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The False Gospel of Grace...

While God commanded priests to rest on the Sabbath, God also commanded priests to make offerings on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do, but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater command from being obeyed. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who do their duties on the Sabbath are held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why Jesus defended his disciples as being innocent. Even during the Sabbath year, people were permitted to eat from what grew from the ground. This is also why it is lawful to circumcise a baby on the 8th day if it happens to fall on the Sabbath or why it is lawful to get an ox or a child out of a ditch on the Sabbath. So not all forms of work are intended to be understood as being prohibited by the Sabbath. Likewise, people are permitted to cary things on the Sabbath within an eruv, so it is not correct to think that Jesus was teaching people to sin by not obeying the Sabbath.
Of course Jesus didn't violate the spirit of the sabbath-day law.

He violated the letter; in that He did work, and commanded someone to do work, on the sabbath.

Exo 20:10, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
 
John was not speaking in his own estimation, but simply stated the reasons that the Pharisees had for wanting to kill Jesus without saying anything about whether he agreed with them. There is room for two people who both agree that followers of God should obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy to disagree about whether doing something is permitted on the Sabbath or breaking it. For example, Jesus could have quoted Rabbi Yehuda as saying that we are permitted to use our hands to crush heads of wheat on the Sabbath as long as we don't use a too, so while some Pharisees thought doing that was breaking the Sabbath (most likely from the house of Shammai), others did not.
No, John 5:18 is the writing of the author of the gospel of John under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Jhn 5:16, And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.
Jhn 5:18, This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.


Was Jesus calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God? Then He was breaking the sabbath.

This was not only the estimation of the scribes and Pharisees, it was the estimation of John under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
 
Nope. With a change in priesthood came a change in law (Hebrews 7:12). Jesus came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life. He is even the Lord of the sabbath.

Technically, He worked on the sabbath (John 5:16-18); and that is a violation of the letter (Exodus 20:10).

He did not violate the spirit of what is written; and therefore did not sin.
Yes its Blasphemy, the very fact you said He disobeyed !
 
I have a suggestion. Stop making your posts about you and try making them about God. In fact all false doctrine and false claims of infallibility in a person, all come from a bad theology, or no theology. Theology: the study of God. Not anthropology: the study of man.

And stop doing as the Catholic church does for itself: setting yourself up as the authority on the interpretation of scripture. It actually destroys any credibility in what they say.

Was that maybe because you refused the correction? And still refuse it? It should have broken you before God to learn humility, not cause you to claim the messenger broke you. Maybe by the end of that previous year, God needed to set your feet back on a level path, because as He says, pride goeth before a fall. Those who think they already know everything and that they cannot be wrong, learn nothing. The Bible says that too.

But why is it others must be so careful with you in what they say, and you can accuse them of all sorts of dammable things simply because they disagree with you?

Your statements are offensive.What has that to do with there being an offense in the cross of Jesus and what do you think that is? What does Paul say it is in Gal 5?

The answer: preaching circumcision of the flesh is necessary for salvation. IOW the insufficiency of Christ. You would do better to cut a straight furrow with the word of God,assuring a consistency of its truth, rather than looking at random scriptures as being about you.

Who is doing either of those things?

Translators are not teachers. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

So you HAVE determined that I am walking down the broad path. Is that because I don't believe the KJV is the only accurate translation? Or is it because I do not accept your interpretations of scriptures as infallible and inerrant?

Should I discount what the scriptures say and go instead with what you say. Or can the following scriptures be trusted?

John 6:47 Truly, truly I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of GOd, that you believe in HIm whom He has sent."
John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in me will never thirst."
John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
You are taking a tone with me that I do not like. Therefore it is my decision to discontinue conversing with you.
 
You are taking a tone with me that I do not like. Therefore it is my decision to discontinue conversing with you.
One cannot determine tone without hearing the voice and seeing the person. All other tone is assumed and most likely based on something that has nothing to do with tone.You don't like what I say, can't adequately address it, so you call it tone and cast the blame onto me. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.
 
Nope to both things.

Christ Jesus is God; but I am not blaspheming Him unless John was blaspheming Him in John 5:16-18.
Yes to both things, you are saying Christ who is God sinned, disobeyed God, that's Blasphemy. John never said Jesus disobeyed the Law, he wrote what the reprobate jews thought and said. In reality Christ didnt disobey any part of the Sabbath, internally or externally, all He did was perform an act of Mercy upon one of His Creatures, Jesus explained that . Those reprobate jews took things out of context and you have followed their wickedness.
 
Yes to both things, you are saying Christ who is God sinned, disobeyed God, that's Blasphemy. John never said Jesus disobeyed the Law, he wrote what the reprobate jews thought and said. In reality Christ didnt disobey any part of the Sabbath, internally or externally, all He did was perform an act of Mercy upon one of His Creatures, Jesus explained that . Those reprobate jews took things out of context and you have followed their wickedness.
Jesus came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life. He is the Lord of the sabbath.

