The mark of the beast

[Arial]

LOL....So, if I don't see it your way...I'm wrong???

No Crow cross that is the way you see it and the way you post on this subject.

 

[Arial]

I believe the tribulation saints will know what the marks is...and will avoid it.

Welcome to tribulation. Have you noticed it yet? Saints already bear the seal (mark) of belng Christ's and therefore do not and cannot bear the mark of ownership of the evil one. That is another perfectly legitimate way of looking at it and imo it is much more consistent with the whole of Scripture. Which is the measurement I use when assessing the situation. You have been shown the Scriptural backing for that view that was determined from the Bible itself, rather than iFunny memes and the latest headlines and technology advances. You completely ignore the Bible evidence given. My question is why when you know full well that Scripture interprets scriputure.

 

[David1701]

Deeds and thought will not keep...prevent... a person from buying or selling Rev 13 style.

In the Roman Empire, there were many towns where you could only buy or sell if you adhered to the false religion (e.g. giving an offering to a false god, in order to be allowed to sell in the market place).

Nowadays, many people were prevented from going to shops (and many other places) if they did not get the dodgy mRNA "vaccines". The "unvaxxed" showed non-conformist thought and deeds; and this was dealt with harshly by the draconian authorities.

 

[fastfredy0]

There are many places in Scripture that I find not only the first meaning —what so many proudly proclaim as 'plain reading'— is called for, but layers upon layers of possible uses are also there. For example, 'types' are not only history, but foreshadowing. The rules of hermeneutics are common sense—they are not scripture, except where they are as such found IN scripture.

... and this is why I gave up on any detailed understanding of many parables and eschatology long ago.

 

[makesends]

... and this is why I gave up on any detailed understanding of many parables and eschatology long ago.

Lol, yep, and yet, details keep poking their ugly little heads up for my attention, then dropping back down below the surface before I can bop them a good one...

 

[Mr GLee]

Deeds and thought will not keep...prevent... a person from buying or selling Rev 13 style.

Exactly spiritual matter buy the gospel truth as spiritual food and do not sell it

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Not a famine for food for these bodies of death food that come out as draught.

If he feeds the sparrows surly he will feed us.

The believers concern is spiritual hoping that he does not bring a famine for hearing and empower mankind to do the work of the gospel.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

In that way there is no work we can do to save ourselves . Simply another form of works righteousness.

The gospel is not. If I do not eat I will go to hell . Better store some fat for winter famine.

 

[Mr GLee]

Good point, that. And it does, to me, anyway, reinforce @David1701 's speculation that 'hand' and 'forehead' are, respectively, 'deeds' and 'thoughts'. But while I agree that it is symbolic language, I can't even say that "hand" and "forehead" there, ARE necessarily symbolic. Seems most likely, but my point is only that vehemence on meaning is out of place here.

There are many places in Scripture that I find not only the first meaning —what so many proudly proclaim as 'plain reading'— is called for, but layers upon layers of possible uses are also there. For example, 'types' are not only history, but foreshadowing. The rules of hermeneutics are common sense—they are not scripture, except where they are as such found IN scripture.

Yes the infalible prescription for rightly dividing the parable must be applied.

The temporal historical must be mixed with the unseen spiritual eternal

One of the more valuable tools needed to find the unseen eternal understanding .Hid for the non believers .

They seek after signs rather than prohecy/ parables

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version While we look not at the things which are seen, (historical) but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No mix no gospel rest. . the mystery remains

Hebrew 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Walk by faith (the power of God) unseen eternal. Do not leave earth without it. .

 

[CrowCross]

In the Roman Empire, there were many towns where you could only buy or sell if you adhered to the false religion (e.g. giving an offering to a false god, in order to be allowed to sell in the market place).

Nowadays, many people were prevented from going to shops (and many other places) if they did not get the dodgy mRNA "vaccines". The "unvaxxed" showed non-conformist thought and deeds; and this was dealt with harshly by the draconian authorities.

Which is a cake walk compared to the mark.

Then again the christians reading this won't have to worry about the mark. LOOK at the ....

 

[prism]

What is it?
Is this mark something that will be forced on people?
Something taken voluntarily?
Is it literally the number 666?

Or is it something entirely different?

My guess is that it is the result of a deep brainwashing in secularism/humanism (hence 666 man-man-man): (man is the measure of all things etc.)
I suppose brainwashing hits a point where it is received voluntarily.

 

[TMSO]

My guess is that it is the result of a deep brainwashing in secularism/humanism (hence 666 man-man-man): (man is the measure of all things etc.)
I suppose brainwashing hits a point where it is received voluntarily.

This is for consideration. I had heard someone explain the greek connotation behind "worship the beast and his image". It is a worship/fanaticism that is so deep, that after they have gone through judgment, entered torment after having seen the glory of God and knowing everything they missed, they would choose to continue worshiping the beast if they could, in torment. No brainwashing required for those who worship the beast and his image. They are already sold out.

 

[prism]

No brainwashing required for those who worship the beast and his image.

Right, no further brainwashing required, as they had gone all the way in their impenitence.

 

[David1701]

Which is a cake walk compared to the mark.

Then again the christians reading this won't have to worry about the mark. LOOK at the ....

Do you know what the phrase, "...wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." means?

What is a carcass?

Which army used the eagle as its symbol, in the 1st C.?

Which army destroyed the Jewish temple, in A.D. 70, surrounding Jerusalem and besieging the inhabitants?

Did you know that the famine became so severe that women ate their own children?

