The False Gospel of Grace...

[brightfame52]

..that is being twisted and spread with the purpose to keep you under sins dominion.

The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning.

The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

Romans 6:1-14
King James Version (KJV)

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Sounds like a attack on the Gospel of Gods Grace Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

 

[Hobie]

Sounds like a attack on the Gospel of Gods Grace Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Well, you got to understand what is being given. Christians say grace is the free and unmerited favor God gives to those who seek Him, but is it a license to sin. Of course not..

Many wrongly teach that once Christians “accept Jesus,” it does not matter what sins they commit; they are supposedly assured of salvation even if they do not give up their sinful habits full of iniquity and destructive behaviors to self and other. You know that can be right, and you can see how many people do not understand God’s grace.

 

[ChristB4us]

..that is being twisted and spread with the purpose to keep you under sins dominion.

The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning.

The notion of coming as you are as sinners has been misapplied to Jesus will accept you as sinners as if they can continue to live in sin. One may suspect the devil managed to slip that in for the LGBTQ+ campaign to use as an attempt to normalize sinful behavior.

The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

Unless we forget how we are saved by grace alone and not by works, including repenting from all sins, the evangelicals should remember that discipleship is to be done after salvation. They should not be preaching the gospel and then let them go as they are or bind them with a yoke of bondage like making a commitment to follow Christ ( which Jesus did not teach but rather to trust Him to do it per John 6:28-29 as Paul confirmed in Philippians 1:6-11 & Galatians 5:1,5 thus the just shall live by faith ) and then act as if they are done discipling others.

We live in a world that normalize sin as I am sure, it happened back then in the early church days too where the disciples had emphasized to new Gentile believers that certain lifestyles is considered sin to be departing from with His help.

Even the apostle John had to write in the Book of 1 John to believers that some believers believe that sin was no longer sin to them for why they were walking in darkness to wit, John the apostle had to write that epistle to reprove and to testify to who is abiding in Him from those that are not so the believers reading that epistle know to depart from them in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

Romans 6:1-14
King James Version (KJV)

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

The point of the gospel of grace is to reconcile the sinner to God by faith in Jesus Christ and to have Jesus Christ in us so we can live that life of reconciliation with God because the only way we can live that life with God is through Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

BUT evangelicals that places the emphasis on sinners to repent from all sins BEFORE coming to Jesus Christ to believe in Him to be saved have twisted the truth of the gospel of grace in another way. A woman I used to work with had testified that she had to clean up her life first before coming to Jesus and I shared that she can come to Jesus as she is with the hope that Jesus will save her from her sins too.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

So the gospel of grace can be twisted in both ways, neglecting why Jesus came which is to help us to depart from sin in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ. May the Lord help us to be clear when preaching the gospel of grace to sinners.

 

[brightfame52]

Well, you got to understand what is being given. Christians say grace is the free and unmerited favor God gives to those who seek Him, but is it a license to sin. Of course not..

Many wrongly teach that once Christians “accept Jesus,” it does not matter what sins they commit; they are supposedly assured of salvation even if they do not give up their sinful habits full of iniquity and destructive behaviors to self and other. You know that can be right, and you can see how many people do not understand God’s grace.

All that doesnt matter, its all an attack of the Gospel of Gods Grace.

 

[justbyfaith]

I can't tell you how many people who have told me that we aren't under God's law, but are under grace. Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so they are perverting grace into a license to sin in spite of the fact that there are many verses that show that God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law (Psalms 119:29, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-14), so that is what it means to be under grace.

Sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under the law but under grace (Romans 6:14).

In Romans 7:7-13, we are taught that freedom from the law means that sin cannot use the law to produce in us all manner of concupiscence; thus causing us to sin.

Grace means that that "wet paint principle" is put in its proper place so that we can walk in freedom and victory over sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

So if a verses refers to a law that would be absurd for Paul to delight in doing it, then it should not be interpreted as referring to the Law of God, and if it refers to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God, then it should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin.

Romans 7:12 is in the context of the rest of Romans 7. The law being spoken of in the chapter is the same law being spoken of in Romans 7:12.

 

[justbyfaith]

Furthermore, in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so those who are not following Christ's example of obedience to the Law of God should not consider verses that refer to those who are in Christ to be referring to them. In addition, in Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

Christ disobeyed the law of God in John 5:16-18.

However, His coming was not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life.

There being a change in priesthood, there was also by necessity a change in law.

Christ only disobeyed the letter; not the spirit of what is written.

 

[justbyfaith]

You either have Christs Perfect Law Keeping Obedience for Righteousness charged to you, or your own law keeping obedience in which case you are under the curse of the law.

Christ's obedience in you can be a practical obedience (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Galatians 2:20, Matthew 5:6).

It is not always only imputed.

 

[justbyfaith]

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God said to him without departing from it, so the Law of Moses is the Law of God and it is referred to as such as in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23, so I speak about them interchangeably.

