The Called !

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry if it seems that way. A mixture is needed to make the whole testimony of God. No mixing no gospel

Note.... beleivers who do mix. And non believers those who do not mix, The temporal historical literal must be mixed with the unseen eternal things of God's faith. . or labor of love. . . . hid in parables

Hebrews 4King James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

I would suggest the use of the interpreting law thatI call the 20/20 prescription a mix needed to rightly divide the parables therefore by which we can enter the eternal rest

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Valuable study tool. I would suggest write the mix on ones forehead .

There you have it. Mixing things up. Sounds convoluted.

 

[grace2]

How about showing scripture of Jesus saying that so I can see how you are misapplying what He meant in the context of that message by His grace & by His help?

Keeping Jesus' commandments are requirement for salvation.

He are the verses to support my claim:
Matthew 22:36-40King James Version (KJV)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

1. John 14:15
◦New King James Version
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

2. John 14:21
◦New King James Version
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

3. John 15:10
◦New King James Version
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

4. 1 John 2:3
◦New King James Version
The Test of Knowing Him ] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

5. 1 John 2:4
◦New King James Version
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

6. 1 John 3:22
◦New King James Version
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

7. 1 John 3:24
◦New King James Version
The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error ] Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

8. 1 John 5:2
◦New King James Version
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

9. 1 John 5:3
◦New King James Version
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

10. Revelation 12:17
◦New King James Version
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

11. Revelation 14:12
◦New King James Version
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


And here is confirmation from Jesus of keeping Ten commandments as requirement.

Matthew 19:16-19
New International Version (NIV)
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’

 

[jeremiah1five]

There will be no rapture. The Gentile Church will go through the Time of Jacob's Trouble along with Israel.
Personally, I believe the Gentile Church will align with the Gentile nations against Israel once the Times of the Gentiles ends abruptly and they realized God used them without covenant just to make Israel jealous.
No one likes to be used. And when God turns His attention back to Israel, sends two witnesses, removes their blindness, and does so in like manner when He destroyed their Temple Israel was like, "Where are you, Lord! Don't you care that we perish!" as their boat without a rudder on the raging sea fills with water.

 

[Mr GLee]

There you have it. Mixing things up. Sounds convoluted.

That's the usual response to those who do not seek after the unseen spiritual understanding of parable which without Christ spoke not . Literalizing using the historical fleshly alone only causes confusion having nothing to mix.

Hebrews 4King James Version4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

​

What's you take on the mix .Mix faith the unseen power of God with what what? The temporal dying ?

 

[Mr GLee]

When Christ returns He's going to honor and keep His covenant with Israel. There are still many promises to be kept and through covenant and in accordance with prophecies God will elevate Himself as King of the Jews and elevate His people to whom He is betrothed and to whom He died

Christ the anointing Holy Spirit is here working in the hearts of sons of God.If you are waiting for the Son of man Jesus , His dying flesh which he informed us profits for zero has long returned to the dust from where it came form .

No signs pertaining to the flesh of a Jew are given to wonder after no prophecy that has not been fulfilled he will leave like a thief in the night on the last day. The one time promised demonstration of the power of the Father was all that was propmised Some did know Christ who worked in them .God is not a man

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, (Jesus the son of man) yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Learn what it mean to walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God who is not a man as the Jewish King of kings That abomination of desolation what made desolate when Jesus wailed out for the last time in Mathew 23

It was never about the flesh of a Jew .he could of used any nation to show his power he used a Ass to represent a unbeliever ,He is not served by the hands of dying mankind of any nation. When the veil was rent there was no king of Jews(King of kings) sitting in the holy of holies as recorded in Revelation 20.

Revelation 20 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[ChristB4us]

Keeping Jesus' commandments are requirement for salvation.

He are the verses to support my claim:
Matthew 22:36-40King James Version (KJV)

Per the reference you had made in regards to Matthew 22:36-40, that was a Jew asking Jesus about the greatest commandment in the law. That Jew was not asking Jesus Christ about how to be saved. There is no direct connection between that question and your application.

However, if you had referred to this scriptural reference when Jesus did say the laws of the Old Covenant was about obtaining salvation, you may think you have a case but you should consider the end result about salvation to be obtained under the law.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Now what was the end result of that rich man in keeping the law?

What is the significance of His disciples asking who can be saved, if not by the keeping of the law which that rich man did?

