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The False Gospel of Grace...

Hobie

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..that is being twisted and spread with the purpose to keep you under sins dominion.

The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning.

The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

Romans 6:1-14
King James Version (KJV)

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 
The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion.
Hobie, what you are saying in this quote is another gospel! Sinners do not get fed up with sinning~they love doing so! Not until one is born again do they desire to depart from sin and then serve God according to Romans 6.

We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....
No Hobie, that's your sect's gospel the SDA. The Spirit of God comes to God's elect and quickens them to life, by creating a new man within them, so that with that new man then do they seek God and labor to please him in all that they do.

The False Gospel of Grace...​


Is what you are holding to, you and the SDA community. Your gospel really is a gospel of works, not pure grace. We teach that all who profess to believe in Jesus Christ to be careful about maintaining goods work.

 
..that is being twisted and spread with the purpose to keep you under sins dominion.

The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning.

The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

Romans 6:1-14
King James Version (KJV)

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Indeed, in Jude 1:4, the ungodly pervert God's grace into a license to sin.
 
Indeed, in Jude 1:4, the ungodly pervert God's grace into a license to sin.
They do, but more so do men pervert the gospel of Christ of pure grace into a gospel ( which is not a gospel ) into a work system in order to be accepted before God. You are using one verse, whereas Paul used a whole epistle to warn us concerning men like you~Galatians.
 
They do, but more so do men pervert the gospel of Christ of pure grace into a gospel ( which is not a gospel ) into a work system in order to be accepted before God. You are using one verse, whereas Paul used a whole epistle to warn us concerning men like you~Galatians.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey God's law by word and by example and Galatians should not be interpreted as speaking against following Christ, so in my opinion, Galatians is by far the most misunderstood book in the Bible.

In addition, in Romans 15:4, Paul said that OT Scripture was written for our instruction, and in 15:18-19, he fulfilled the Gospel message by bringing Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, so Galatians should also not be interpreted as speaking against the Gospel that Paul taught. Moreover, in Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17, it speaks against those that do not obey the Gospel.

Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as those works as done to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, works can be done for any number of other reasons that are compatible with grace, which is why there are many verses that connect grace with works. For example, in Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faithfulness by setting Gods law before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he might know Him and Israel too, in 1 Kings 2:1-2, God taught how to walk in His way through His law, and in John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, which is again salvation by grace through faith. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way in obedience to His law and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to do these works it itself part of the content of His gift of salvation.

Refusing to trust in God when it comes to His law is not the way to be accepted by God.
 
In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20),
This is so.
so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message.
Not even close. The central part ( using you phrase ) is this:

There in Paul's words do we see exactly what the central part of the gospel message is~this good news sent down from heaven~those to whom the message is sent with with eyes to see and ears to hear are commanded to believe and repent and embrace this message of free grace~let it said, that only those to whom the Spirit of God first regenerates will hear, believe and repent!

Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6).
Christ indeed was the Lamb of God without spot or blemish, that was offered up for the sins of God's elect. No man can even live an hour, yea seconds without breaking God's law because we still live in a body of sin and death, yet we walk in/after the Spirit so that we do not live under the power of the old man, but the new man within us that was created after the image of Jesus Christ.

Galatians should not be interpreted as speaking against following Christ, so in my opinion, Galatians is by far the most misunderstood book in the Bible
Yes, you without question do not understand Galatians based upon what I'm reading in your post. No pun intended, just stating a fact.

Moreover, in Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17, it speaks against those that do not obey the Gospel.
We agreed no problem~yet we who have come to the knowledge of the truth come so by understanding Romans road of GRACE.
Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as those works as done to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, works can be done for any number of other reasons that are compatible with grace, which is why there are many verses that connect grace with works.
Agreed, yet no where does works enter into man's salvation from sin and condemnation ~ that salvation is a pure grace, without man's involvement whatsoever!

Refusing to trust in God when it comes to His law is not the way to be accepted by God.
God's elect do not refuse to trust him, what we refuse is works having any thing to do with the doctrine of election of grace.
 
Hobie, what you are saying in this quote is another gospel! Sinners do not get fed up with sinning~they love doing so! Not until one is born again do they desire to depart from sin and then serve God according to Romans 6.