With a change in priesthood there was also a change of the law.

You can find all of these truths in Hebrews 7.

Jesus changed the law from being of the letter to being of the spirit (Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

He Himself did not violate the spirit of the law even though He technically violated the letter.

Exo 20:10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Jhn 5:16, And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jhn 5:18, Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.


Jesus is our sabbath rest. And, He was always at rest, even when He was working. Thus, the sabbath is fulfilled in Him.

And He is also "Lord of the sabbath".

He also said that "the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath...therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

This was a change in law from what is written in Exodus 20:10...

Which tells us that it is a sin to do any work on the sabbath day.

Jesus brought us from the letter to the spirit of the law (again, Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

Consider.

Mat 11:28, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30, For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


I think that you should be able to see that Jesus is now our sabbath rest and the fulfillment of commandment #4.
 
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John never said Jesus disobeyed the Law, he wrote what the reprobate jews thought and said.
So, it was also their inaccurate estimation that He said that God was His Father; making Himself equal with God?

I believe that you have almost unwittingly disarmed one of the main passages that can be used to affirm the Deity of Christ.
 
Jesus came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life. He is the Lord of the sabbath.

With a change in priesthood there was also a change of the law.

You can find all of these truths in Hebrews 7.

Jesus changed the law from being of the letter to being of the spirit (Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

He Himself did not violate the spirit of the law even though He technically violated the letter.

Exo 20:10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Jhn 5:16, And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jhn 5:18, Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.


Jesus is our sabbath rest. And, He was always at rest, even when He was working. Thus, the sabbath is fulfilled in Him.

And He is also "Lord of the sabbath".

He also said that "the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath...therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

This was a change in law from what is written in Exodus 20:10...

Which tells us that it is a sin to do any work on the sabbath day.

Jesus brought us from the letter to the spirit of the law (again, Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

Consider.

Mat 11:28, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30, For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


I think that you should be able to see that Jesus is now our sabbath rest and the fulfillment of commandment #4.
You need to repent from your blasphemy, may Christ grant you repentance.
 
So, it was also their inaccurate estimation that He said that God was His Father; making Himself equal with God?

I believe that you have almost unwittingly disarmed one of the main passages that can be used to affirm the Deity of Christ.
Again, may God grant you repentance from blasphemy against Christ.
 
However, by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified (Romans 3:20). That, and the idea that the doers of the law shall be justified, if you combine the two concepts, indicates that no one is a doer of the law.
While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was justified (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that Abraham believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was justified was also practiced as being an obeyer of God, but he did not earn his justification as the result of his obedience (Romans 4:1-5). So it is both the case that Abraham was a doer of the law and that he was someone who will be justified, but he was not required to have first obeyed God's law in order to become justified.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey, in Romans 10:5-8, it cited that passage as the word of faith that we proclaim, and in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep his commandments. Furthermore there are many examples of people in the Bible who are doers of the law, such as in John 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14, so it is not the case that no one is a doer of the law.

The sabbath isn't a commandment in the law?
The Sabbath is a command of the Mosaic Law, but that is not what Hebrews 7:12 is referring to.

No, John 5:18 is the writing of the author of the gospel of John under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Jhn 5:16, And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.
Jhn 5:18, This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.


Was Jesus calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God? Then He was breaking the sabbath.

This was not only the estimation of the scribes and Pharisees, it was the estimation of John under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
I don't question that John was writing under the inspiration of the Spirit. He accurately stated the reasons why the Pharisees had for wanting to kill Jesus, but did not state that their reasons were correct. Jesus was making himself equal with God, but the Pharisees were incorrect for wanting to kill him for saying that, and they were incorrect for thinking that Jesus had broken the Sabbath. John was not denying that Jesus is our Savior and was not saying that the Pharisees were correct in wanting to kill Jesus.
 
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Jesus came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life. He is the Lord of the sabbath.

With a change in priesthood there was also a change of the law.

You can find all of these truths in Hebrews 7.

Jesus changed the law from being of the letter to being of the spirit (Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

He Himself did not violate the spirit of the law even though He technically violated the letter.

Exo 20:10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Jhn 5:16, And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jhn 5:18, Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.


Jesus is our sabbath rest. And, He was always at rest, even when He was working. Thus, the sabbath is fulfilled in Him.

And He is also "Lord of the sabbath".

He also said that "the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath...therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

This was a change in law from what is written in Exodus 20:10...

Which tells us that it is a sin to do any work on the sabbath day.

Jesus brought us from the letter to the spirit of the law (again, Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

Consider.

Mat 11:28, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30, For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


I think that you should be able to see that Jesus is now our sabbath rest and the fulfillment of commandment #4.
@brightfame52, read the above post again and see if it does not preach what I am saying to you.

You say that I am blaspheming Christ; yet you are the very same person who will not say whether or not you have received Christ.

The irony...
 
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