Did Jesus say that it is impossible for men to be saved by the law and so only God can save them instead?

Anyway, this scripture is more in line with your personal belief, BUT Jesus defers from anyone trying to save themselves by the laws of the Old Covenant to what the New Covenant is about, believing Jesus Christ as God the Saviour will save them and He put His laws in our hearts to follow Him when we trust Him to do His work in us.

John 14:15-16 is about salvation as those commandments He repeats over and over again from verse 1 is for that end in how anyone gets the Holy Spirit. This is not about all the other commandments regarding discipleship for abiding in Him and following Him which we are to not look to ourselves to do by doing the best we can, but by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him for we can do nothing without Him. See verse 5 in John 15:1-11 KJV and see verse 8 that this is about abiding in Him as His disciples in bearing fruit; not for obtaining salvation. See verse 6 for the consequence for saved believers not to abide in Him & His words as His disciples is to be left behind for when He sends that fire on the earth after the pre great tribulation rapture event. Luke 12:40-49 KJV

All your other references in the Book of 1 John was about discipleship for believers to know who is abiding in Him from those that are not. 1 John 1:3-10 sets the basis for why John was writing this epistle.

And then look at the two new greatest commandments in 1 John 3:23 under the new Covenant now.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The question you need to ask yourself is.. what is the New Covenant about for why the Old Covenant and the laws under them are vain?

I'd say the Old Covenant was man's turn to do the best he can in making himself good and to obtain salvation, but failing that, it is now God's turn under the New Covenant and all he asks from you is to believe in Jesus Christ that He has saved you & He will help you to follow Him as He will finish His work in you to His glory. Your hope should not be in the law but in Jesus Christ now.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So ask yourself what do you hope in Jesus Christ for?

If you cannot answer that, then you may see the difference between putting hope in yourself in keeping the law or even His commandments when they are higher than the works of the law for why your hope should be on Jesus Christ for all things.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[grace2]

Per the reference you had made in regards to Matthew 22:36-40, that was a Jew asking Jesus about the greatest commandment in the law. That Jew was not asking Jesus Christ about how to be saved. There is no direct connection between that question and your application.

However, if you had referred to this scriptural reference when Jesus did say the laws of the Old Covenant was about obtaining salvation, you may think you have a case but you should consider the end result about salvation to be obtained under the law.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Now what was the end result of that rich man in keeping the law?

What is the significance of His disciples asking who can be saved, if not by the keeping of the law which that rich man did?

Did Jesus say that it is impossible for men to be saved by the law and so only God can save them instead?

Anyway, this scripture is more in line with your personal belief, BUT Jesus defers from anyone trying to save themselves by the laws of the Old Covenant to what the New Covenant is about, believing Jesus Christ as God the Saviour will save them and He put His laws in our hearts to follow Him when we trust Him to do His work in us.

John 14:15-16 is about salvation as those commandments He repeats over and over again from verse 1 is for that end in how anyone gets the Holy Spirit. This is not about all the other commandments regarding discipleship for abiding in Him and following Him which we are to not look to ourselves to do by doing the best we can, but by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him for we can do nothing without Him. See verse 5 in John 15:1-11 KJV and see verse 8 that this is about abiding in Him as His disciples in bearing fruit; not for obtaining salvation. See verse 6 for the consequence for saved believers not to abide in Him & His words as His disciples is to be left behind for when He sends that fire on the earth after the pre great tribulation rapture event. Luke 12:40-49 KJV

All your other references in the Book of 1 John was about discipleship for believers to know who is abiding in Him from those that are not. 1 John 1:3-10 sets the basis for why John was writing this epistle.

And then look at the two new greatest commandments in 1 John 3:23 under the new Covenant now.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The question you need to ask yourself is.. what is the New Covenant about for why the Old Covenant and the laws under them are vain?

I'd say the Old Covenant was man's turn to do the best he can in making himself good and to obtain salvation, but failing that, it is now God's turn under the New Covenant and all he asks from you is to believe in Jesus Christ that He has saved you & He will help you to follow Him as He will finish His work in you to His glory. Your hope should not be in the law but in Jesus Christ now.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So ask yourself what do you hope in Jesus Christ for?

If you cannot answer that, then you may see the difference between putting hope in yourself in keeping the law or even His commandments when they are higher than the works of the law for why your hope should be on Jesus Christ for all things.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Lengthy post but there is nothing that says your work cannot save you.