No Hobie, that's your sect's gospel the SDA. The Spirit of God comes to God's elect and quickens them to life, by creating a new man within them, so that with that new man then do they seek God and labor to please him in all that they do.



Is what you are holding to, you and the SDA community. Your gospel really is a gospel of works, not pure grace. We teach that all who profess to believe in Jesus Christ to be careful about maintaining goods work.
Who is SDA?
 
Seventh Day Adventist
 
Seventh Day Adventist

Thanks

But why make it about ceremonial shadows that do nothing to the user as described in Hebrew 9?

Hebrews 9 :9 -10Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

I would think studying the substance of the shadows ...used in parables by it we can enter his 24/ 7 rest called today a Sabbath rest .

From my experience many try and change the non-time sensitive word (Sabbath meaning rest ) into one that is subject to time( shadow). God rested eternal on the 7th Its that eternal rest we enter not the shadow.
 
This is so.

Not even close. The central part ( using you phrase ) is this:

There in Paul's words do we see exactly what the central part of the gospel message is~this good news sent down from heaven~those to whom the message is sent with with eyes to see and ears to hear are commanded to believe and repent and embrace this message of free grace~let it said, that only those to whom the Spirit of God first regenerates will hear, believe and repent!
Repenting from our disobedience to God's law is a central part of the Gospel that Christ taught in Matthew 4:15-23 and 2 Corinthians 5:19-21 is not contrary to the Gospel that Christ taught, but rather it is in perfect accordance with not imputing our trespasses to us, being ambassadors for Christ, he who knew no sin being made sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him, and the message of free grace. Christ expressed the righteousness of God by walking in obedience to God's law and those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), so that is also the way that we walk when we have become the righteousness of God in Christ, which again is in perfect accordance with Gospel that Christ taught to repent for Kingdom of God is at hand.

Christ indeed was the Lamb of God without spot or blemish, that was offered up for the sins of God's elect. No man can even live an hour, yea seconds without breaking God's law because we still live in a body of sin and death, yet we walk in/after the Spirit so that we do not live under the power of the old man, but the new man within us that was created after the image of Jesus Christ.
Likewise, Galatians should not be interpreted as speaking against the new man within us that was created after the image of Christ.

Yes, you without question do not understand Galatians based upon what I'm reading in your post. No pun intended, just stating a fact.
By all mean, please discuss why you think that I have not understood Galatians. In my opinion, it is easily the most misunderstood book in the Bible.

We agreed no problem~yet we who have come to the knowledge of the truth come so by understanding Romans road of GRACE.
I quoted many verses that show that God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law. Likewise, in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so obedience to it is the way to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Agreed, yet no where does works enter into man's salvation from sin and condemnation ~ that salvation is a pure grace, without man's involvement whatsoever!
The content of a gift can itself be the experience of getting to do something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work does not detract from the fact that the opportunity to drive it was given to them purely as a gift. Similarly, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23).

So our salvation being pure grace does not mean that it is without man's involvement. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law(1 John 3:4), so while we do not need to have first obeyed God's law in order to earn our salvation as the result, getting to have the experience of living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically the content of the gift of him saving us from having the experience of not living in obedience to it.

God's elect do not refuse to trust him, what we refuse is works having any thing to do with the doctrine of election of grace.
God is trustworthy, therefore what He has instructed is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obediently trusting in what He has instructed, and it is contradictory to trust in God while not trusting in what He has instructed. In Proverbs 3:5-7, we have a choice between whether we are going to lean on our own understanding of right and wrong by doing what is right in our own eyes or trusting in God with all of our heart to correctly divide between right and wrong through obeying what He has instructed in all of our ways and He will make our way straight.
 
Thanks

But why make it about ceremonial shadows that do nothing to the user as described in Hebrew 9?

Hebrews 9 :9 -10Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

I would think studying the substance of the shadows ...used in parables by it we can enter his 24/ 7 rest called today a Sabbath rest .

