism)

6) There are really only two religions on earth - Christianity and Roman Catholicism (which is a composite of all false religion, in pseudo-Christian garb).

Greetings David,

I have a problem with limiting the beast to RCC. RCC is indeed part of the harlot (the religious sector of Mystery Babylon,) and a big part indeed, yet, she is only part of the whore of Revelation seventeen. Since 1901 there has been an obsession about speaking in tongues among Charismatics and Pentecostals. What are we going to do with the Kenneth Copeland's of the Mystery Babylon, and men like Jimmy Swaggart, Billy Graham; etc.; the list is long, too long to speak of all of them.

Also, the religious sector of Mystery Babylon will be put to silence before this world comes to its end! Because in their (the kings of the earth) corrupt minds, they truly think that religion is the main cause of divisions in this world. Yet the beast continues on until the antichrists' kingdom (the commerce and entertainments, their gods) are destroyed at Christ's coming. There's coming a day in the near future when they (the kings of the earth) will proclaim peace and safety! Because they shall eliminate all religions .....Then suddenly destruction will come upon them.

Revelation 17:12-18~" And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

This shall happen just before the end of this world ends, how soon, we do not know, but soon. There's a good chance I might not live to see this, since I'm coming to the end of my life, but things change fast in this world, so who knows.

1st Thessalonians 5:1-3~"But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

The world will proclaim PEACE and SAFETY ~ because in their hearts they truly believe that rellgion is the main cause of divisions in this world, so they (the kings of the earth) will eliminate them......in what sense we do not know, but most likely silence them from speaking openly about their faith.

 

[TMSO]

For someone who said we cannot fully fathom what the mark of the beast is, you made some suggestions without any scriptural support!

Time for more education then. If I say we can't fathom, and I make suggestions, that basically means there isn't much support and it is a... suggestion. There is plenty of scritpural support, that it will be a mark (hmm...that is rather obvious), and that it would be around his name, or number. It could be a political system, or perhaps his campaign. What this means, so you don't get confused, is that he may run as HIMSELF, and the party or affiliation may be HIMSELF. That is generally what happens in a totalitarian society.

"Scripture makes it sound like it will be the basis of the world economy in that only those who have the mark will be permitted to partake in the economy".

Okay, I am wrong. It is the basis. If you don't have the mark you cannot buy or sell. So, I was wrong. IT IS THE BASIS OF THE ECONOMY. However, there is no biblical support to say that it is a chip.

"The mark will be forced upon people. It will be "voluntary" in that if you won't accept this forced mark, you will be executed" ~ etc., etc.

If it is difficult to follow, just ask.

I disagree.

Good thing that doesn't matter. God is still right.

Revelation 13:18​

“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

" 17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."

A man/woman who has the wisdom of God, by trusting only in the scriptures for their source of truth, can know. If a child of God cannot fully fathom the truth on a subject so important, then why would God even mentioned it in his word? He would not ~ it there for those who have been saved from the mark of the beast to see, and for those who trust only in God's testimony for truth.

Why would you keep putting forth your own understanding that is not in scripture, and then get upset if someone else does the same?

 

[Red Baker]

Time for more education then.

Education is suppose to be an enlightening experience, so far you have failed in doing this for your readers, at least for me, though I'm all ears if you have a word from the Lord. No pun intended TMSO.

If I say we can't fathom, and I make suggestions, that basically means there isn't much support and it is a... suggestion.

TMSO, why not just come out and say you at lost as to the meaning of the mark of the beast? Suggestions add not one thing to the truth of the scriptures, it only adds more confusion. You are the one that said it is time for more education, yet you only want to make suggestions? There's support for the truth, as much as God knew was needed for his children to grasp the truth contain in the scriptures.

There is plenty of scriptural support, that it will be a mark (hmm...that is rather obvious),

Okay, then you are now saying, there's plenty of scriptural support, which I agree, as far as all that is needed for us to see and understand.

and that it would be around his name, or number.