 

[ChristB4us]

Lengthy post but there is nothing that says your work cannot save you.

Scripture does say that works can rob you of your rest in Jesus Christ when you are already saved. It is the same as laboring in unbelief.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Scripture does say that works that denies Him as your Saviour can disqualify you from being chosen of those that are called for why he is denying them.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

There is no way you can run that race unless you are saved already.

It is by Jesus Christ in us, is the power we have in looking to Him to run that race to help us lay aside every weight & sin.

By the grace of God and by faith in Jesus Christ as our Saviour, we are saved and so by the grace of God and our faith in Him as our Good shepherd is how we can follow Him.

What do you hope in Jesus Christ for? What are you going to thank Him in Heaven for?

 

[grace2]

Scripture does say that works can rob you of your rest in Jesus Christ when you are already saved.

Reference?

 

[ChristB4us]

Reference?

Gave it. Explain what Paul is talking about then if you do not see it. I'll give the full message and the you tell me what that means.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[brightfame52]

The called are first saved !


The Call of the Gospel is not to lost souls, but to souls that have been saved, and because they have been saved or are being saved, that is why they are called 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Notice Paul wrote who Saved us, then and Called us with an Holy Calling ! The Gospel does not call lost and unholy sinners to Faith and fellowship in Christ !

One is not called in order to get saved, but one is Called because they have been saved and are being saved.

When the Gospel is preached to the called 1 Cor 1:23-24

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

In the greek its to them the called, with the definite article, distinguishing them from the rest of mankind,

when they are being Called, they are being saved Vs 18 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

So the ones being saved here in Vs 18 are synomonous to the ones being Called in Vs 24, they're the being saved and being called !

In Vs 18 they are being Saved by the Gospel as the Power of God See also Rom 1:16 !

They are being saved and called out of darkness into the Marvelous Light of the Gospel 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light [of the Gospel];

They are called out of the darkness of false religion and gospels, into the light of the saving knowledge of the Gospel !

Note: A saving knowledge of Salvation is to be informed of ones Salvation Lk 1:77 !

Thats a Saving also, that is to be sovereignly called out of the darkness and error of Antichrist religion Rev 18:4 into the Glorious Light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ! 8

 

[Mr GLee]

The called are first saved !


The Call of the Gospel is not to lost souls, but to souls that have been saved, and because they have been saved or are being saved, that is why they are called 2 Tim 1:9

The call of those lost is the call that saves.

Called unto salvation .

 

[grace2]

Gave it. Explain what Paul is talking about then if you do not see it.

It is you who need to explain why you can dismiss all Jesus' word and misapplying Paul's word.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The called are first saved !
The Call of the Gospel is not to lost souls, but to souls that have been saved, and because they have been saved or are being saved, that is why they are called 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It should be noted the "holy calling" comes first and then salvation. "How shall they hear without a "herald"? (Rom. 10.)

Notice Paul wrote who Saved us, then and Called us with an Holy Calling ! The Gospel does not call lost and unholy sinners to Faith and fellowship in Christ !

He sure doesn't call 'found and holy saints" to faith, does He? At least from our perspective in time.

One is not called in order to get saved, but one is Called because they have been saved and are being saved.
When the Gospel is preached to the called 1 Cor 1:23-24
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
In the greek its to them the called, with the definite article, distinguishing them from the rest of mankind,
when they are being Called, they are being saved Vs 18 1 Cor 1:18

It's instantaneous. But there is a theology of an ordo salutis:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom. 8:28–30.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

More like "have been saved."

So the ones being saved here in Vs 18 are synomonous to the ones being Called in Vs 24, they're the being saved and being called !

I don't think it can be referred to as "called/calling" with the result going forward as in many calls. God calls once and people respond - those He's enabled to respond. The same with Jesus. He 'called' His disciples to "follow me" and a couple recorded instances they "immediately left their nets." Or the call to "follow me" can take some time, but the command has been given and "In His time" they will come, just as in the rich young ruler:

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Mt 19:21.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. Mk 10:21.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. Lk 18:22.

The young ruler went away sad, but the command was given, and it took a moment to sell all he had and return to "come, follow me."

Calling preceded salvation.