Salvation by works is the position that we are required to have first obeyed God's law in order to become saved as the result as through our salvation could be earned as a wage. While there are many verses that deny the truth of that position, there are nevertheless also many verses that make it clear that our salvation requires to choose to be doers of the law, so there must be a reason why our salvation requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn our salvation as a wage. For example, in Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal for those who obey Him, so it is clear that obedience to Jesus is required for eternal salvation, but not in order to earn it as a wage.

While Paul denied in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our justification as a wage, he also said in Romans 2:13 that only doers of the law will be justified,

In Romans 3:20 Paul writes that no one can be justified through law-keeping.

A contradiction?

No; but Paul is saying that no one can keep the law perfectly; because only doers of the law are justified, AND, no one is justified through law-keeping = no one can keep the law (see also Galatians 6:13).

so there must be a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, such as faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified does not abolish our need to be a doer of the law, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28-31). In other words, we become someone who will be justified, someone who has faith, and someone who is a doer of the law all at the same time, someone who is not one is also not the others, and we become someone who will be justified apart from being required to have first been a doer of the law as though it were earned as a wage.

While Abraham believed God, so he was justified (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was justified was also expressed as obedience to God, but he did not earn his justification as the result of having first obeyed God as through it were earned as a wage (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, his faith was active along with his works, and his faith complete his works, so he was justified by his works insofar as they were the expression of his faith, but not insofar as they were earning a wage.

Saying that we are under grace and not the Mosaic Law is saying that we have a license to do what God has revealed to be sin through the Mosaic Law, so if we do not have a license to sin, then Romans 6:14 should not be interpreted as referring to not being under the Mosaic Law, but rather the law where sin had dominion over us is the law of sin. God is sovereign, so while we should obey God's law because we love Him, someone is nevertheless still obligated to obey Him even if they don't love Him. I've spoken with many Christians who speak against obeying the Mosaic Law and who act like God gave it as a curse to His children.

We are not under the law (as a set of moral tenets) as concerning condemnation.

Would you say that you think that you are under the law in that sense as concerning condemnation?

If so, then I would say that the law condemns you as a sinner and you desperately need the forgiveness of Christ.

It is when we are forgiven that we respond to the Lord in love (Luke 7:36-50) and the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 13:8-10, 8:4).

 

[justbyfaith]

And we will never arrive at perfect obedience this side of His return.

Hi @Arial,

I disagree with you there.

See 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; Romans 6:6, Colossians 2:11; and I have only touched on the tip of the iceberg!

Also, Jude 1:24 is qualified by Hebrews 2:18.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ's obedience in you can be a practical obedience (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Galatians 2:20, Matthew 5:6).

It is not always only imputed.

Christ practical obedience is imputed just as adam's practical disobedience was. All for whom Christ died, have His Obedience/Righteousness imputed to them.

 

[Arial]

Hi @Arial,

I disagree with you there.

See 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; Romans 6:6, Colossians 2:11; and I have only touched on the tip of the iceberg!

Also, Jude 1:24 is qualified by Hebrews 2:18.

1 Thess 5:23-25. If this is saying, as you suggest, that we can become perfectly obedient and without sin while we live in the flesh, then it would contradict 1 John 1:8.

Heb 10:14 refers to our standing before God in Christ, having His perfect righteousness counted as ours, while we continue to be gradually sanctified by the Holy Spirit while here in our bodies. Grow in actual sanctification iow.

1 John 3:9 This refers to no evidence of sanctification at all. A lifestyle of continuous and unrepentant sin. Verse 9 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:7 Again speaking of those in Christ, having His righteousness, bearing the fruit of righteousness.

1 John 3:3 Continuing sanctification.

1 John 2:6,10 says how we should walk in Him, not that we will become perfect in the flesh. Same with v. 10.

Jude 1:24 is what God does in us by sealing us in Christ, and with/in His righteousness (not our own).

2 Peter 1:10. Let's begin in verse 5 For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6. and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10.Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. Does that still sound like it is affirming our ability to become perfectly righteous in our flesh?

Romans 6:6 speaks of no longer being enslaved to sin not becoming perfectly righteous in our flesh.

Col 2:11 speaks of our position before God in Christ, and should be put into the context of the entire chapter in order to know what exactly Paul is addressing and teaching.

 

[justbyfaith]

Christ practical obedience is imputed just as adam's practical disobedience was. All for whom Christ died, have His Obedience/Righteousness imputed to them.

obedience is imparted and not just imputed (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Galatians 2:20, Matthew 5:6).

 

[justbyfaith]

1 Thess 5:23-25. If this is saying, as you suggest, that we can become perfectly obedient and without sin while we live in the flesh, then it would contradict 1 John 1:8.

1 John 1:8, notice it says "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

It does not say, "If we say that we do no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

Interpretation 1: The verse is speaking of indwelling sin rather than practical sinning. Indwelling sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Interpretation 2: "If we say that we have no sin" is qualified by Hebrews 4:15. There, Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are and was yet without sin. He never committed one sin even though He was tempted in every way.