You are using "his" as a a possessive pronoun, as though the beast is a male person, when in fact it is not a male person, but a confederation of world leaders against God, and his people.

It could be a political system, or perhaps his campaign.

There you go again! So, truly you are just confuse as to having wisdom and understanding to know the truth on this subject. Then my suggestion for you would be that you should labor and pray to God for wisdom and understanding.

If it is difficult to follow, just ask.

TMSO, somethings are hard to learn, so, I trust God that he would be pleased to guide and teach me his truth. Truth take many years to see clearly, and even then, one is always learning truth more perfectly each and every day. We will never learn it all, too much to learn, at least for me.

Why would you keep putting forth your own understanding that is not in scripture, and then get upset if someone else does the same?

TMSO, I do not get upset at brethren for saying things that may not be scriptural, God forbid. I may get upset at those who purposely with an malice spirit speak against the gospel of Christ, but very seldom ever get upset over eschatology.

If you believe I have said anything that is not scriptural, then show me, so I can either defend my position, or repent and correct it, and I will if anyone can show me my error. I was taught what you now believe many years ago and changed my position after about four years or so searching what I was first taught and realized I could not support it with God's word.

 

[TMSO]

I think it is worth mentioning that the word, 'repent', is not necessarily referring to a spiritual repentance over sin, but can be simply, in this case, changing one's mind about receiving the mark. It is done, a, "you can't remove this tattoo", sort of thing.

The question is, can one who was unsaved, unknoweldgeable, didn't know anything about the evils of taking the mark, repent of it after hearing the proclamations of the angels that came AFTER the mark was given out? I speak of the ones who are not worshiping the beast and his image. They who still have an opening in their heart, either for God or the devil. Those who believe in Christ, they are sealed for Christ. Those who worship the beast and his image are sealed to Satan/the beast. What about those in the middle who have yet to do either? The proclamation of the angels says:
"9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed [f]in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and [g]brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and [h]whoever receives the mark of his name.” "

That second time it shows up is parallelism, saying it is one person who did both. So not the ones who only worshiped his image, and not those who only received the mark. So the question is, does this mean that God will not reject those who have not rejected Him by worshiping the beast and his image, and also taking his mark showing full faith and allegiance in the beast?

 

[TMSO]

We need to step back and see what Jesus actually taught. For example having the seal of God is not only accepting salvation but also doing His will to show that we truly believe.

Yes, that's because salvation is works based.

 

[TMSO]

Education is suppose to be an enlightening experience, so far you have failed in doing this for your readers, at least for me, though I'm all ears if you have a word from the Lord. No pun intended TMSO.

TMSO, why not just come out and say you at lost as to the meaning of the mark of the beast? Suggestions add not one thing to the truth of the scriptures, it only adds more confusion. You are the one that said it is time for more education, yet you only want to make suggestions? There's support for the truth, as much as God knew was needed for his children to grasp the truth contain in the scriptures.

Ah, that explains my confusion. The education is that I said we cannot fathom what the mark is. That means that scripture is not clear, which is why people say it's a microchip, it's a vaccine, etc. All we have is suggestions. The only concrete thing we have, if we go solely with scripture, is it is a mark on the forehead or the hand, and it is the name or number of the beast, and that is all it is. Nothing more.

Okay, then you are now saying, there's plenty of scriptural support, which I agree, as far as all that is needed for us to see and understand.

You are using "his" as a a possessive pronoun, as though the beast is a male person, when in fact it is not a male person, but a confederation of world leaders against God, and his people.

"18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is [n]six hundred and sixty-six." I didn't use it as a possessive pronoun, the Bible did.

There you go again! So, truly you are just confuse as to having wisdom and understanding to know the truth on this subject. Then my suggestion for you would be that you should labor and pray to God for wisdom and understanding.

So, what is good for me is not for thee? Got it.

TMSO, somethings are hard to learn, so, I trust God that he would be pleased to guide and teach me his truth. Truth take many years to see clearly, and even then, one is always learning truth more perfectly each and every day. We will never learn it all, too much to learn, at least for me.