In Vs 18 they are being Saved by the Gospel as the Power of God See also Rom 1:16 !
They are being saved and called out of darkness into the Marvelous Light of the Gospel 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light [of the Gospel];
They are called out of the darkness of false religion and gospels, into the light of the saving knowledge of the Gospel !
Note: A saving knowledge of Salvation is to be informed of ones Salvation Lk 1:77 !
Thats a Saving also, that is to be sovereignly called out of the darkness and error of Antichrist religion Rev 18:4 into the Glorious Light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ! 8

 

[ChristB4us]

It is you who need to explain why you can dismiss all Jesus' word and misapplying Paul's word.

Kind of hard to take you seriously now when you had asked for that reference and I had given it to you to address what Paul was talking about.

Scripture does say that works can rob you of your rest in Jesus Christ when you are already saved.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

If you do not believe that was what Paul was saying, then you explain his message. I already have given you my understanding of his message.

 

[grace2]

Kind of hard to take you seriously now when you had asked for that reference and I had given it to you to address what Paul was talking about.

Scripture does say that works can rob you of your rest in Jesus Christ when you are already saved.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

If you do not believe that was what Paul was saying, then you explain his message. I already have given you my understanding of his message.

You are just repeating yourself with your own interpretation, dismissing all of Jesus' word.

Your doctrines are so not harmonize with Jesus' core teachings.

 

[Mr GLee]

Lengthy post but there is nothing that says your work cannot save you.

I would offer. .

We are saved by Christ powerful works, called a labor of love or work of His Faith . (the law of faith ) The Faithful Creator declaring" let there be and by the work . . the testimony of things seen "God good" .

Christ Holy Spirit working in us to "both". I emphasizes "both" hear his will and enable us to believe it was not of one own self . Jesus empowered by the Father the Son of man jesus did it with delight .Others like Jonah the murmurer did it with contempt and wanted to die knowing God would empower another nation empowering them also to believe .

Philipian 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings

Some unlike Jonah a born again believer who kicked against the pricks as warning thorns. Others were given a promise from God that he is not unrighteous and forget the good work he works in us as a labor of His love. therefore that we empowered by the father can do it to his pleasure yoked with the power of His name our burdens are lighter he gives us rest (sabbath)

Hebrew 6:8-10 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

Faith is a work both to will working together The law and its testimony The mark of God's word "let there be and it was God good". What God says comes to pass,

 

[ChristB4us]

You are just repeating yourself with your own interpretation, dismissing all of Jesus' word.

Not really. You are refusing to address the scripture I have shared with you by showing the right interpretation if you really believe I am wrong.

Since scripture cannot go against scripture is why you should reconsider how you are applying His words to mean.

Your doctrines are so not harmonize with Jesus' core teachings.

Okay then; here is a conundrum for you to read, using Jesus's own words.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

How can your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees in order to enter into that kingdom of heaven per verse 20 and yet if you break even the least of His commandments, you are called least in that kingdom of heaven but yet still in that kingdom of heaven in verse 19?

Hint; His righteousness apart from the law is gained by believing in Jesus Christ of what Christ did on the cross per verses 17-18 with 20.

So is verses 19 testifying to how a believer lives after salvation for how they shall be judged in that kingdom of heaven?

So is verse 20 testifying how it is His righteousness apart from the law, is how we enter in?

How do you align Matthew 5:17-20 with what you believe is Jesus's core teachings to be?

Anyway, this is how I see "the called" as the least in the kingdom of heaven that breaks any of His commandments, for why they get left behind, and the great are those that keeps His commandments to attend the Marriage Supper in that kingdom of heaven as the chosen which they can only do by His grace & by His help as their hope is on Him to finish that race to His glory as their confidence is in Him to finish also.

 

[Mr GLee]

It should be noted the "holy calling" comes first and then salvation. "How shall they hear without a "herald"? (Rom. 10.)

Yes and how could they believe by hearing the prophecy

We who have no power living in dying earthen body to arise or resurrect.

By the power of the call "Lazarus rise and shine."

The call is not without power his flesh profited for nothing

Words of Power

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[grace2]

Not really. You are refusing to address the scripture I have shared with you by showing the right interpretation if you really believe I am wrong.

It is wasting my time to address what is void of Jesus' basic principles.

You guys are making simple salvation so complicated. It is so juvenile, friend.

Salvation is based on what Jesus claims.

Jesus is the Lord.