From my experience many try and change the non-time sensitive word (Sabbath meaning rest ) into one that is subject to time( shadow). God rested eternal on the 7th Its that eternal rest we enter not the shadow.
That's what LEGALISM does ... and it appeals to the natural human desire to be in control. (If I am saved because I obey rules, then I maintain some control ... GRACE - unmerited favor - requires the surrender of 100% of all control to the God "who will show mercy on whom He will show mercy".)
 
Thanks

But why make it about ceremonial shadows that do nothing to the user as described in Hebrew 9?

Hebrews 9 :9 -10Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

I would think studying the substance of the shadows ...used in parables by it we can enter his 24/ 7 rest called today a Sabbath rest .

From my experience many try and change the non-time sensitive word (Sabbath meaning rest ) into one that is subject to time( shadow). God rested eternal on the 7th Its that eternal rest we enter not the shadow.
God's law is both perfect (Psalms 19:7) and makes nothing perfect (Hebrews 9:9) because it was never given as a way of becoming perfect, but rather it is God who makes us and obedience to His law is what that looks like. The time of the reformation refers to when there will be a new heaven and a new earth in Revelation 21.

Keeping the foreshadows is important because they testify about what is to come and we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come rather than a way that denies that truth.

In Hebrews 3:18-19, they did not enter into God's rest because of their disobedience/unbelief, in Ezekiel 20:13, it specifically mentions that they greatly profaned God's Sabbaths, and in Hebrews 4:9-11, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, we should rest from our work as God rested from His, and we should strive to enter into that rest so that no one may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so using entering into God's rest to justify the same sort of disobedience is exactly the opposite of what was being said.
 
Indeed, in Jude 1:4, the ungodly pervert God's grace into a license to sin.
Do the godly do that? Anyone who thinks salvation by grace through faith alone is a license to sin does not have saving faith. At conversion one is placed in Christ. Christ is the Vine, we are the branches. Can a good vine produce bad fruit? So even though one in Christ will sometimes sin because we still live in the world and therefore still wrestle with the world, the flesh, and the devil, sins are put to death one by one (in a manner of speaking.) We recognize sin and we hate it.
 
God's law is both perfect (Psalms 19:7) and makes nothing perfect (Hebrews 9:9) because it was never given as a way of becoming perfect, but rather it is God who makes us and obedience to His law is what that looks like. The time of the reformation refers to when there will be a new heaven and a new earth in Revelation 21.

Keeping the foreshadows is important because they testify about what is to come and we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come rather than a way that denies that truth.

In Hebrews 3:18-19, they did not enter into God's rest because of their disobedience/unbelief, in Ezekiel 20:13, it specifically mentions that they greatly profaned God's Sabbaths, and in Hebrews 4:9-11, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, we should rest from our work as God rested from His, and we should strive to enter into that rest so that no one may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so using entering into God's rest to justify the same sort of disobedience is exactly the opposite of what was being said.

Hi thanks for the reply. I would offer to make perfect is to make complete .The commandment is to be complete in him empowered by him we can .Without him we can do nothing . The point of mixing the two different laws is given in the Psalms 19 reference

two laws .The letter of the law God instrument of death and the unseen law of faith The just and the justifier as one new born agin law

I will red used to show the source of creative power (the let there be) and green to show it working as a labor love in us according to Philippians 2;12 to both reveal the truth of His will and secondly empower us to perform it to His god pleasure .the key is both the witness of God two

The description in the parable is the new creature her husband the strong man coming on the last day under the sun. . it's the end of time

Psalm 19 :5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

Psalm 19 :7-9 The law of the Lord is perfect, (doing the work) converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, (actively) making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

No mixing of the two . . .no new perfect law the law of liberty
 
Hi thanks for the reply. I would offer to make perfect is to make complete .The commandment is to be complete in him empowered by him we can .Without him we can do nothing . The point of mixing the two different laws is given in the Psalms 19 reference

two laws .The letter of the law God instrument of death and the unseen law of faith The just and the justifier as one new born agin law

I will red used to show the source of creative power (the let there be) and green to show it working as a labor love in us according to Philippians 2;12 to both reveal the truth of His will and secondly empower us to perform it to His god pleasure .the key is both the witness of God two

The description in the parable is the new creature her husband the strong man coming on the last day under the sun. . it's the end of time

Psalm 19 :5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

Psalm 19 :7-9 The law of the Lord is perfect, (doing the work) converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, (actively) making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

No mixing of the two . . .no new perfect law the law of liberty
Psalms as a whole never refer to "the letter of the law" or "a new born again law" and never speak about a law that leads to death, nor is there a law that they speak even slightly negatively about, but rather they contain universally high praise for the Mosaic Law, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, so if we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of the Mosaic Law, then we will share it, as Paul did (Romans 7:22).