TMSO, I do not get upset at brethren for saying things that may not be scriptural, God forbid. I may get upset at those who purposely with an malice spirit speak against the gospel of Christ, but very seldom ever get upset over eschatology.

If you believe I have said anything that is not scriptural, then show me, so I can either defend my position, or repent and correct it, and I will if anyone can show me my error. I was taught what you now believe many years ago and changed my position after about four years or so searching what I was first taught and realized I could not support it with God's word.

This is eschatology. There is always going to something said that may not be scriptural. I mean, we have preterism and amillennialism, right? (And sarcasm. Who can forget sarcasm)

 

[Red Baker]

"18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is [n]six hundred and sixty-six." I didn't use it as a possessive pronoun, the Bible did.

The difference is that you used it as a single male person, whereas, God use it in the sense of ALL MEN/WOMEN who are void of the Spirit of God~those men and women that shall be cut off. See post #34 above.

This is eschatology. There is always going to something said that may not be scriptural. I mean, we have preterism and amillennialism, right?

You forgot Premillennialism~which you are, and even among amillennialism, there are three schools of thoughts.

It would be nice and even helpful for some, if you take my posts above and refute them, if you truly believe they are in error.

 

[Mr GLee]

The mark of the beast:

1) It is in the forehead (symbolising thought) or the hand (symbolising deeds)

2) A beast, in prophetic language, is a kingdom, or its ruler, as representing that kingdom

3) 666 means "man man man" (six is the number of man); in other words, it symbolises focus on man, as opposed to God

4) The beast kingdom is the anti-Church (Roman Catholicism) and its ruler is the anti-Christ (the office of Pope). This kingdom of darkness claims supremacy over every kingdom and person on Earth; in fact, the Pope claims all authority in heaven, on earth and under the earth (i.e. man, rather than God, is in charge, in this evil system)

5) The mark (which others can discern, if they are able) consists of ways of thinking and behaving that conform to this anti-Christ system (Roman Catholicism)

6) There are really only two religions on earth - Christianity and Roman Catholicism (which is a composite of all false religion, in pseudo-Christian garb).

I would agree but would not limit it to one denomination as the focus rather than focuses on the principle or law .

Oral traditions of dying mankind (false prophecy ) was passed down from the Pharisees with Sadducees .Simular to Roman Catholic with Greek orthodox

They tried to prove all things writen in the law and prophets (sola scriptura was heresy) but shot themselves in the foot and hobbled faithless no power to believe God and do his will .

Any sect that installs a leader like a Pope called a daysman in scripture. To include Nicodenmus in Revelations . . a hierarchy of dying mankind. . . lording it over the faith or understanding of the non-venerable pew warmers Mormon and Jehovah Witnesses, Two of the larger denominations . . . false prophets .

Revelation 2: 4-6 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.( believe God, not dying mankind) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; (do what your first love empowers to do. . . move to perform His good will ). or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds (false prophecy) of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Anti- christ another teaching authority other than sola scriptura (all things writen in the law and prophets)

Lovingly commanding in 1 John 2. Do not let any man seduce you to believe you need dying mankind as anti-christs to teach you

Christ in John 14 promises his Spirt will guide, teach, comfort and last but not least. . . . . bring to our memory the previous thing he has taught .

Our hard drive, GPS LOL God's Personal Secretary

 

[makesends]

Yes, that's because salvation is works based.

whoa. Say WHAT?

I hope that was sarcasm.

 

[CrowCross]

What is it?
Is this mark something that will be forced on people?
Something taken voluntarily?
Is it literally the number 666?

Or is it something entirely different?

IMO....the mark will be a technical method in which something is placed in and can be seen on a persons right hand or forehead.
This mark will contain information about you that can be read from an external device. This "mark" will provide financial information and allow for the transference of payment for goods and services. Unless you are tied into the system of the mark you will not be able to buy or sell legally.