Carry that over to 1 John 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin" might refer to "If we say that we have never sinned". The truth is that all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and if this is what is meant by 1 John 1:8, then John was merely repeating himself when he wrote 1 John 1:10.

Looking at Colossians 2:11, especially in the nlt, I can see this as a viable option.

Also, you have 1 John 1:8 contradicting something in its immediate context, 1 John 3:3-9.

 

[justbyfaith]

Heb 10:14 refers to our standing before God in Christ, having His perfect righteousness counted as ours, while we continue to be gradually sanctified by the Holy Spirit while here in our bodies. Grow in actual sanctification iow.

Hebrews 10:14 is speaking of a practical sanctification and how those who are sanctified have been perfected for ever.

1 John 3:9 This refers to no evidence of sanctification at all. A lifestyle of continuous and unrepentant sin. Verse 9 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

I see you picked a watered-down version. Try the kjv. Otherwise you just might be guilty of what was prophesied in 2 Timothy 4:3.

1 John 3:7 Again speaking of those in Christ, having His righteousness, bearing the fruit of righteousness.

Yes; those who do righteousness are righteous even as He is righteous.

1 John 3:3 Continuing sanctification.

Those who have this hope in Him are pure even as He is pure.

1 John 2:6,10 says how we should walk in Him, not that we will become perfect in the flesh. Same with v. 10.

1 John 2:6, those who abide in Him shall walk even as He walked.

Jude 1:24 is what God does in us by sealing us in Christ, and with/in His righteousness (not our own).

Jude 1:24 says He is able to keep us from falling and is qualified by Hebrews 2:18; which says He is able to help those who are tempted.

The teaching, He is able to help us when we are tempted so that we don't give in to that temptation.

He is also able to present us faultless before His presence.

2 Peter 1:10. Let's begin in verse 5 For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6. and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10.Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. Does that still sound like it is affirming our ability to become perfectly righteous in our flesh?

It is saying that if we do certain things we will never fall into sin when we are tempted.

Romans 6:6 speaks of no longer being enslaved to sin not becoming perfectly righteous in our flesh.

It teaches that the body of sin has been destroyed so that we should not serve sin

Col 2:11 speaks of our position before God in Christ, and should be put into the context of the entire chapter in order to know what exactly Paul is addressing and teaching.

It teaches us that the body of the sins of the flesh has been put off from us.

And in the nlt, it tells us that the sinful nature has been cut away.

 

[brightfame52]

obedience is imparted and not just imputed (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Galatians 2:20, Matthew 5:6).

Christs obedience is imparted producing Spiritual life, thats how the elect are able to believe in Christ and turn to God. However Christs practical obedience to the Law is imputed as a free gift of righteousness

 

[justbyfaith]

Christs obedience is imparted producing Spiritual life, thats how the elect are able to believe in Christ and turn to God. However Christs practical obedience to the Law is imputed as a free gift of righteousness

Of course I'm not saying that Christ's righteousness isn't imputed.

But I will say that Christ's perfect, practical righteousness is also imparted as a free gift.

If we "do" righteousness, we are righteous, "even as He is righteous" (1 John 3:7).

 

[Arial]

Hebrews 10:14 is speaking of a practical sanctification and how those who are sanctified have been perfected for ever.

They are perfected forever because they wear the robes of Christ's righteousness. The practical sanctification is what it happens as we grow in the knowledge of God.

I see you picked a watered-down version. Try the kjv. Otherwise you just might be guilty of what was prophesied in 2 Timothy 4:3.

King James Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Do you know why there is a difference? 1. Because Christians do sin. 2. It is the natural result of the context it is in and what John is talking about.

I'm not doing the rest of your post. I am in a place where am fed up with the fact that it seems many are not the least bit interested in anything but incessant arguing. As to 2 Tim 4:3 stop with the judgment of condemnation. It is what unbelievers hate most about the self righteous zealots that try to convert them by condemning with quoted Bible verses. You are not the judge. And you have no business condemning people.

 

[Arial]

1 John 1:8, notice it says "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Do you know what he was suggesting that caused me to say what I did? Then don't jump in with your Bible lesson as though I needed one or as though you had one to give.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you know what he was suggesting that caused me to say what I did? Then don't jump in with your Bible lesson as though I needed one or as though you had one to give.

I do have one to give...

And I will say something else.

1 John 2:10 is the third in a grouping of three.

Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, and 1 John 2:10.

You grouped it with 1 John 2:6 which is not in its topical context (although in its immediate context).

The topical context of all three verses being that we don't ever have to fall into sin.

Because Jude 1:24 is also qualified by Hebrews 2:18.

You should be aware that the Bible tells us to look at the topical contexts of passages and not just the immediate contexts of those passages.

1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Scripture interprets scripture. Sometimes there are parallel passages where we can reinforce a standpoint. Other times the passages contrast each other and we can come into added insight into the whole of biblical teaching when we come to understand how those passages reconcile.

And I would say to you that all of us here have something to input into people's minds by way of biblical study...otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Of course I am here also to learn what I can learn from anyone who may have a superior knowledge to what I have attained to.