It particular, Psalms 19 says nothing along the lines one law that leads to death and curse while this other new law leads to life and a blessing, but rather it speaks about the Mosaic Law and then describes the advantage of keeping it. In Palms 19:7, the Mosaic Law is perfect, in Psalms 119:45, it is law of liberty, and in Psalms 119:1-3, it blesses those who keep it, so when James 1:25 speaks about the perfect law of liberty that blesses those who obey it, he was not saying anything about the Mosaic Law that wasn't already said in the Psalms.

If correctly obeying what God has instructed leads to death, then that would mean that God is misleading us and should not be trusted to guide us, but the reality is that the Bible repeatedly says that obedience to it brings life and a blessing. For example, in Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! In Deuteronomy 32:46-47, the Mosaic Law is our very life. In Proverbs 3:18, it is a Tree of life for all who take hold of it. In Proverbs 6:23, for the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. In Matthew 19:17 and Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal life for those who obey him. In Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life, and so forth.
 
Do the godly do that? Anyone who thinks salvation by grace through faith alone is a license to sin does not have saving faith. At conversion one is placed in Christ. Christ is the Vine, we are the branches. Can a good vine produce bad fruit? So even though one in Christ will sometimes sin because we still live in the world and therefore still wrestle with the world, the flesh, and the devil, sins are put to death one by one (in a manner of speaking.) We recognize sin and we hate it.
I can't tell you how many people who have told me that we aren't under God's law, but are under grace. Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so they are perverting grace into a license to sin in spite of the fact that there are many verses that show that God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law (Psalms 119:29, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-14), so that is what it means to be under grace.
 
I can't tell you how many people who have told me that we aren't under God's law, but are under grace. Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so they are perverting grace into a license to sin in spite of the fact that there are many verses that show that God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law (Psalms 119:29, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-14), so that is what it means to be under grace.
Saints are not without law to God, the law of God is good, holy, and spiritual, per Romans 7. It is a rule to live by, no one is denying that truth.

You are wrong in your understanding about the scripture teachings on "on what it means to NOT be under the law". We are not under the law as a mean of earning eternal life, or having the assurance we will have eternal life in the world to come. God's elect are dead to the law through the body of Jesus Christ~dead in the sense of no condemnation to those that are in Christ. We were chosen in him before we ever done good or evil. We were in him while he lived in this world~he being the head, we being members of his elect body. What he did, was as though his members did the same! When he died, we died with him. When he arose we arose with him. Where he now sits we sit with him in a legal sense before the law of God. Now, if you desire scriptures for every statement I just made , then no problem let us discuss this subject.

For reading: Romans 6:6-8:2; 9:9-24; Ephesians 2:4-9, etc.
 
I can't tell you how many people who have told me that we aren't under God's law, but are under grace. Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so they are perverting grace into a license to sin in spite of the fact that there are many verses that show that God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law (Psalms 119:29, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-14), so that is what it means to be under grace.
But Christ has obeyed the Law for many, and because of that, they are made righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The word righteous here dikaios:


righteous, observing divine laws

  1. in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

Christ is the end of the Law for all who believe Rom 10:4

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

So everyone Christ has honored, kept, obeyed the law in behalf of, they will be given the Gift of Faith to believe in Him for that Rom 8:2-4


2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

To walk after the Spirit is to walk by Faith, Believing in Christ. We aren't under the Law but under Grace.
 
Saints are not without law to God, the law of God is good, holy, and spiritual, per Romans 7. It is a rule to live by, no one is denying that truth.