Did you know that believers fled to the mountains, before the Roman army sacked Jerusalem, escaping the slaughter, because they believed the biblical prophecy?

 

[Mr GLee]

Which is a cake walk compared to the mark.

Then again the christians reading this won't have to worry about the mark. LOOK at the ....

Without parables Christ our husband spoke not . Comparing the spiritual unseen eternal to the same. Not the historic temporal to the same Walking by sight .The two must be mixed or no gospel rest

Yes, Christian do not have to worry about signs to wonder, wonder, wonder . Limbo how low can one go
None were given not one.

Wondering is not believing

It is natural man (666) that does seek after one before they believe (exercise faith) Christ working in us.

The mark "let there be" and what he says "comes to pass" if you murder the restless wanderer you become one

Genesis 4: 15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (666) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Not a tattoo saying . Do not murderer me or you will be tattooed

Mark 9 times in the Revelation .Sign 2 times

Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after would make them all one in the same so 666 people can focus of the dying flesh and blood and not the spirit application the eternal things of Christ.

 

[CrowCross]

Do you know what the phrase, "...wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." means?

What is a carcass?

Which army used the eagle as its symbol, in the 1st C.?

Which army destroyed the Jewish temple, in A.D. 70, surrounding Jerusalem and besieging the inhabitants?

Did you know that the famine became so severe that women ate their own children?

Did you know that believers fled to the mountains, before the Roman army sacked Jerusalem, escaping the slaughter, because they believed the biblical prophecy?

Would you like to explain when the mountain east of Jerusalem split in half like prophecy says will happen?
Would you like to tell me when the horseman killed 1/4 of the population? Then later Revelation describes 1/3 died...then 1/3 died and finally 1/3 died?

When someone can take the book of Revelation and correlated each verse to AD70....get back to me.

 

[Tambora]

If you have the mark...you're doomed.

Wrong.
Scripture says it can be overcome, conquered, gotten the victory over.

 

[David1701]

Would you like to explain when the mountain east of Jerusalem split in half like prophecy says will happen?
Would you like to tell me when the horseman killed 1/4 of the population? Then later Revelation describes 1/3 died...then 1/3 died and finally 1/3 died?

When someone can take the book of Revelation and correlated each verse to AD70....get back to me.

I'm not an oracle! I can only tell you about the things that I know (but I do know some things) and I do not claim to understand all prophecies fully.

 

[Mr GLee]

Would you like to explain when the mountain east of Jerusalem split in half like prophecy says will happen?
Would you like to tell me when the horseman killed 1/4 of the population? Then later Revelation describes 1/3 died...then 1/3 died and finally 1/3 died?

When someone can take the book of Revelation and correlated each verse to AD70....get back to me.

AD70?

Metaphors In that parable.

Mountain = Kingdom .

East = Christ

Jerusalem = bride church .

Satan demonstrates the high mountain used to represent all the kingdoms of men

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 24:15-17King James Version15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:

Mathew 23 the word of God makes desolate the abomination of desolation Kings in Israel

Mathew 23:38-39 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate (not 70AD) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Leaving the temple built with the dying hands the will of mankind the disciples must of thought he had his eyes closed and desired he take a second look . . . . suddenly on the high mountain.

The gospel undestanding hid in that parable


Matthew 24;1-3 King James VersionAnd Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

No sign was given to wonder as if it was prophecy .

The sign and wonder seeking Jews made Jesus into a circus seal. . perform some magic. Then when we see with our own eyes we will believe a half a second .

Look to the unseen eternal power of Christ's Let there be "faith" .

Move out of Missouri the show me State. Move to Wisconsin . LOL

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[CrowCross]

Wrong.
Scripture says it can be overcome, conquered, gotten the victory over.

Rev 14:
9And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

 

[CrowCross]

I'm not an oracle! I can only tell you about the things that I know (but I do know some things) and I do not claim to understand all prophecies fully.

OK, now you know a little bit more.

 

[Red Baker]

Do you know what the phrase, "...wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." means?

Using only the word of God for my interpretation of scriptures, I do.

What is a carcass?

Silly question! A carcass is:

The body of an animal; usually the body when dead. It is not applied to the living body of the human species, except in low or ludicrous language.

Which army used the eagle as its symbol, in the 1st C.?

Who cares? The word of God will tell us plainly the answer to question:

Do you know what the phrase, "...wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." means?

Have you never read so much as these scriptures with understanding?

Revelation 19:17​

“And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;”

Ezekiel 39:17-20​

“And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.”

Revelation 14:15-20​

“And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, andblood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."

Which army destroyed the Jewish temple, in A.D. 70, surrounding Jerusalem and besieging the inhabitants?

Who cares, it has not one thing to do with bible prophecy! The bible is its own interpreter. Not so-called history.

Did you know that the famine became so severe that women ate their own children?

Again, where you there? and what does this truly have to do with bible prophecy? You are trusting the wrong source for bible answers to bible scriptures. All who do so will pay the price for doing so.

Did you know that believers fled to the mountains, before the Roman army sacked Jerusalem, escaping the slaughter, because they believed the biblical prophecy?

Matthew 24:15,16​

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:”

This has to be applied spiritually, not naturally! How foolish to apply these scriptures naturally, when any person knows when you see such things, then it is too late to flee if this has reference to an army coming to destroy.

These these scriptures have reference to latter day churches where the man of sin will take over the professing worship places throughout this world, and when we see this taken place, then God's people are to flee, and most have and are doing so now!