You are wrong in your understanding about the scripture teachings on "on what it means to NOT be under the law". We are not under the law as a mean of earning eternal life, or having the assurance we will have eternal life in the world to come. God's elect are dead to the law through the body of Jesus Christ~dead in the sense of no condemnation to those that are in Christ. We were chosen in him before we ever done good or evil. We were in him while he lived in this world~he being the head, we being members of his elect body. What he did, was as though his members did the same! When he died, we died with him. When he arose we arose with him. Where he now sits we sit with him in a legal sense before the law of God. Now, if you desire scriptures for every statement I just made , then no problem let us discuss this subject.

For reading: Romans 6:6-8:2; 9:9-24; Ephesians 2:4-9, etc.
There are many verses that make it abundantly clear that eternal life requires us to choose to be a doer of the law, though I agree that the we are not required to have obeyed it first in order to result in earning it as a wage. For example, in Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that obedience to the greatest to commandments is the way to inherit eternal life (an inheritance is not something that is earned as a wage). In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed God's commandments are give the right to eat from the Tree of Life. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, no longer presenting ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin is contrasted with now presenting ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so the experience of getting to live in obedience to God's law is the content of His gift of eternal life. In other words, the gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing God and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience through acting in accordance with His nature (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), not for how to earn a wage.

While I agree that we are not under the law, Paul spoke about categories of law other than than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was referring to us as not being under, especially because interpreting Romans 6:14-15 as referring to the Law of God is giving us a license to sin and would be contrary to what other verses say about being under grace. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contested the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death. Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, which is a law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us (Romans 7:12), but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. Furthermore, Paul said that being under grace did to mean that we are permitted to sin, and sin is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4), so we are still under it and obligated to obey it. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law and God and against sin, such as Romans 6:19-23.

In Romans 7:12-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted that with the law of sin that held him captive, which was causing him not to do the good of obeying the Law of God that he wanted to do. In Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful, but how we know what sin is, and when the Law of God reveals our sin, then that leads us to repeat and causes sin to decrease. However, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is sinful and causes sin to increase. So if a verses refers to a law that would be absurd for Paul to delight in doing it, then it should not be interpreted as referring to the Law of God, and if it refers to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God, then it should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin. For example, in Romans 5:20, Paul referred to a law that came to cause sin to increase and it would be absurd to think that Paul delighted in causing sin to increase, but rather that it is the law of sin that does that. Likewise, in Romans 7:6, it refers to being freed from a law that held us captive, and in 7:23, it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive. The same is true for verses like Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56.

So we need to be careful to die to the right law. In Romans 7:25-8:2, the fact that there is now therefore now condemnation fro those who are in Christ is connected with the Law of the Spirit of Life setting us free from the law of sin and death, not the Law of God. Furthermore, in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so those who are not following Christ's example of obedience to the Law of God should not consider verses that refer to those who are in Christ to be referring to them. In addition, in Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.
 
But Christ has obeyed the Law for many, and because of that, they are made righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The word righteous here dikaios:


righteous, observing divine laws

  1. in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God
Roman 5:19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

The above verses notably does not say that Christ obeyed the law for many, but that many will be made righteous because of one man's obedience. Being made into someone who is righteous means being made into someone who practices righteousness in obedience to God's law in accordance with the definition that you listed. While we are made righteous through faith apart from being required to have first practiced righteousness for a certain amount as if it would be earned as a wage, it would be contradictory to become righteous apart from becoming someone who practices righteousness.

Christ is the end of the Law for all who believe Rom 10:4

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he might know Him and Israel too, and Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is eternal life (John 17:3).

In Romans 9:30-10:4, they had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursing the law as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God rose him from the dead (Titus 2:14). So nothing in this passage has anything to do with Jesus ending God's law, but just the opposite.

So everyone Christ has honored, kept, obeyed the law in behalf of, they will be given the Gift of Faith to believe in Him for that Rom 8:2-4


2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law of God, so its righteous requirement is fulfilled in us who walk after the Sprit because the Spirit leads us to obey it. Furthermore, in Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

To walk after the Spirit is to walk by Faith, Believing in Christ. We aren't under the Law but under Grace.
So to walk after the Spirit means to walk in obedience to the Law of God, which is also the way to walk by faith and believe in Christ because Christ said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law of God (Matthew 23:23). So while we aren't under the law of sin when we are under grace, we are nevertheless still under the Law of God (Psalms 119:29, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-14).
 
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